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[TheKillerStove]

How do these orders work?
Is it just final?

I am not American so I don't know how these things work, I just remember hearing something about '' orders '' that Trump wanted to give that would have to be voted for and he didn't have the power to give. But I dunno if it was these things.

Basically Executive Orders are supposed to be about the fine tuning of internal policies. The idea being the president could mandate how laws would be enforced, how wars would be waged, the internal structure of the administration, and stuff of that nature. Over time the power has expanded to basically be "legislation lite". You cant allocate funds through an executive order or anything like that, but you can affect broad change in the interest of national security. Like regular legislation though, this does need to pass through the Supreme Court, who will determine if the action is constitutional. If it is found to be constitutional, it is as good as law until another president repeals it (although that has recently been called into question as the supreme court recently blocked Trump from repealing one of Obama's executive orders).

 

[Doczu]

Oh come on! I already made peace with the fact that Tencent will develop System Sohock 3 andnow it will get cancelled AGAIN? WTF, is this IP cursed??

 

[The_Mike]

WTF is this idiot doing? like 90% of devs use Unreal engine what's supposed to happen to them now? just not pay for it?

Defending the allies of your friends Eh?

While it can be discussed how liberal this is, remember China are communists and wants to steal your information.

 

[anothertech]

I see this order doing exactly nothing of note in practice.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Good. Fuck China. We need to reduce Chinese influence in America. Financial influence in particular.

While I agree with the sentiment that Chinese influence should be kept at bay, this is the pot calling the kettle black. It’s such an ironic and hypocritical situation.

It would feel like a victory for the good guys if the US lead by example.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

This is pretty stupid. Just ban it for government employees. TikTok teens aren't a threat to national security. This just feels like grievance for said teens embarrassing him. This dude has a small dick, and huge amount of insecurity. Government shouldn't be used to settle personal grudges.

 

[down 2 orth]

China systematically restricts foreign companies to the point that mainly only companies with strong connections with and support from foreign governments are allowed access to Chinese markets. I was surprised that retaliation to these policies wasn't happening fifteen years ago, but past presidents didn't want to rock the boat with US companies already doing business there. It's pretty clear that most of the people objecting to this don't have the slightest clue of what's really going on.

 

[namekuseijin]

Tencent owns Epic? Wtf! The West is so fucked...

 

[TheKillerStove]

Tencent owns Epic? Wtf! The West is so fucked...

They dont own them, but they have a 40% stake in Epic. Doesnt matter anyway as Trump clarified the Tencent ban only applies in relation to WeChat.

 

[namekuseijin]

This is pretty stupid. Just ban it for government employees. TikTok teens aren't a threat to national security. This just feels like grievance for said teens embarrassing him. This dude has a small dick, and huge amount of insecurity. Government shouldn't be used to settle personal grudges.

China growth was led by pirating Western IP by digital spying by companies like Huawei. Trump ceased this, overtaxed China products in retaliation and since these acts has been heavily persecuted in commie press, commie social media, got nuclear threats by China friend NK, almost suffered impeachment and got an artificially created Chinese virus spreading chaos and misinformation.

China owns not only Epic but the whole of America already. It's too late for any politician to try to go against them. Just bend over and let your commie overlords and bosses fuck you and take away your free speech and impose low wage equal commie salaries...

 

[MastaKiiLA]

China systematically restricts foreign companies to the point that mainly only companies with strong connections with and support from foreign governments are allowed access to Chinese markets. I was surprised that retaliation to these policies wasn't happening fifteen years ago, but past presidents didn't want to rock the boat with US companies already doing business there. It's pretty clear that most of the people objecting to this don't have the slightest clue of what's really going on.

Many of us do understand what's happening, but this is a personal grudge, nothing more.

While you say what you did, how many products in your home now are currently assembled completely or in part in China? 99.99999999% of us are funding Chinese corporation and their government through our purchasing habits. China's anti-competitive policies are nothing new, yet our dependence on them has only grown, not shrunk. I live in SEA, and even products made in local countries are made at Chinese-owned and operated factories. The reality of supply chains is that we are beholden to China for our day-to-day lives, and it's because we tacitly endorse these repressive policies by continuing to buy shit they make.

While I have no issue restricting dangerous apps that are security hazards, TikTok ranks among the lowest of them. Our own American apps have been responsible for more ill use of personal data than any Chinese firm. Facebook, and Twitter has sabotaged the US public more than any grandmas dancing on TikTok have. I'd sooner we ban those 2 apps than TikTok, because who the hell even uses TikTok? Ban it for government employees and contractors. That snuffs out the security risk right there. Banning an app that is largely used by young people makes little to no sense. Banning transactions with WeChat doesn't feel like it actually resolves any latent security problems either. Chinese hackers were attacking government systems long before TikTok came about.

This sets a dangerous precedent, where the ability to ban business products on fabricated national emergencies opens the door for a smarter and more vile administration to establish the very kind of government we abhor in China. This is an authoritarian move. This stuff should be enforced by the legislative branch at the behest of security agencies or the justice department. This isn't the decision for one man who's shown an inability to grasp politics in general, much less the intricacies of technology, to make. By painting this as a means of defending ourselves against China, we end up becoming more and more like China. So glad I left the country. What a shitshow.

 

[John Wick]

So? Tencent doesn’t own Epic. They have a very larger ownership stake that they might be forced to sell.

It would be better for Epic and the devs if Tencent wasn’t involved.

Why? Are American companies only allowed to buy stakes? Or do well? This is beyond a joke and totally illegal.

 

[John Wick]

China growth was led by pirating Western IP by digital spying by companies like Huawei. Trump ceased this, overtaxed China products in retaliation and since these acts has been heavily persecuted in commie press, commie social media, got nuclear threats by China friend NK, almost suffered impeachment and got an artificially created Chinese virus spreading chaos and misinformation.

China owns not only Epic but the whole of America already. It's too late for any politician to try to go against them. Just bend over and let your commie overlords and bosses fuck you and take away your free speech and impose low wage equal commie salaries...

The country that has been proven to spy and cause wars all across the world calling other countries out on similar behaviour? Pot kettle black?
I suppose companies like Facebook, Google Apple etc don't hold customer data and don't use it eh?

 

[HawarMiran]

TCHAINA BADDDD

 

[FunkMiller]

Cant believe people are equating America under the Orange Balloon and China under the CCP One is a democracy that will be fine when he’s gone, and is still a place where its inhabitants have freedom from state run abuse. The other is a totalitarian regime that oppresses freedom of speech, defies human rights and commits acts of genocide. People need to get a grip.

 

[KiNeMz]

Wow so much ignorance in here regarding this. People need to understand what Communist China means. There is no issue with the country of China, There is no issue with the people of China. There is an issue with the Organization that is the CCP. When doing business with a Chinese company you actually doing business with the CCP. The CCP own and control ALL business in China. Including Tencent. So now think of all the companies, all over the world that TenCent has a piece in. All these Companies across the world are part owned by the CCP. Let that sink in.
This is the beginning of a decoupling of US companies being outright owned and possibly controlled by foreign interests, that being. The CCP. A foreign entity, who could well become an enemy of the state, has major ownership across major US corporations. If you dont think that is a concern, then by all means you are free to think what you want.

 

[HawarMiran]

Cant believe people are equating America under the Orange Balloon and China under the CCP One is a democracy that will be fine when he’s gone, and is still a place where its inhabitants have freedom from state run abuse. The other is a totalitarian regime that oppresses freedom of speech, defies human rights and commits acts of genocide. People need to get a grip.

No no no, that is not how this works. America is a big bully killing people of sovereign countries. What did they do to Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq? This has nothing to do with China being a totalitarian country. America just wants to be number 1. But things change. They can try as much as they want with sanctions, invading and exploiting countries,regime changes etc. Murica is a failing empire.

 

[Nicktendo_]

No no no, that is not how this works. America is a big bully killing people of sovereign countries. What did they do to Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq? This has nothing to do with China being a totalitarian country. America just wants to be number 1. But things change. They can try as much as they want with sanctions, invading and exploiting countries,regime changes etc. Murica is a failing empire.

Social credit score +50

 

[McHuj]

Why? Are American companies only allowed to buy stakes? Or do well? This is beyond a joke and totally illegal.

where did I indicate that only American companies are allowed to buy stakes?

 

[HawarMiran]

Social credit score +50

yeah ofcourse i have to be a chinese citizen when I drop truth bombs. the american government is as bad or even worse then China. Pointing out Chinas opression of Hong Kongers and now they have situations like in Portland . Own goal i would say

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Good fuck China, they've spent the last 20+ years devaluing our currency, fucking American workers on trade deals and fucked half the world with COVID-19 because they eat nasty shit. It's good to see we have a president who isn't going to get down on his knees and sucks China's dick for cheap goods and services like Obama and Bush did.

 

[TheKillerStove]

yeah ofcourse i have to be a chinese citizen when I drop truth bombs. the american government is as bad or even worse then China. Pointing out Chinas opression of Hong Kongers and now they have situations like in Portland . Own goal i would say

Hong Kong and Portland are not comparable. Hong Kongers are being arrested for crimes as small as mocking the national anthem. Portland protesters are being arrested for being at the site of, if not outright participating in, an attempt to burn down a federal courthouse.

 

[HawarMiran]

Hong Kong and Portland are not comparable. Hong Kongers are being arrested for crimes as small as mocking the national anthem. Portland protesters are being arrested for being at the site of, if not outright participating in, an attempt to burn down a federal courthouse.

So you are saying all protesters want to burn down the federal courthouse? Please no fairy tales. I see what is happening on Youtube.

 

[fran.fernandez]

TAIWAN N#1

 

[TheKillerStove]

So you are saying all protesters want to burn down the federal courthouse? Please no fairy tales. I see what is happening on Youtube.

No, I am saying protestors who went to the federal courthouse after it became widely known that people were trying to torch it on a nightly basis knew what they were doing. The feds only dealt with people who went to the courthouse. They would follow those who left the courthouse and pick them up a block or two out so the crowd wouldn't respond with violence. If you want to talk about overreach of the local cops we can have that discussion, but on a govt to govt response China and the US are not on the same level.

 

[Nicktendo_]

yeah ofcourse i have to be a chinese citizen when I drop truth bombs. the american government is as bad or even worse then China. Pointing out Chinas opression of Hong Kongers and now they have situations like in Portland . Own goal i would say

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[HawarMiran]

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Good boy. Now go to your nearest McDonalds for a free Happy Meal

 

[HawarMiran]

No, I am saying protestors who went to the federal courthouse after it became widely known that people were trying to torch it on a nightly basis knew what they were doing. The feds only dealt with people who went to the courthouse. They would follow those who left the courthouse and pick them up a block or two out so the crowd wouldn't respond with violence. If you want to talk about overreach of the local cops we can have that discussion, but on a govt to govt response China and the US are not on the same level.

My "the american government is as bad or even worse then China " wasn't about how they treat their own people. I should have worded it better. Ofcourse China is much more brutal. People easily can vanish there. I meant the US forreign policy. Stealing medicine from freighters that are on the way to Iran or the Houthi who are facing a famine because of the blockade supported by the US. The list goes on and on. So from an outside perspective I think China is more welcomed in the world then the US. All the wrong doings of the US far outweighs what China is doing to its own people. Simple as that

 

[Zathalus]

China growth was led by pirating Western IP by digital spying by companies like Huawei. Trump ceased this, overtaxed China products in retaliation and since these acts has been heavily persecuted in commie press, commie social media, got nuclear threats by China friend NK, almost suffered impeachment and got an artificially created Chinese virus spreading chaos and misinformation.

China owns not only Epic but the whole of America already. It's too late for any politician to try to go against them. Just bend over and let your commie overlords and bosses fuck you and take away your free speech and impose low wage equal commie salaries...

Oh damn, we got a conspiracy person over here. I suppose the moon landings were fake, Bush did 9/11, the world is flat, and water is turning the freaking frogs gay?

 

[deriks]

Trump: we don't want China to spy on our citizens
Also Trump: we spy our citizens

I could do a meme with the Alien vs Predator quote "no matter who wins, we lose", but that's too much politics for a thread in the gaming side

But... what are the odds to a company outside buying the chinese stake and then China buys it?

 

[Birdo]

Finally some good news for 2020.

 

[Blond]

This is pretty stupid. Just ban it for government employees. TikTok teens aren't a threat to national security. This just feels like grievance for said teens embarrassing him. This dude has a small dick, and huge amount of insecurity. Government shouldn't be used to settle personal grudges.

It goes way deeper than that, dude lol.

 

[TheContact]

1. This is a violation of private property and it’s sick seeing Trump showcase how much of a true communist comrade he is at heart

2. At the same time, this can be a good thing. All these streamer e-sport nerds are gonna lose their “job” and have to do something real.
As well as this may make room for the good of days of multiplayer gaming for adults to come back without being riddled with fruity childish micro transaction trash!

Might be old info since this was on the first page, but the EO only blocks transactions related to WeChat. Riot, Epic etc are not affected, at least as of now.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think Trump is a twat but I’m glad he’s being firm with China.

If only you knew what you were talking about.

 

[Fuz]

It blows my mind that we even do business with China.

lol

Don't you guys have a phone?

Or any electronic device.

 

[TheKillerStove]

My "the american government is as bad or even worse then China " wasn't about how they treat their own people. I should have worded it better. Ofcourse China is much more brutal. People easily can vanish there. I meant the US forreign policy. Stealing medicine from freighters that are on the way to Iran or the Houthi who are facing a famine because of the blockade supported by the US. The list goes on and on. So from an outside perspective I think China is more welcomed in the world then the US. All the wrong doings of the US far outweighs what China is doing to its own people. Simple as that

I'm not sure why you brought up Portland if you were talking about foreign policy, but for what it's worth I'd agree we need to change things. For one, too much of US foreign policy is dictated by the interests of wealthy individuals who can make massive donations to political campaigns. We have done some horrendous things in the name of profit. Honestly, lobbying as a whole is a cancer on our system and I would love nothing more than to see it eradicated. Many of us here in the US are trying to right those wrongs, but I understand the disdain and cant fault you for it.

That said, China has shown no indication they would be any better given the same position of power. You can find evidence of the exact same need to assert their influence in the South China Sea and on the border of India. The only thing preventing China from becoming the same bully on the world stage is time and influence. It might be motivated out of self interest, but this is a good move for everyone except the CCP.

 

[Sophist]

Corps that Tencent has parts in shall be fine as long as they don't pay dividends.

 

[Hendrick's]

This better not screw with my Legends of Runeterra addiction.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Firm about what? Chinese and American business interests are completely aligned. Tons of Trump's prior business dealings involved China. Both countries have mega corporations run by billionaire leeches on society. This is a jingoistic fake controversy stirred up by the Trump admin to generate support from a nationalist base. FBI/CIA/NSA is a much bigger threat to Americans than any Chinese agency or corporation. This isn't even including facebook/google shit.

What were Trump's business dealings with China? Real estate, buying and selling land. That has nothing to do with spying software and backdoors and setting up the US for a social rating system.

It’s all about capitalism until capitalism starts eating the local capitalists.

It is not capitalism to outsource jobs from a country that bans slavery to one that utilizes it.

 

[namekuseijin]

Oh damn, we got a conspiracy person over here. I suppose the moon landings were fake, Bush did 9/11, the world is flat, and water is turning the freaking frogs gay?

no, the moon landingd were a heroic undertaking from very hard-working engineers and scientists, the world is an obvious sphere and water and mainstream media are definitely turning younger generations into a bunch of whining sissies

 

[BacklashWave534]

We may need to call a doctor as this thread may trigger some to have a level 3 TDS breakdown. God forbid, the president makes China pay for spying on American citizens. All that will happen is Tencent will recoup some cash by selling their interest to an American company just like whats happening with TikTok. Crazy how many weirdos would rather have have China take over because the Orange man is bad.

 

[A.Romero]

China, however, is a dictatorship that operates reeducation camps.

Until they get that sorted out and become a democracy, no comparisons with America are valid.

That's fine and all but it just means that they don't comply with the west's particular understanding of how a government should behave.

Everyone else is wrong when seen through one self's morality.

I'm not saying they are great, I'm just saying that they are not particularly awful compared to many other nations, including the US.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It is not capitalism to outsource jobs from a country that bans slavery to one that utilizes it.

Capitalism is all about low wage labour. And slavery is legal in the US, which is why prisons are a booming market.

Either way this move has nothing to do with workers rights.

 

[johntown]

More like rip Trump lmao.

 

[diffusionx]

Pretty based tbh

Fuck off Tencent shills

 

[HawarMiran]

I'm not sure why you brought up Portland if you were talking about foreign policy, but for what it's worth I'd agree we need to change things. For one, too much of US foreign policy is dictated by the interests of wealthy individuals who can make massive donations to political campaigns. We have done some horrendous things in the name of profit. Honestly, lobbying as a whole is a cancer on our system and I would love nothing more than to see it eradicated. Many of us here in the US are trying to right those wrongs, but I understand the disdain and cant fault you for it.

That said, China has shown no indication they would be any better given the same position of power. You can find evidence of the exact same need to assert their influence in the South China Sea and on the border of India. The only thing preventing China from becoming the same bully on the world stage is time and influence. It might be motivated out of self interest, but this is a good move for everyone except the CCP.

I brought it up to underline the hypocrisy. People shouldn't talk about another countries wrongdoings before they don't start to clean their own home. If you talk about one you have to talk about the other. If US politicians start pointing fingers I just can't take them serious.

 

[infinitys_7th]

This (in terms of impact on gaming) looks like fake news:

Tencent Loses $35bn after Trump Executive Order but Fortnite Should Be Fine

The WeChat executive order's fine print was ultimately vague, rumbling financial markets and indicating that after 45 days any transactions via WeChat from anyone inside the U.S. would be outlawed.

www.newsweek.com

Stock prices plunged by about 10 percent in Hong Kong but closed down around half that figure after it was clarified that WeChat was likely to be the sole focus of Trump's order—not the vast amount of other companies Tencent is invested in.

So we banned their spy app and cost the plaguebearers tens of billions, and we still get gamed. Fantastic news.

I'm not saying they are great, I'm just saying that they are not particularly awful compared to many other nations, including the US.

They are currently genociding part of their population, including killing them for organ harvesting and farming them for hair. What is the US doing now comparable to that, aside from our tacit support of their barbarism through economic ties?

Capitalism is all about low wage labour. And slavery is legal in the US, which is why prisons are a booming market.

Either way this move has nothing to do with workers rights.

Capitalism is about people being able to sell their skills in a market. What do the Chinese who make iPhone components have? They are held hostage in a building and cannot even kill themselves thanks to suicide nets and surveillance. They are state property, not independent agents.

I don't agree with the current prison work system, so that whataboutism falls flat.

 

[Honey Bunny]

Just imagining a Dem president doing this while Reps complain how much business it disrupts.

Dems would be the principled moral heroes while Reps would be once again despicably putting profit before people. Supporting the genocide of Muslims, supporting the erasure of worker's rights, the NYT articles write themselves. Easy reverse framing. How many are caught up in that I wonder.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I don't agree with the current prison work system, so that whataboutism falls flat.

It’s not whataboutism because you accused one of two of slavery when both do it. It would be if I brought either a different subject or a different perpetrator.

And for the move to have any moral merit, then the app must be banned, instead of “sold” to a domestic company.

 

[SentientStone]

You were literally exposed to state approved communist propaganda for 4-5 years. And seem sympathetic to it...? Am I reading this right? What do you make f their committing genocide against the Uighurs and censoring basic free speech and stuff? Just trying to get a read on you.


I work with some Chinese people. They grew up on China. Communist China does some very, very bad things, and are showing no signs of stopping any time soon. Even here, they are very careful to only whisper negative things about China.

Trump can be an asshole at times, but I think he’s a net positive he’s for America. I think even beyond Tiktok and spying, this is just part of a bigger chip in his shoulder about negotiating with China. They pick on U.S. companies all the time. Trump has been putting them on notice. ...at this point, the Chinese are just hoping he loses the election so they can get back to things as usual.

In terms of the Chinese Muslims, everything the West claims as “genocide” were measures taken against religious extremists (trained and brainwashed outside of China) who carried out terrorist attack across China prior to 2015. I am sure there were some harsh measures dealt out to some Muslims, but the majority were not involved in “genocide“. They are simply trying to integrate their Muslim ethnic group culturally more with the country in order to prevent future terrorist incidents with training schools and classes to learn Mandarin, etc. I mean in the West people have to learn English to fit in as well. We live in the “free world”, so we take our propaganda as fact... when in fact it is biased rhetoric for geopolitical benefit.

In fact, minority ethnic groups get a lot of benefits that the Han majority does not. It is similar to the diversity stuff the West has implemented.

Actually in China they suppressed the terrorist attack footage within the Mainland because they didn’t want fear to divide the population against Muslims like what happened in the West. But this also ended up screwing them since everything got twisted into an anti-China campaign.