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[kyliethicc]

My friend told my that Zenimax being bought by MS was kept secret, and Sony probably didn't know before us. God imagine those talks. They wanted to buy Starfield exclusivity and MS bought whole company right in front of them. I really think that wise people (not Jim) has now reevaluating strategy. Xbox has been greenlighted to waste huge amount of money just to look more pro consumer with free "smart delivery" - its free even if its only higher fps and resolutions ( spiderman remaster is much more than that thats why you need to pay for it ).

In short term own PS mistakes has more impact than Zenimax being taken by MS. But clearly zenimax was important part of 3party Sony strategy - we are getting two timed exclusives from them and they wanted to secure Starfield.

So MS really will keep PS in check this generation. And that's good for us. Worst case scenario we would also buy XSX in 2023. But strong competition will make Sony better for free.

Who's your friend?

 

[Zero707]

Xbox Series S price reduced in japan

 

[DeadOblivion78]

My friend told my that Zenimax being bought by MS was kept secret, and Sony probably didn't know before us. God imagine those talks. They wanted to buy Starfield exclusivity and MS bought whole company right in front of them. I really think that wise people (not Jim) has now reevaluating strategy. Xbox has been greenlighted to waste huge amount of money just to look more pro consumer with free "smart delivery" - its free even if its only higher fps and resolutions ( spiderman remaster is much more than that thats why you need to pay for it ).

In short term own PS mistakes has more impact than Zenimax being taken by MS. But clearly zenimax was important part of 3party Sony strategy - we are getting two timed exclusives from them and they wanted to secure Starfield.

So MS really will keep PS in check this generation. And that's good for us. Worst case scenario we would also buy XSX in 2023. But strong competition will make Sony better for free.

I don’t subscribe in the philosophy that consolidation is competition. All it does is green light the purchasing of publishers.

 

[Zero707]

Xbox Series S price reduced in japan

Now we wait for Sega annoucemnt...... (jk)

 

[zaitsu]

Who's your friend?

Market analyst, nothing fancy and witwhout any connection to both parties. But they know they rumors when it comes to something like this. And he said it was dead silence. I think MS did is intentionally as low profile as it gets.

 

[LiquidRex]

Microsoft’s Xbox Series X 1TB expandable storage priced at $219.99

Next-gen console storage isn’t going to be cheap

www.theverge.com

So it's official

 

[Rea]

Cool. The point is any game Sony publishes is 1st party. They treat them all the same. Doesn't matter if its God of War or Bloodborne. Both are Sony 1st party games. They just don't own From Software. But they own Bloodborne, same as God of War.

Thats why you'll see PlayStation Studios logo for all games Sony publishes. They're all 1st party PS5 games.

Sony will use the PS Studios logo on all 1st party PS5 games as a seal of quality, building brand trust with buyers. Doesn't matter if its Destruction Allstars, Demon's Souls, or Miles Morales. All the same logo on the box. They don't want to communicate to buyers "we own or don't own this developer" they want to communicate to the buyer "this is a PlayStation game." Thats the point of the logo, the branding, and the idea of 1st party vs 3rd party.

If you use the term 2nd party, I obviously understand what you mean, but its a distinction without a difference for how the game is treated and made, really.
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Agree and understand that Logo represent the entire PlayStation studios and assured their customers that the game has top notch quality and it is controlled, supported and supervised by the internal studios. That's why Demon souls has involvement of japan Studios, 3rd party dev blue point is hired by the sony and it's under supervision and support of japan studio.

 

[Zoro7]

Microsoft’s Xbox Series X 1TB expandable storage priced at $219.99

Next-gen console storage isn’t going to be cheap

www.theverge.com

So it's official

Could have saved people around $70 if they didn't go down this route and just let people buy their own.

 

[Rea]

My friend told my that Zenimax being bought by MS was kept secret, and Sony probably didn't know before us. God imagine those talks. They wanted to buy Starfield exclusivity and MS bought whole company right in front of them. I really think that wise people (not Jim) has now reevaluating strategy. Xbox has been greenlighted to waste huge amount of money just to look more pro consumer with free "smart delivery" - its free even if its only higher fps and resolutions ( spiderman remaster is much more than that thats why you need to pay for it ).

In short term own PS mistakes has more impact than Zenimax being taken by MS. But clearly zenimax was important part of 3party Sony strategy - we are getting two timed exclusives from them and they wanted to secure Starfield.

So MS really will keep PS in check this generation. And that's good for us. Worst case scenario we would also buy XSX in 2023. But strong competition will make Sony better for free.

Competition is good for consumers but monopolizing is bad. Making exclusives games for their hardware is good Competition but buy out the whole 3rd party publisher is just bad for the industry and consumers.

 

[chilichote]

Okay, you already guessed it, but the Series S is still available on Amazon DE^^

Xbox Series S 512GB: Amazon.de: Games

Xbox Series S 512GB - Kostenloser Versand ab 29€. Jetzt bei Amazon.de bestellen!

www.amazon.de

 

[marvifrom]

Microsoft’s Xbox Series X 1TB expandable storage priced at $219.99

Next-gen console storage isn’t going to be cheap

www.theverge.com

So it's official

When you compare to the upcoming 980 pro you realize M$ is actually ripping you. This proprietary nonsense is super anti-consumer.

 

[Zoro7]

Okay, you already guessed it, but the Series S is still available on Amazon DE^^

Xbox Series S 512GB: Amazon.de: Games

Xbox Series S 512GB - Kostenloser Versand ab 29€. Jetzt bei Amazon.de bestellen!

www.amazon.de

Listen this is a casuals console ok. Casuals do not preorder okay!

 

[Riky]

" Xbox has been greenlighted to waste huge amount of money just to look more pro consumer with free "smart delivery" - its free even if its only higher fps and resolutions ( spiderman remaster is much more than that thats why you need to pay for it )"

It doesn't just look more pro consumer, it is and I don't care who pays for it as long as it isn't me.

I have an X1S, X1X and have a XSS and XSX on order, I will get four different versions for the price of one, unheard of. You really believe that the differences between the X1S and XSX versions are just going to be framerate and resolution? Look at DF comparisons between X1S and X1X versions and you will see thats not true at all, you're just downplaying the situation.

It's a great feature and it's best just to admit it.

 

[kyliethicc]

When you compare to the upcoming 980 pro you realize M$ is actually ripping you. This proprietary nonsense is super anti-consumer.

And 2 years less warranty. So Seagate won't even guarantee the Xbox drive will last 4 years.

No thanks.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Listen this is a casuals console ok. Casuals do not preorder okay!

This can't be right, Series S will fly off shelves, Gav Odium told me so!

 

[zaitsu]

When you compare to the upcoming 980 pro you realize M$ is actually ripping you. This proprietary nonsense is super anti-consumer.

Thats something all uf us knew when we see that. They want to makeup for that money lost on 499$

 

[Zoro7]

When you compare to the upcoming 980 pro you realize M$ is actually ripping you. This proprietary nonsense is super anti-consumer.

You don't know what you're talking about. Its super pro consumer because you yeah exactly. Thank you!

 

[BlueXImpulse]

PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan throws shade at Xbox Series S

Next-gen jabs Microsoft and Sony took divergent paths in their approach to next-gen technology. Microsoft developed two starkly different consoles...

www.destructoid.com

 

[lepermessiah]

Really wish we could see more Scorn footage, it's pretty much the only game I'm interested in. I like finding Giger dildos to open doors.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan throws shade at Xbox Series S

Next-gen jabs Microsoft and Sony took divergent paths in their approach to next-gen technology. Microsoft developed two starkly different consoles...

www.destructoid.com

You would think people would tell him to go easy with the dirt throwing the whole time since this isn't a good look for the brand.

 

[Zero707]

When you compare to the upcoming 980 pro you realize M$ is actually ripping you. This proprietary nonsense is super anti-consumer.

hmmm can you give me External SSD can match Xbox expansion card Speed ? i will wait

Samsung T5 up to 540mb/s offical price $250
Samsung x5 Thunderbolt 3 up to 2800 mb/s offical price $400
and these speeds are not guaranteed

 

[BlueXImpulse]

You would think people would tell him to go easy with the dirt throwing the whole time since this isn't a good look for the brand.

Both companies take subtle shots at each other, they are in competition. Phil made a joke about how loud the PS4 was.

 

[YoodlePro]

I reporting what I was told. Xbox had more console in retailers world wide then Sony did when pre orders started. Why GameStop only had so many pre store I can’t say. World wide how console allocation went I do not know. Just told Xbox had more consoles. I could see Xbox having more in North America and other popular countries they do well in. While Sony had more in Europe and other places. But I have been told by more then one person Xbox had more consoles total. I can’t wait for launch and see how thing brake down. Because I know I’m Asia and Europe I can see PS5 doing 2:1 ratio to Xbox.

I highly doubt it. I don't believe one second MS has higher production capabilities.

 

[xacto]

Does Sony have anything for us today

 

[scie]

For those interested a german tech magazine already tested the Samsung 980 Pro. Conclusion in all synthetic benchmarks it reached the or got better results as advertised. Real world file transfer for 390 GB Steam files were 1,27GB/s in writing and 1,33GB/s reading . Peak was 1,9GB/s in writing and when files are copied within the drive it was 1,2GB/s.

Samsung 980 Pro SSD im Test

Die neue SSD-Speerspitze bei Samsung heißt 980 Pro und nutzt erstmals PCIe 4.0 für Transferraten von bis zu 7 GB/s sowie 1 Million IOPS.

www.computerbase.de

 

[xacto]

Really wish we could see more Scorn footage, it's pretty much the only game I'm interested in. I like finding Giger dildos to open doors.

In that game, Giger dildos will find YOU.

 

[bitbydeath]

You would think people would tell him to go easy with the dirt throwing the whole time since this isn't a good look for the brand.

The sites just inferring it for clicks.
The comment has nothing to do with Xbox.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

Analyst expects PS5 and Xbox Series to sell 1.5m each in North America this year

Baird Equity Research's Colin Sebastian says demand strong for next-gen consoles with PS5 selling at a slightly higher premium on auction sites

"Overall, demand continues to look strong and with the sales mix favoring the premium versions of both consoles, in line with our expectations, and we think supportive of an ongoing constructive view of the interactive entertainment sector," Sebastian wrote.

Analyst expects PS5 and Xbox Series to sell 1.5m each in North America this year

With the Xbox Series S and X preorders opening this week, industry watchers received an early comparison point for cons…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Zero707]

where is the PC thread ? i need to post this

 

[Killer Sakoman]

where is the PC thread ? i need to post this

That's good.

 

[Anchovie123]

For those interested a german tech magazine already tested the Samsung 980 Pro. Conclusion in all synthetic benchmarks it reached the or got better results as advertised. Real world file transfer for 390 GB Steam files were 1,27GB/s in writing and 1,33GB/s reading . Peak was 1,9GB/s in writing and when files are copied within the drive it was 1,2GB/s.

Samsung 980 Pro SSD im Test

Die neue SSD-Speerspitze bei Samsung heißt 980 Pro und nutzt erstmals PCIe 4.0 für Transferraten von bis zu 7 GB/s sowie 1 Million IOPS.

www.computerbase.de

Those Samsung 980 real world speeds are very interesting. Makes me think back to the Cerny presentation when he was talking about bottlenecks and their custom flash controller. I hope we see some loading tests from the PS5 soon to see if the dream of 100x faster truly has been fully realized. If we see 1sec loading times for unpatched games like Metro Exodus or The Witcher 3 i will be absolutely amazed.

 

[Darius87]

For those interested a german tech magazine already tested the Samsung 980 Pro. Conclusion in all synthetic benchmarks it reached the or got better results as advertised. Real world file transfer for 390 GB Steam files were 1,27GB/s in writing and 1,33GB/s reading . Peak was 1,9GB/s in writing and when files are copied within the drive it was 1,2GB/s.

Samsung 980 Pro SSD im Test

Die neue SSD-Speerspitze bei Samsung heißt 980 Pro und nutzt erstmals PCIe 4.0 für Transferraten von bis zu 7 GB/s sowie 1 Million IOPS.

www.computerbase.de

how that would be compatible with PS5 with much lower read speeds?

 

[Zero707]

man i miss the se

how that would be compatible with PS5 with much lower read speeds?

hmm do we know if PS5 SSD 5.5 GB/s speed guaranteed or not ?

 

[Shmunter]

Those Samsung 980 real world speeds are very interesting. Makes me think back to the Cerny presentation when he was talking about bottlenecks and their custom flash controller. I hope we see some loading tests from the PS5 soon to see if the dream of 100x faster truly has been fully realized. If we see 1sec loading times for unpatched games like Metro Exodus or The Witcher 3 i will be absolutely amazed.

You wont see 1 sec. A game running is more then just loading, some code will need to be executed, maybe even behind the scenes online checkins. However the Sony architecture sure is bypassing a lot of the legacy guff, so should be optimal.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

how that would be compatible with PS5 with much lower read speeds?

Those drives assuming they fit will be good enough. Their r/w in practice on PC will not match their on paper spec for obvious reasons. It's a different case with PS5

 

[Darius87]

man i miss the se

hmm do we know if PS5 SSD 5.5 GB/s speed guaranteed or not ?

if not then it means that would be impossible to have data just for 1 second of gameplay in RAM or stream data behind the player. meaning Cerny was lying which i highly doubt.

 

[kyliethicc]

how that would be compatible with PS5 with much lower read speeds?

Sony designed their entire expansion setup around these PC M.2 drives, that can hit 7 GB/s reads with PCIe Gen4x4. That 980 Pro drive from Samsung is exactly that.

If it doesn't work and can't run PS5 games, then Sony will have wasted hundreds of millions of dollars building expansion bays inside every PS5 that can only use PCIe Gen4x4 M.2 drives. I doubt they made such a huge mistake. It should work out fine.

 

[T-Cake]

Seagate is trash. I have 2 external 3tb hdd that died on me. One of them died within 2 years.

And to counter that, I'm still using 4x 2TB HDDs quite happily after five years now. Western Digital are the ones that broke on me.

 

[Zero707]

if not then it means that would be impossible to have data just for 1 second of gameplay in RAM or stream data behind the player. meaning Cerny was lying which i highly doubt.

hmmm i think we need new information so where is the PS5 tear down video ? they pretty much revealed everything

PS : I'm not calling him Liar because i know his name isn't Cerny Layn

 

[Mahavastu]

You would think people would tell him to go easy with the dirt throwing the whole time since this isn't a good look for the brand.

He is not throwing dirt, he is just saying that equal strategies did not work in the past and that even Sony themself thought about doing the same but decided against it.
Throwing dirt looks different. But of course it makes more clicks to have a more dramatic headline

 

[Bryank75]

Microsoft’s Xbox Series X 1TB expandable storage priced at $219.99

Next-gen console storage isn’t going to be cheap

www.theverge.com

So it's official

It's not even as fast as the PS5 one but it's just as expensive? Crazy...

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Hopefully Sony gives a PS5 to KingTrashGaming For an unbiased deep tech analysis

 

[Dodkrake]

hmmm can you give me External SSD can match Xbox expansion card Speed ? i will wait

Samsung T5 up to 540mb/s offical price $250
Samsung x5 Thunderbolt 3 up to 2800 mb/s offical price $400
and these speeds are not guaranteed

If write times mattered... Read times is where it's at in consoles.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah folks use Cold Storage until PCIe Gen 4.0 SSDs get cheaper

Shouldn't take that long for the prices to drop. Especially since there's alot of competition in the SSD space. The best option for PS5 owners until then is to use externals for storage.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Man can't wait for the SSDs Threads part 2

We are all dying to see how they both compare.

hmmm i think we need new information so where is the PS5 tear down video ? they pretty much revealed everything

PS : I'm not calling him Liar because i know his name isn't Cerny Layn

You don't need a teardown to judge which I/O is better. Just look at what each system is doing with the games. In my opinion the PS5 has given us the most impressive I/O demos at this point.

 

[bitbydeath]

hmm do we know if PS5 SSD 5.5 GB/s speed guaranteed or not ?

Yes

 

[danielJackson]

I talked with Slovakian friend about how difficult it were to pre-order PS5 here&there, and said that series x/s is still available

ShieldSquare Captcha

And he says it is the BIGGEST retailer there

As you see they still have series x available to get on launch and only around 770 sold total and 110 units today, so it is still there

Same here at Finland, still available for launch. But PS5 orders go to january-march/2021

I guess doing things better than last time didnt really matter on EU, if this is the case on other countries too.

Not trying to start a war, just think it is interesting how much slower xbox sells even after all the game pass hype.

 

[FunkMiller]

PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan throws shade at Xbox Series S

Next-gen jabs Microsoft and Sony took divergent paths in their approach to next-gen technology. Microsoft developed two starkly different consoles...

www.destructoid.com

Tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but Jim Ryan is an asshat. Losing Shaun Layden has been a real blow to Sony. If Microsoft do make a big comeback this generation, Ryan's idiocy will be at the heart of it.

 

[Zero707]

If write times mattered... Read times is where it's at in consoles.

Even the Read Times is lower than Xbox Card

 

[Gediminas]

man i miss the se

hmm do we know if PS5 SSD 5.5 GB/s speed guaranteed or not ?

if we take the rumors seriously then, 5.5gb/s was lowest speed according to developers and sony were careful with that. actually speed is even higher than that.