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kyliethicc
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And so there's no competition for lower prices. Their transparency is so great.support pc parts? No way. it’s anti consumer. The pro consumer MS made sure no one can buy the wrong drive
ethomaz
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There is Xbox word in alll of it.
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ruvikx
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I'm an entirely selfish gamer. I don't care about supporting one particular manufacturer over another, I just care about the here & now. The way I see it is Sony has the one game I can see I'll enjoy (a lot) in the initial six month release window of these consoles, aka Demon Souls remake. I've also been curious to finally get Death Stranding as well (which I hope will have backwards compatibility which takes advantage of the ps pro version, not the base ps4 version).
But, I can also see that down the line Sony has two huge problems: their games are too expensive versus gamepass (80 euros in Europe is a bit comical), and when stuff like The Elder Scrolls VI & Fallout 5 land (& other regular zenimax stuff like Doom, Rage, Prey, Dishonored etc.) & those games are Xbox/PC exclusive (& on Gamepass). Well, oops. Not good for Sony.
Especially in this economy.
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ArcaneNLSC
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I really loved you, man, until I saw your hidden side...
Just like a mullet business at the front party at the back
Rea
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No dude, PS Studio Logo represents all the 1st party studios at Sony's Playstation brand just like Xbox games studio. When a game has it, means that game is made by 1st party studio from Playstation brand and it's exclusive for Playstation. Demon soul's remake has it probably because of involvement of Japan Studios which is 1st party and bluepoint is 2nd party just like Insomniac before Sony acquire them. I'm 99% sure, if demon souls Ps5 sell well, Sony will acquire Bluepoint just like Insomniac.
Greatest Of All Time
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Can anyone give a quick breakdown of what is known about the PS5 cooling solution?
kyliethicc
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No. Sony will use that logo for any game they publish. Thats what 1st party means.
Sony owns the game, funds it, publishes it. Its theirs. Everything else is 3rd party.
"Alongside games developed by Sony's first-party studios -- such as Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica Studio, Media Molecule and Guerrilla Games -- the PlayStation Studios brand will also apply to games made by work-for-hire developers under Sony's direction."
""If our studios are managing the production of these games and working with an external developer, it will still come out under the PlayStation Studios brand," Lempel details. "It doesn't mean that we outright own the developer, but it just means we brought it up as a first-party. In a lot of cases we don't own the developer." - Eric Lempel, SIE"
PlayStation Studios brand will launch alongside PS5
Sony has developed a new umbrella brand to unite its first-party PlayStation titles.The PlayStation Studios brand will …
www.gamesindustry.biz
Also, 2nd party doesn't really exist, according to devs like Insomniac.
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kyliethicc
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Yup. "ultra high speed HDMI cables" which are good for 4K@120Hz.
The Sbox does not however, only a "high speed" HDMI cable, basically equal to 2.0.
WhispersintheWind
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Well Xbox Series S/X SSD Cards are $219.99 US Dollar?
Up For Preorder on Best Buy.com
Up For Preorder on Best Buy.com
I still think 'second party' is a handy description. We all know it means a third-party studio making a game exclusive to one platform, it's the only term that describes that situation in a simple and transparent way.No. Sony will use that logo for any game they publish. Thats what 1st party means.
Sony owns the game, funds it, publishes it. Its theirs. Everything else is 3rd party.
"Alongside games developed by Sony's first-party studios -- such as Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica Studio, Media Molecule and Guerrilla Games -- the PlayStation Studios brand will also apply to games made by work-for-hire developers under Sony's direction."
""If our studios are managing the production of these games and working with an external developer, it will still come out under the PlayStation Studios brand," Lempel details. "It doesn't mean that we outright own the developer, but it just means we brought it up as a first-party. In a lot of cases we don't own the developer." - Eric Lempel, SIE"
PlayStation Studios brand will launch alongside PS5
Sony has developed a new umbrella brand to unite its first-party PlayStation titles.The PlayStation Studios brand will …
Also, 2nd party doesn't really exist, according to devs like Insomniac.
Snowdonhoffen
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PS Vita flashbacks.Well Xbox Series S/X SSD Cards are $219.99 US Dollar?
Up For Preorder on Best Buy.com
demigod
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Well Xbox Series S/X SSD Cards are $219.99 US Dollar?
Up For Preorder on Best Buy.com
lol, told you guys it was going to be expensive.
[Rumor] Xbox Series X Seagate 1TB SSD Expansion Priced at $219.99
Random guy (?) so take it with a grain of salt, still I can see this happening:
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Killer Sakoman
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RAD is gone, they are with Facebook
kyliethicc
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It means nothing really. People overcomplicate the matter and focus on devs too much.
The developers aren't the "party," its the publisher.
The publisher pays for the game, the publisher owns, controls, and markets the game. They set the price, etc.
1st party game = same publisher as hardware maker. (Sony, Nintendo, Xbox)
3rd party game = everything else
1st party PS4/5 games are published by Sony Interactive Entertainment.
1st party Xbox games are published by Xbox Game Studios.
1st party Switch games are published by Nintendo.
Everything else (even say Minecraft published by Xbox on PS4, or soon to be MLB The Show published by SIE on Xbox) is 3rd party.
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kyliethicc
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Not really worth it for only a 3 year warranty. Seagate is not a trustworthy brand.lol, told you guys it was going to be expensive.
[Rumor] Xbox Series X Seagate 1TB SSD Expansion Priced at $219.99
Random guy (?) so take it with a grain of salt, still I can see this happening:www.neogaf.com
amstradcpc
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And because that way they can say the preorders sold out.
HAL-01
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That’s.. way too much for a 2.5GB/s drive... I mean Samsung’s upcoming (presumably) PS5 compatible 980 pro is $229 for 7GB/s, and regular 3.5GB/s m2 drives on Amazon can be found for like $150. But hey, you can swap them outWell Xbox Series S/X SSD Cards are $219.99 US Dollar?
Up For Preorder on Best Buy.com
amstradcpc
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And that was yesterday, the first Ps5 preorder day they sold more than 40.000 PS5s (disc version).Spain gonna Spain.
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Rea
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Yes, it's also represents the 1st party studio. For the 2nd party, i understood what's the meaning, it's technically doesn't exist but it's meaning the same.No. Sony will use that logo for any game they publish. Thats what 1st party means.
Sony owns the game, funds it, publishes it. Its theirs. Everything else is 3rd party.
"Alongside games developed by Sony's first-party studios -- such as Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica Studio, Media Molecule and Guerrilla Games -- the PlayStation Studios brand will also apply to games made by work-for-hire developers under Sony's direction."
""If our studios are managing the production of these games and working with an external developer, it will still come out under the PlayStation Studios brand," Lempel details. "It doesn't mean that we outright own the developer, but it just means we brought it up as a first-party. In a lot of cases we don't own the developer." - Eric Lempel, SIE"
PlayStation Studios brand will launch alongside PS5
Sony has developed a new umbrella brand to unite its first-party PlayStation titles.The PlayStation Studios brand will …
Also, 2nd party doesn't really exist, according to devs like Insomniac.
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Sony announces new PlayStation Studios branding for its first-party PS5 games
Uniting all of Sony’s studios under one new logo.
www.theverge.com
kyliethicc
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And a 3 vs 5 year warranty too, at 1/3 the read speed.. but same price? Too much.
kyliethicc
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Exactly. Developers do not make consoles. 1st/3rd party refers to the publisher and the platform holder (console maker.)No. Insomniac's Sunset Overdrive was under the Microsoft Studios (now Xbox Game Studios) banner.
I'm pretty sure these are publishing related, not Dev team.
Sunset Overdrive was a 1st party Xbox One game. Published by Microsoft.
Spider-Man was a 1st party PS4 game. Published by Sony.
Both developed by Insomniac.
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Zero707
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yeah wait for Adapter or Samsung version of game card
kyliethicc
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Will never happen. Seagate only forever. Thats how proprietary storage works. Its designed to have no competition so the price never has to drop.
Zero707
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Nah i think xbox talked about allowing other manufacturers in the future to make these SSD for Xbox.
then Again this is also up to the manufacturers to make these SSDs or Not
MS is using unpopular Form factor M.2 2230 Nvme SSD as far i know only toshiba make these type of SSDs
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kyliethicc
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source
Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
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Here’s how Xbox Series X removable storage will work
You might need a new expansion card for Xbox Series X optimized games.
www.theverge.com
"Seagate will be the exclusive launch partner for these expansion cards, too. “At launch, the Seagate Storage Expansion Card for Xbox Series X will be the only Expansion Card available,” reveals a Microsoft spokesperson to The Verge. “We look forward to sharing more details in the future.” It’s not clear whether Microsoft will have its own branded expansion cards or just how many other third-party drive makers will be able to create expansion cards."
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kyliethicc
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Ehh, don't get your hopes up. But thanks for the source.Here’s how Xbox Series X removable storage will work
You might need a new expansion card for Xbox Series X optimized games.
"Seagate will be the exclusive launch partner for these expansion cards, too. “At launch, the Seagate Storage Expansion Card for Xbox Series X will be the only Expansion Card available,” reveals a Microsoft spokesperson to The Verge. “We look forward to sharing more details in the future.” It’s not clear whether Microsoft will have its own branded expansion cards or just how many other third-party drive makers will be able to create expansion cards."
I doubt Seagate would bother accepting the deal without being given the manufacturing exclusivity by Xbox.
MastaKiiLA
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Worth noting that the Pro models are the enterprise versions, so should be priced higher than the Evo model.Holy fuck if this is the final price this is horrible. The Samsung 980 Pro 1TB costs the same and that SSD is 7gb/sec
Aus Price*
kyliethicc
Member
I doubt the Xbox OS would let them work. They can disable any other drives being accepted via the system software. It'll be the 1 card slot, and only Seagate cards, or the internal. Until/unless Xbox change their minds.
PS4 didn't even allow external USB HDDs until 2016. They patched the OS.
Like how for years, iOS blocked file transfers from flash drives. Then eventually Apple changed their mind and updated the software, allowing it.
kyliethicc
Member
Actually the new 980 Pro uses the same type of NAND flash as the 970 Evo, and has the same write endurance ratings. They "downgraded" to cut costs by $120.
Speculation is there might not be a 980 Evo. But we shall see. If there is a 980 Evo, and its slower, then it might not be fast enough for the PS5.
I think gamers, quite rightly, are more interested in the developer than the publisher.
1) Platform Owned Developer - First Party
2) Independent Developer working on exclusive game - Second Party
3) Independent Developer working on wide release - Third Party
Each of those situations is unique, the term 'third-party' doesn't accurately describe both 2 and 3. Removing the term 'second-party' only serves to remove clarity and has zero benefit.
demigod
Member
Seagate is trash. I have 2 external 3tb hdd that died on me. One of them died within 2 years.
kyliethicc
Member
Cool but thats made up by you. The terms in the industry actually refer to publisher. Real game developers say so.
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Redlancet
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my country
MastaKiiLA
Member
Huh. I did not know that. I've bought 3 Evos, and always steered clear of the Pros. The 970 Evo Plus has excellent performance parity with the Pro model, but worse warranty and drive life. If they're using the same flash chips in the 980, then gains must be on the controller side. Impressive, if so. Also, I wonder if they figured the write life of the 970 NAND is plenty good enough for servers. 18TB written in the past year, and probably haven't made a dent in the life of the drive. Hopefully a 980 Evo Plus can have the same parity as the 970s.
kyliethicc
Member
The 1 TB 980 Pro is rated for 600 TB written. I guess the 970 Pro was 1200 TB. But the 1 TB 970 Pro launched at $350, while the 980 Pro 1 TB is only $230 but 7 GB/s. Seems well worth it. Has a 5 year warranty, should be great for PS5 expansion.
It does have its own custom controller, ARM chip Samsung 8nm. It uses TLC NAND like the 970 Evo.
In depth review article here
The Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 SSD Review: A Spirit of Hope
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I made up the term 'second party'?Cool but thats made up by you. The terms in the industry actually refer to publisher. Real game developers say so.
Sure, OK. I'll take credit for it then. Think of me whenever someone uses it*.
The term is both very widely used and understood which is why Greg Miller used it in your example. I really don't care if developers use it, it's a term that's helpful in describing the relationship between developer and platform holder for any particular game.
*Pro tip, you'll be thinking of me a lot.
kyliethicc
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Cool. The point is any game Sony publishes is 1st party. They treat them all the same. Doesn't matter if its God of War or Bloodborne. Both are Sony 1st party games. They just don't own From Software. But they own Bloodborne, same as God of War.
Thats why you'll see PlayStation Studios logo for all games Sony publishes. They're all 1st party PS5 games.
Sony will use the PS Studios logo on all 1st party PS5 games as a seal of quality, building brand trust with buyers. Doesn't matter if its Destruction Allstars, Demon's Souls, or Miles Morales. All the same logo on the box. They don't want to communicate to buyers "we own or don't own this developer" they want to communicate to the buyer "this is a PlayStation game." Thats the point of the logo, the branding, and the idea of 1st party vs 3rd party.
If you use the term 2nd party, I obviously understand what you mean, but its a distinction without a difference for how the game is treated and made, really.
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Setsuna Mudou
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Also, eat more fiber so you don't take 15 - 20 minutes on bathroom breaks... unless you use those to masturbate, in which case, take longer than 20 mins if possible
zaitsu
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My friend told my that Zenimax being bought by MS was kept secret, and Sony probably didn't know before us. God imagine those talks. They wanted to buy Starfield exclusivity and MS bought whole company right in front of them. I really think that wise people (not Jim) has now reevaluating strategy. Xbox has been greenlighted to waste huge amount of money just to look more pro consumer with free "smart delivery" - its free even if its only higher fps and resolutions ( spiderman remaster is much more than that thats why you need to pay for it ).
In short term own PS mistakes has more impact than Zenimax being taken by MS. But clearly zenimax was important part of 3party Sony strategy - we are getting two timed exclusives from them and they wanted to secure Starfield.
So MS really will keep PS in check this generation. And that's good for us. Worst case scenario we would also buy XSX in 2023. But strong competition will make Sony better for free.
In short term own PS mistakes has more impact than Zenimax being taken by MS. But clearly zenimax was important part of 3party Sony strategy - we are getting two timed exclusives from them and they wanted to secure Starfield.
So MS really will keep PS in check this generation. And that's good for us. Worst case scenario we would also buy XSX in 2023. But strong competition will make Sony better for free.
Rea
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Yes you are correct, but there is still involvement of studios owned by the publisher, for example like Quality control, equipment supports, games engine etc. Doesn't necessarily means xbox or Sony just only publish.No. Insomniac's Sunset Overdrive was under the Microsoft Studios (now Xbox Game Studios) banner.
I'm pretty sure these are publishing related, not Dev team.
Edit: in case of Sony, previously about before 2020, Sony doesn't have PS Studio logo. That's why GOT and Last of Us don't have the Logo. They just recently decided to do like Xbox Game Studio logo. In other words, they copied xbox. LoL
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