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[Lethal01]

The classic Final Fantasy always had European medieval look to them.

This from Final Fantasy III

From FFXVI

Again this mostly looks like classic Final Fantasy rather than WRPG....I hopefully we see more of the world with new trailers.

? I mean, what?

If you’re talking about western style armor. Yes, Final Fantasy had that. Multiple times.

What?

Here's a question, which of those pictures look closer to the witcher to you, The picture from FF III or the one from 16? Pretty much everyone can easily see that the picture from FF16 is closer to witcher that the Picture from FF III is. It's pretty much a perfect example of how much more western the game looks.

Yes, Final fantasy has had western designs, However that was offset by the fact that those games were drawn and rendered in a style that was pretty clearly Japanese. The picture you posted is clearly more stylized when it comes to the characters face, along with the armor itself having proportions that make it look more like something you would see in a cartoon.

However when the game has realistic looking characters in a realistic looking world with western armor and clothes then it keeps having less and less things that someone could point to and say it's japanese.

Once again I ask aside from the faces and the monsters what about it do you think looks Japanese. I'm not asking what looks like a previous final fantasy game.

 

[Teslerum]

I'm not asking what looks like a previous final fantasy game.

LOL

That was your entire argument when it started. That it was not like Final Fantasy. Now its the opposite with some vague argument about what is *japanese*?

Please.

 

[Lethal01]

LOL

That was your entire argument when it started. That it was not like Final Fantasy

What? no, it really wasnt.

Scrolled through my comments just to make sure. My point this whole time is that it was clear why someone would say it looks less Japanese and more like something like the witcher. Previous games had some of the elements that people point to as western in the game but they were offset by those games looking like anime and thus being clearly japanese.

If you don't disagree that it looks more western then we got no reason to argue.

 

[royox]

Here's a question, which of those pictures look closer to the witcher to you, The picture from FF III or the one from 16? Pretty much everyone can easily see that the picture from FF16 is closer to witcher that the Picture from FF III is. It's pretty much a perfect example of how much more western the game looks.

Yes, Final fantasy has had western designs, However that was offset by the fact that those games were drawn and rendered in a style that was pretty clearly Japanese. The picture you posted is clearly more stylized when it comes to the characters face, along with the armor itself having proportions that make it look more like something you would see in a cartoon.

However when the game has realistic looking characters in a realistic looking world with western armor and clothes then it keeps having less and less things that someone could point to and say it's japanese.

Once again I ask aside from the faces and the monsters what about it do you think looks Japanese. I'm not asking what looks like a previous final fantasy game.

Original FF games were happenning in "western medieval worlds". It's only normal than if they do a FF nowadays with that setting it mind it looks WESTERN. What's wrong about it? Characters still look anime As Fuck.

Yall will forget about this conversation when the next trailer is filled by cat-girls, moogles, lalafell-like beings and vieras lol.

 

[Lethal01]

Original FF games were happenning in "western medieval worlds". It's only normal than if they do a FF nowadays with that setting it mind it looks WESTERN. What's wrong about it?.

Sure, you are agreeing with what I'm saying.

I've got ZERO problem with the game looking a little western, I was just pointing out that it's weird to be confused when people say that this game looks western.

That's literally it, Someone said "I don't see how people think this looks western" and i said it's kinda obvious why.

 

[Danjin44]

has realistic looking characters

None of these characters are looks "realistic" They are actually more stylized than FFXV.

 

[Teslerum]

What? no, it really wasnt.

Scrolled through my comments just to make sure. My point this whole time is that it was clear why someone would say it looks less Japanese and more like something like the witcher. Previous games had some of the elements that people point to as western in the game but they were offset by those games looking like anime and thus being clearly japanese.

If you don't disagree that it looks more western then we got no reason to argue.

Vagrant story looked anime? FFXII looked anime?

Because, sorry no.

Never got the feeling in XII apart from charachter designs (which this has too) and Vagrant Story reminded me of a french comic first.

 

[Lethal01]

None of these characters are looks "realistic" They are actually more stylized than FFXV.

Sure, I'm saying realistic in comparison of what you were posting.

 

[Myths]

Looks mostly like FF3 if FF3 were made in HD based on the CG trailers. An easy top 5 from DS version for me, I can’t dislike the direction.

Once again, for the 5th time:

 

[Danjin44]

Sure, I'm saying realistic in comparison of what you were posting.

Yeah they CGI from DS era, these days SE can make better looking in game model than old CGI they used to make.

 

[Lethal01]

Vagrant story looked anime? FFXII looked anime?

Because, sorry no.

Never got the feeling in XII apart from charachter designs (which this has too) and Vagrant Story reminded me of a french comic first.

This from Final Fantasy III

From FFXVI

Does the one from 16 look more Western than the one from FFIII?

 

[sid2vicious]

I'd argue most Final Fantasies have western settings, with the exception of FFX and arguably FFXV thanks to VsXIII and its characters, however XV world lore still remains very western inspired.

 

[Kokoloko85]

What are you guys on about? It looks like Final Fantasy- 3-11-12-14- also tactics and vagrant story too

 

[Danjin44]

Lethal01 having more medieval look doesn't make it "western" same way GhoT having Japanese setting doesn't make it "Japanese game".

 

[Lethal01]

Lethal01 having more medieval look doesn't make it "western" same way GhoT having Japanese setting doesn't make it "Japanese game".

It's a good thing that's not what's being said.... at all.

 

[Danjin44]

It's a good thing that's not what's being said.... at all.

But you saying its look more "western" because it medieval armours which FF series always had....classic FF always had European medieval look to them.

 

[Lethal01]

But you saying its look more "western" because it medieval armours which FF series always had....classic FF always had European medieval look to them.

Previous Final Fantasy games have super stylized takes on a western settings, they are handrawn in distinctly Japanese styles. If they had the proportions of characters in this game along with the more realistic take on western armor then it will look closer to games that you would typically see in the west.

his from Final Fantasy III

From FFXVI

The one from 16 look more Western than the one from FFIII.

We agree that they are both medival, so no, I'm not saying that just because you do medival you automatically look as wester as ff16 does.

 

[Red Rackham's Revenge]

Here's a question, which of those pictures look closer to the witcher to you, The picture from FF III or the one from 16? Pretty much everyone can easily see that the picture from FF16 is closer to witcher that the Picture from FF III is. It's pretty much a perfect example of how much more western the game looks.

Yes, Final fantasy has had western designs, However that was offset by the fact that those games were drawn and rendered in a style that was pretty clearly Japanese. The picture you posted is clearly more stylized when it comes to the characters face, along with the armor itself having proportions that make it look more like something you would see in a cartoon.

I understand what you're saying but I think this is almost entirely due to the limitations of the time. If FFIII was made for PS5, it'd probably look closer to FFXVI.

 

[Lethal01]

I understand what you're saying but I think this is almost entirely due to the limitations of the time. If FFIII was made for PS5, it'd probably look closer to FFXVI.

Probably, however whether or not it had such a distinct Japnese style due to limitations doesn't change the fact that it did have this style.

 

[sid2vicious]

But you saying its look more "western" because it medieval armours which FF series always had....classic FF always had European medieval look to them.

He does have a point to some degree, if we are speaking strictly about art style. Take a look at the Souls game or even Bloodborne, Japanese game made by Japanese artists, but can we really describe the games as anime? Japanese people are more than capable of designing western animation, maybe that's where the confusion is.

 

[Teslerum]

This from Final Fantasy III

From FFXVI

Does the one from 16 look more Western than the one from FFIII?

A:Still doesn’t look anime

B: Good thing I didn’t mention FF3.

 

[UnNamed]

Can we not kill off this lady please?

She looks like walking deathmeat in a Final Fantasy universe. RIP

AO and self shadows? Where we're going we dont need shadows.

 

[Teslerum]

Also, just to show how insane that discussions is. FF1 literally ripped off its monster designs from D&D.

What are you people even talking about? And why is the focus on FF3 CGI as if that one was the only or even best example?

 

[Yoboman]

Vagrant story looked anime? FFXII looked anime?

Because, sorry no.

Never got the feeling in XII apart from charachter designs (which this has too) and Vagrant Story reminded me of a french comic first.

Vagrant Story and FFXII were very much derived from Akihiko Yoshida art. Which is very anime (though a high high quality)

 

[Lethal01]

He does have a point to some degree, if we are speaking strictly about art style. Take a look at the Souls game or even Bloodborne, Japanese game made by Japanese artists, but can we really describe the games as anime? Japanese people are more than capable of designing western animation, maybe that's where the confusion is.

I'm not saying that the games need to look like anime to look Japanese, I'm saying, many of the previous game were stylized or looked more like anime, thus even if they had similar elements to this game would be overshadowed by the fact they were so clearly japanese.

I was simply saying there is no point in pointing at a game like Final Fantasy tactics and acting like since that game is clearly not western tthere's no way some aspects of it could not make another game look western when combined with other decisions..

 

[Magusx]

Not a fan of European medieval style...but it looks pretty good must say.

 

[sid2vicious]

Also, just to show how insane that discussions is. FF1 literally ripped off its monster designs from D&D.

What are you people even talking about? And why is the focus on FF3 CGI as if that one was the only or even best example?

Zelda as well. Not only that, but most japanese animation has taken from western animation, dating back to Disney and Astroboy. They just took the inspiration and made their own style, now known as anime.

 

[sid2vicious]

I'm not saying that the games need to look like anime to look Japanese, I'm saying, many of the previous game were stylized or looked more like anime, thus even if they had similar elements to this game would be overshadowed by the fact they were so clearly japanese.

I was simply saying there is no point in pointing at a game like Final Fantasy tactics and then since that game is clearly not western that some of the aspects of it could not make another game look western.

It's different art style, that's all it is.

 

[Lethal01]

It's different art style, that's all it is.

Yes, it being in a different clearly Japanese art style makes it clearly not western regardless of anything else.
The artstyle of 16 is still obviously Japanese to me but it's a lot less obvious than earlier games.

A lot of aspect of the artstyle is more in line with the typical western game in this setting. So how does this not make the game look more western?

 

[Teslerum]

Vagrant Story and FFXII were very much derived from Akihiko Yoshida art. Which is very anime (though a high high quality)

....

A: I would hardly call this anime

B: Yoshida is 99% the art director or similiar on this one. So,.... yeah?

 

[sid2vicious]

Yes, it being in a different clearly Japanese art style makes it clearly not western regardless of anything else.
The artstyle of 16 is still obviously Japanese to me but it's a lot less obvious than earlier games.

A lot of aspect of the artstyle is more in line with the typical western game in this setting. So how does this not make the game look more western?

I'm not arguing with you, I was defending your stance.

 

[Lethal01]

I'm not arguing with you, I was defending your stance.

I blame it being 5am

 

[sid2vicious]

I blame it being 5am

lol go to bed.

 

[Nimarus]

I just hope the game isn't as depressing as FFXV was. After the events with Leviathan, it was so depressing that I actually contemplated shelving the game entirely. Sure, some sad moments in a game with some tragedy can add depth to a story. A great game leaves you with a feeling of satisfaction at the end. But no...

Spoiler: Spoiler for FFXV ending

Noctis has to kill himself to win...by letting the past kings and his own ghost father kill him.

I got the game on PC to enjoy the upgraded graphics. But I really don't want to spend the latter half of the game with the pitty party suicide squad.

 

[royox]

I just hope the game isn't as depressing as FFXV was. After the events with Leviathan, it was so depressing that I actually contemplated shelving the game entirely. Sure, some sad moments in a game with some tragedy can add depth to a story. A great game leaves you with a feeling of satisfaction at the end. But no...

Spoiler: Spoiler for FFXV ending

Noctis has to kill himself to win...by letting the past kings and his own ghost father kill him.

I got the game on PC to enjoy the upgraded graphics. But I really don't want to spend the latter half of the game with the pitty party suicide squad.

What was exactly depressing after leviathan? The death of a woman that had less than 5 minutes of screen time?

 

[CrysisFreak]

OST is good so far (trailer rip)

 

[Teslerum]

I just hope the game isn't as depressing as FFXV was. After the events with Leviathan, it was so depressing that I actually contemplated shelving the game entirely. Sure, some sad moments in a game with some tragedy can add depth to a story. A great game leaves you with a feeling of satisfaction at the end. But no...

Spoiler: Spoiler for FFXV ending

Noctis has to kill himself to win...by letting the past kings and his own ghost father kill him.

I got the game on PC to enjoy the upgraded graphics. But I really don't want to spend the latter half of the game with the pitty party suicide squad.

Tabata is gone, he can’t hurt you anymore.

 

[PSFan]

Glad to see they are getting back "medievel" style. Hopefully it's not a sausagefest like XV was.

 

[Whitecrow]

Medieval setting can ***** off...
I see no "fantasy" on there.

 

[Teslerum]

Tabata is gone, he can’t hurt you anymore.

Quoting myself here, but in interest I just googled 3rd Birthday's plot and yes. Except for Before Crisis the main charachter dies every single time in Tabata directed Square games (Crisis Core (Duh), 3rd Birthday, Type-0, FFXV).

Medieval setting can ***** off...
I see no "fantasy" on there.

Not an Ivalice fan I presume?

 

[Yoboman]

....

A: I would hardly call this anime

B: Yoshida is 99% the art director or similiar on this one. So,.... yeah?

It is definitely an anime style. Youre telling me you couldnt pick that out as Japanese if somebody showed it to you Closer? Especoally his FFXII art

There's no guarantee he is the art director

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Glad to see they are getting back "medievel" style. Hopefully it's not a sausagefest like XV was.

This.
Hell, in FFV you end up with a male protagonist and three women. Though i understand that female gamers do like the pretty boys.

One of the things that annoyed me is a lack of non-human party members in recent Final Fantasy titles. They just want to save money on animation by having everyone being the same size and shape.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

Guys so If I loved FF15 (never played any other FF), will I love this as well? How will this be diff from ff15?

 

[Teslerum]

It is definitely an anime style. Youre telling me you couldnt pick that out as Japanese if somebody showed it to you Closer? Especoally his FFXII art

There's no guarantee he is the art director

I could pick it out as japanese because of the faces. Same with the trailer. Yes. But there's a huge visible western influence in it. There's a huge difference to what you normally associate when you think anime. It's *anime* in the purest sense of the word as in drawings from japan.

Also I said *and similiar*. To me it's clear that Yoshida has a strong hand in it. We'll see soon enough anyway.

 

[Yoboman]

I could pick it out as japanese because of the faces. Same with the trailer. Yes. But there's a huge visible western influence in it. There's a huge difference to what you normally associate when you think anime. It's *anime* in the purest sense of the word as in drawings from japan.

Also I said *and similiar*. To me it's clear that Yoshida has a strong hand in it. We'll see soon enough anyway.

There's a huge western influence in Berserk, doesn't stop it being anime

 

[DelireMan7]

I just want to give a general thanks to all the people of this thread.

Reading all the discussion increase my hype for XVI

 

[megreotsugua]

I'm still optimistic about the game despite the graphics letdown. Looking forward for more info.

 

[FranXico]

Holy shit, they made it console exclusive...oh well.

It's timed. Probably out on Xbox about a year later. They should announce FFVIIR on Xbox soon, that should give you an idea of how long it lasts.

 

[Patterson]

I’m really digging the mood and the setting of this one. I wonder if there will be party members though.

 

[D.Final]

Quoting myself here, but in interest I just googled 3rd Birthday's plot and yes. Except for Before Crisis the main charachter dies every single time in Tabata directed Square games (Crisis Core (Duh), 3rd Birthday, Type-0, FFXV).



Not an Ivalice fan I presume?

Tabata has made some of the most beautiful endings of the entire Final Fantasy franchise.
Just for say this.