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Trump signs executive order banning transactions with Tencent

Darkmakaimura

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Trump is not responsible for what your Democratic candidate and party did. Sorry. And also the Democrats are the party of the KKK. Sorry.

Aren't the parties pretty much conpletely different and "switched" from the past (i.e. old Democrats were pretty much like Republicans and old Republicans pretty much like Democrats nowadays?)

Hell, I even remember as recently as the 80s how the Democrats were very pro-free speech and Republicans wanted to censor everything and now it's like it's all switched now on those issues.

Anyways, I probably should not talk politics here.

But more on topic I saw this.

 
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Oh so you have no real stance on anything. You’re probably the type that criticizes everything without offering solutions. Good to know.
No, I hate Democrats because they are do nothing corporate sycophants who offer no real solution while basing their whole platforms around woke identity politics like having a female VP. Then after pandering going and illegally drone strike countries

Meanwhile actively sabotaging candidates like Bernie who offer solutions

Democrats in 2020 are just Republicans from 2004
 
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No, I hate Democrats because they are do nothing corporate sycophants who offer no real solution while basing their whole platforms around woke identity politics like having a female VP. Then after pandering going and illegally drone strike countries

Meanwhile actively sabotaging candidates like Bernie who offer solutions

Democrats in 2020 are just Republicans from 2004
Right... right...

You just found it pertinent to compare what happened to Edward Snowden to what is happening to the Uyghurs and in Hong Kong. For some reason?
 
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Yoboman

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Right... right...

You just found it pertinent to compare what happened to Edward Snowden to what is happening to the Uyghurs and in Hong Kong. For some reason?
No, my initial point was that CEOs in America often affiliate to political parties as well, so the Tencent CEO being affiliated with the CCP is not unusual on its own

I posted Snowden because the claim was that China punishes political dissenters and the US doesn't

Dont jump in half way next time and assume its about your precious Trump :lollipop_tears_of_joy:
 

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Deflecting without answering. LOL

So far your whataboutism comparing US policies on an a individual for their actions equates it to the CCP’s policies on a group of people for their race was REAL SMART.
Hol'up, quote me where ive done any of what you are accusing me of.

What started this train:
America doesn't send people who speak up against the Government to reeducation gulags. China does.

You know, a slight difference.
 

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i'm all for banning China and bring industry home. It would also create jobs. We've lost lots of jobs when certain companies moved out to less wealthy countries, I think thats a wrong practice. And I think it might even be possible without jacking up the price. I mean, what you pay for certain brands is actually ridiculous considering the wages the workers receive. I think there is a huge profit margin here that can be lowered to keep the price in the same ballpark despite producing it domestically. Those brands just gain less profits than they used to.

But I don't think Trump is doing this for the sake of his people. If you want to ban spyware out you also have to ban Google, FB etc. Which isn't realistic. Its rooted too deep. And I think i'd rather be spied on by Google than by China or Russia. This mentality probably goes around too.
 
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No, my initial point was that CEOs in America often affiliate to political parties as well, so the Tencent CEO being affiliated with the CCP is not unusual on its own

I posted Snowden because the claim was that China punishes political dissenters and the US doesn't

Dont jump in half way next time and assume its about your precious Trump :lollipop_tears_of_joy:
Snowden doesn’t prove your point. Cause Snowden didn’t just dissent, he actually leaked classified information.

Do I always agree with the law? No. But nevertheless his A C T I O N S were illegal not his “dissent.”
 

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Snowden doesn’t prove your point. Cause Snowden didn’t just dissent, he actually leaked classified information.
He leaked classified information - yes - that showed that the US government was breaking US law/constitution in gathering information on US citizens.

That last classification is kind of important - he was a whistleblower vis-a-vis the US government and is being punished for it.
 
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He leaked classified information - yes - that showed that the US government was breaking US law/constitution in gathering information on US citizens.

That last classification is kind of important - he was a whistleblower vis-a-vis the US government and is being punished for it.
Morals and laws don’t always align.

Sometimes there is no right path. Hence the trolley problem.
 
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The money from microtransactions and loot boxes goes towards gaas games. Personally, I don’t have a problem with seeing them go. If banning business with tencent cuts down that type of stuff, even by a small margin, I’m all for it.

The exclusivity money from EGS doesn’t fund games. It just gives developers a guaranteed set amount of money upon arrival. Both Epic and subsequent developers have said that. It’s more of a safety net.

I never said it had anything to do with rights.
If they banned this gambling practices, companies would find other ways, hopely more fair to make a profit. Also, I am not particularly interested in games where the economy sis based around that, I like AAA games and some cool Indie games, so for me,t hat would not be a loss.

EGS store does fund the end of developement some times, it may even save aproject, but we are not talking only about the epic store. How does this affect Unreal Engine and the hundreds of devs that use it, for example.

I don't see how banning this 2 companies could mean anything good for the players in any sense (and I can even see less how this would help society in any form)
 

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Fuck the CCP

If Trump signed an EO banning ALL trade to and from China I would support it.

I hope that all free, democratic countries do something similar.

FUCK THE CCP

When and if the CCP crumbles and Chinese Democracy becomes a thing - then we can do business again.
 
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China bans all, trump ban tik tok and wechat

America: freedoommmmmm


I’m glad he did it, way too late imo.


Previous company I worked had so many issues trying to release games in China, take that back ccp!
 

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Is GAF sending my data to the CCP? No? Than stop with this false equivalency bullshit.


So I can start a company in China without the blessing of the CCP?
Shut up and stop with the nonsense. How does what the hell you said relate to that tweet or my example. False equivalency my ass. Firstly the tweet was about a country being able to target and track officials. Secondly my data is being sent to the US too. Political ideology aside can you tell me the difference?

The simple fact is people don't like this because it's China. It has nothing to do with some security flaw or possibility that doesn't exist on the other software/tech you use.
 

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The fake outrage on Americans regarding China when their country has been staging coups and wrecking democracy across the world in the last 100 years is incredible. And oh boy, the retards that defend trump are just delicious. You can measure their IQ with an onion.
 

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The fake outrage on Americans regarding China when their country has been staging coups and wrecking democracy across the world in the last 100 years is incredible. And oh boy, the retards that defend trump are just delicious. You can measure their IQ with an onion.
Ok Comrade
 

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The fake outrage on Americans regarding China when their country has been staging coups and wrecking democracy across the world in the last 100 years is incredible. And oh boy, the retards that defend trump are just delicious. You can measure their IQ with an onion.
Maybe you'd be happier living in China comrade.
 
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How do these orders work?
Is it just final?

I am not American so I don't know how these things work, I just remember hearing something about '' orders '' that Trump wanted to give that would have to be voted for and he didn't have the power to give. But I dunno if it was these things.
 

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India also banned TikTok any many other chinese apps.

You liberals need to stop your hate boner for Trump once and look at what China does. Although that doesn't mean Google, etc is any better when it comes to syping.
I’m not a liberal and not even American, just an outside observer of a close ally that is watching a train wreck in action. I have no idea how you can sit by and watch him trash America lives in the thousands per day. You guys started a Middle Eastern war over 3 and a half thousand lives on 9/11 but can sit by as over a thousand per day die right now while your president cuts back on testing to make the numbers look better.

Trump will go down as the single most disastrous president America has ever had.

What you need to do is stop blaming Liberals for all your life’s problems and get a grip on the reality of the situation, walking around with blinders on because he’s in your team.
 

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How do these orders work?
Is it just final?

I am not American so I don't know how these things work, I just remember hearing something about '' orders '' that Trump wanted to give that would have to be voted for and he didn't have the power to give. But I dunno if it was these things.
Executive orders from the President are much, much easier to get rid of. Essentially, they can be overturned by the next President, with a stroke of a pen.

Something that's gone through Congress, however, is enshrined in law, and will take a similar congressional vote to overturn it.
 

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I’m not a liberal and not even American, just an outside observer of a close ally that is watching a train wreck in action. I have no idea how you can sit by and watch him trash America lives in the thousands per day. You guys started a Middle Eastern war over 3 and a half thousand lives on 9/11 but can sit by as over a thousand per day die right now while your president cuts back on testing to make the numbers look better.

Trump will go down as the single most disastrous president America has ever had.

What you need to do is stop blaming Liberals for all your life’s problems and get a grip on the reality of the situation, walking around with blinders on because he’s in your team.
AKA Orange man = bad is your "argument" then?

But srs, where are your arguments? What does 9/11, wars in middle east (that Trump didn't start) to do with China being an authoritarian state?

And lol what? Trump will go down as the single most disastrous president America has ever had. How is he disastrous? The economy and country was doing fine before covid aka a virus originating from China.

Oh I can play this game too; you should stop blaming conservatives/right wingers for all your life's problems and get a grip on reality.

Again, where the hell are your arguments? What he did here was rational and should be a non partisan issue. It's time for you to be critical and stop being a blind Trump hater that swallows whatever coolaid the media puts out.
 
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If you understand how much of a foothold China has around the globe, then you know that this is needed. Unless you are ok with supporting communism and horrific labor practices, amongst a plethora of other things that you hopefully wouldn't want spreading to wherever you live...
We know how much of a foothold the US has around the globe, unless you are ok supporting capitalism, horrific labor practices, a legacy of racism and genocide and starting countless warA among other things (voting in actual retards as president).

This is about the US protecting its interests and nothing to do about taking a stand against “bad” people.

Trump is playing with fire.
 

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Threads like this always make me glad I’m not American, so I don’t have to worry about your fucked up politics and politicians.

Any sanctions on the CCP can only be seen as a good thing, though. Those assholes need to be stood up to.
 
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The fake outrage on Americans regarding China when their country has been staging coups and wrecking democracy across the world in the last 100 years is incredible. And oh boy, the retards that defend trump are just delicious. You can measure their IQ with an onion.
Whataboutism at its finest. Got anything to say about the CCP? Or are you just here to shit on the US about an unrelated topic?

Blind hatred is not a good look bro. An onion is also not a unit of measurement. A high IQ guy such as yourself should know that. Keep trying though, it’s cute.
 

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Trump is an absolute fucking moron and a worldwide joke of a cunt but i have to admit i love his stance on CHY-NAA, constantly referring to Covid 19 as the chinese flu is just brilliant and everyone should be doing it, we should never let these cunts get away from not forgetting the fact that they poisoned the world, plus the less control those communist cunts have over our lives the better, fuck em
 
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Trump finally stepping up his game, I like it. Trump should also ban everything SJW's support, if he does this I will vote for him in a blink of an eye! This will be karma for them censoring everything I find entertaining in the past few years.
 
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It is a problem, but that's capitalism in the 21st century. The markets that exist can not exist without the exploitation of the less fortunate. Cost of living and expenses are to a point where we need a certain amount of income to survive, but manufacturing all the products we use would be impossible to make on workers that would need the wages that we in America would need to survive. Things are not going to just be started to make in America if we cut off ties with China, because US businesses will find another poor country to work with. Markets for all the things that the western world that we've all come to know and accept in our day to day lives are a product of others mistreatment.
Exactly, they would just move production to Taiwan.
 
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Pretty much everyone that's part of the elite is basically required to join the CCP.

I'm not American but at least in my perception it makes no sense to hate on China considering how the the US government behaves.

Just as US can justify having something like Guantanamo Bay or putting illegal immigrant's kids on cages, the Chinese government (from their own perspective) can justify pretty much any human right violation they could commit.

Just as there are Americans that think that arresting people from the streets by using mercenaries is ok because it's to protect private property from protesters, there are Chinese that are OK with suppressing dissidence in lieu of order or nationwide economic success.

Killing threats to the establishment? Both countries... Unless you think Epstein really killed himself.

This is in no way intended to offend. Quite the opposite. The world should not have any society that behaves like that but regretfully it is the hay most nations are.

If we can only see injustice in others we will never be able to change things.

If the excuse is a security concern or retaliation for human right violations, Trump should make a real effort to resolve those very same issues at home first or at least at the same time.

Remember, Chinese didn't steal the manufacturing industry from the rest of the world, companies looking to make profit gave it away and us as consumers enabled them by buying cheap.

Humanity has never been even close to the concept of integrity and justice we would like to be. We should accept that we are not capable and shut up or actually do something different.

Personally, I don't think it's in us to be better.
China, however, is a dictatorship that operates reeducation camps.

Until they get that sorted out and become a democracy, no comparisons with America are valid.
 

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Not a comrade.

Maybe you'd be happier living in China comrade.
Nope. But that doesn't make the US better country.

Whataboutism at its finest. Got anything to say about the CCP? Or are you just here to shit on the US about an unrelated topic?

Blind hatred is not a good look bro. An onion is also not a unit of measurement. A high IQ guy such as yourself should know that. Keep trying though, it’s cute.
I'm not high IQ, nor I said that I am. I also didn't state an onion is a unit of measurement. Maybe... https://www.grammarly.com/blog/metaphor/
 

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Snowden doesn’t prove your point. Cause Snowden didn’t just dissent, he actually leaked classified information.

Do I always agree with the law? No. But nevertheless his A C T I O N S were illegal not his “dissent.”
It was classified because what they did was illegal.

There's a fundamental difference between classifying the technical details of key defense systems and classifying an illicit activity.
 

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Nothing. Tencent has a stake not outright ownership. If this order sticks, Tencent can sell their ownership stake to some other non-Chinese company.
Sony?

Or is Trump doing this as a smoother for MS because they missed out on tiktok? Instead they can funnel that money in to Epic?
 
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Only banned if money is sent via mail, then its fake

Unless its sent via mail from Florida, the its perfectly fine


Am I right......lol
 

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People who vote for Trump = low IQ. You don't vote for Trump = not low IQ = high(er) IQ.
Your metaphor was shit. Do better.
I didn't state my metaphor was good. And yes, you're on the money. A carrot has higher IQ than a trumptard. Hell, a 3.6 billion year rock will as well. Sad to see that the alternative is not much better though.

Anyway, gonna stop feeding the kids. Let's sum this up:

Country that overthrows governments and sends the middle east into chaos while having concentration camps within their borders: GUD DEMOCRACY FREEDOM
Country that is a dictatorship where every single capitalist company drops their production because is cheaper and has concentration camps within their borders: BAD NO DEMOCRACY DICTATORSHIP

That sums this all up.

Bye.
 

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I did live in China recently for 4-5 years recently.
The Western narrative is too dualistic; they focus on half-truths and then they put a spin on it without focusing on the reasons and background of whatever it is they are highlighting.
Then they ignite some preexisting fears and anger based on real circumstances and emotions of parts of the Western public consciousness. America is in competition with China so it is understandable that they are doing this and it is understandable for Western citizens to stick with their team. Ideally China should open up more for Western companies, but it is a bit complicated for social media and other corporations that can influence public consciousness so easily. I am unfortunately stuck in the middle as an ethnically Chinese dude who grew up in the West. :)


It's definitely not because of communism. :messenger_beaming:
You were literally exposed to state approved communist propaganda for 4-5 years. And seem sympathetic to it...? Am I reading this right? What do you make f their committing genocide against the Uighurs and censoring basic free speech and stuff? Just trying to get a read on you.


I work with some Chinese people. They grew up on China. Communist China does some very, very bad things, and are showing no signs of stopping any time soon. Even here, they are very careful to only whisper negative things about China.

Trump can be an asshole at times, but I think he’s a net positive he’s for America. I think even beyond Tiktok and spying, this is just part of a bigger chip in his shoulder about negotiating with China. They pick on U.S. companies all the time. Trump has been putting them on notice. ...at this point, the Chinese are just hoping he loses the election so they can get back to things as usual.
 

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I didn't state my metaphor was good. And yes, you're on the money. A carrot has higher IQ than a trumptard. Hell, a 3.6 billion year rock will as well. Sad to see that the alternative is not much better though.

Anyway, gonna stop feeding the kids. Let's sum this up:

Country that overthrows governments and sends the middle east into chaos while having concentration camps within their borders: GUD DEMOCRACY FREEDOM
Country that is a dictatorship where every single capitalist company drops their production because is cheaper and has concentration camps within their borders: BAD NO DEMOCRACY DICTATORSHIP

That sums this all up.

Bye.
You don't "state" much, do you? Don't back up your words when called out on them. "I didn't state that!" What did you state then? Why are you choosing to use bad metaphors? Is it because you have the IQ of a carrot and are a little bit retarded?

You haven't summed anything up apart from two very different points that have no connection whatsoever. The Bush and Obama administration are not the Trump administration. How many wars has DRUMPF started? How many Middle Eastern wars were started by Bush and Obama? Afghanistan (check), Iraq (check), Libya (check). How many people in previous administrations warned against or tried to prevent US companies exploiting cheap Chinese labour and getting in bed with the CCP? You know, exactly what Trump has been doing since 2016.

I'll wait.

"Feeding the kiiids" :messenger_weary::messenger_ok:

Bye bye.
 

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China spies on us. the US spies on US.. Russia spies on us.. european nations spies on us...
Lets boycott EVERYTHING!!!