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[Freeman]

There is not a single chance in hell that the next God of War is releasing next year.

If it was releasing in 2022 or even 2023, showing it now wouldn't be unusual. 3 years between showing a game for the first time and releasing it is common place now, might even be a smaller windows than most games have.

Cyberpunk was revealed with a trailer 7 years ago, it's still one of the most hyped games releasing this year.

Everwild was shown last year and that ain't making 2021, they don't even know what the game is about yet.

 

[Dodkrake]

It is one of the 40 CUs. They used one of the extra compute units and utilized it for the Tempest Engine. Its hardly something secret.

"The Tempest Engine is a re-purposed GPU compute unit, inspired by the PS3's SPUs with an SIMD performance and bandwidth comparable to eight PS4 CPU cores combined."

PS5's Tempest Engine audio chip is a revolutionary addition to bring 3D audio to everyone

Sony is going big on audio with PS5.

www.google.com

"The Tempest Engine is effectively a re-engineered AMD GPU compute unit, stripped of its caches and relying solely on DMA transfers - just like a PS3 SPU. In turn, this opens the door to full utilisation of the CU's vector units."

Inside PlayStation 5: the specs and the tech that deliver Sony's next-gen vision

Sony has broken its silence. PlayStation 5 specifications are now out in the open with system architect Mark Cerny deli…

www.google.com

"The PS5's Tempest Engine actually leverages an entire GPU compute unit for audio processing."

The PlayStation 5's Tempest 3D audio engine is so revolutionary that Sony may ask you to send a photo of your ears for added realism

Sony is equipping the PlayStation 5 with a revolutionary Tempest 3D audio engine that focuses a lot on positional audio experiences using HRTF methods. The PS5's Tempest Engine actually leverages an entire GPU compute unit for audio processing. Sony will be further improving audio in the years...

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A repurposed CU doesn't mean it's one of the 4. If you have 4 that are faulty, you still need to have the tempest engine.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

A repurposed CU doesn't mean it's one of the 4. If you have 4 that are faulty, you still need to have the tempest engine.

LOL at your avatar.

 

[sonyfifa]

I wonder if they can use one or more of the disabled cu's for deep learning super sampling.

That way they add a new feature.

 

[Kuranghi]

I put more stock in Dr. Nick Riviera:

 

[JLMC469]

GT7 showed a nearly complete lap on trial mountain. You may better have seen their show before you talk..

Pop in, bad textures, 2d trees. That game is 2-3 years out (at least).

 

[Nemesisuuu]

RDNA3? Please, call me when it's at least RDNA5.

 

[Whitecrow]

Come on guys, it's not that hard.

It's not that PS5 it's RDNA3, it's more like what Sony and AMD developed together will be featured in the upcoming RDNA3.

Can we end the stupid jokes now pls?...

 

[Nemesisuuu]

Come on guys, it's not that hard.

It's not that PS5 it's RDNA3, it's more like what Sony and AMD developed together will be featured in the upcoming RDNA3.

Can we end the stupid jokes now pls?...

No.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Every game will look fucking good on next gen.

Doesnt matter if its ps 5 or xbox.

 

[Inviusx]

So if I'm reading this right, due to Microsoft announcing Fable, the PS5 is using RDNA 3.

Gotcha.

 

[ManaByte]

Next they'll claim Sucker Punch has a Ghost sequel set on mainland Japan ready to announce next month.

 

[Nemesisuuu]

Every game will look fucking good on next gen.

Doesnt matter if its ps 5 or xbox.

That's the best part of it, these discussions that lead nowhere, while games will look spectacular on both consoles.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Every game will look fucking good on next gen.

Doesnt matter if its ps 5 or xbox.

Have you seen titanfall halo?

 

[GHG]

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Don't see how they would make changes like that so close to launch. Unless Sony already knew and they deliberately put out "downplayed" specs at the road to PS5 conference which is highly unlikely.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Next they'll claim Sucker Punch has a Ghost sequel set on mainland Japan ready to announce next month.

God of War 2 has been in development for over two years now. The idea that it could release in a little over 3 years isn’t too out there, even though I don’t believe it.

 

[Clear]

2022 seems about right for GoW2. Especially as they'll have been targeting PS5 from the start with full access to ICE team tech.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Have you seen titanfall halo?

I already like the whole visuals of this gen. Red Dead Redemption 2, Last of Us 2, Horizon Zero Dawn..... they will just upgrade it a bit more. Everything looks good already. I dont want realistic graphics anyway.

I hope they focus more on Open World Content Design, AI Processes and other stuff. Getting rid of Loading Times is huge for me too. Even more than another graphical upadte.

No need to spend so much on graphics when the game feels empty xD

 

[AncientOrigin]

You all forget road to PS5 was mid March and even then all the knowledge that Cerny had was already a bit older maybe a few weeks atleast.They didn’t made the video 2 days before it was probably already made few weeks prior.The PS5 is supposedly in production since June so from the video till production of the PS5 are atleast 4 months in between so lots of time to let any of the Hardware rumors be true.Especially basic things like upclocking the CPU Or GPU or faster ram.I am optimistic that atleast the CPU will be upclocked minimum 100 better 300 wouldn’t even raise the Watt really or heat maybe 3—4 degrees which is nothing.

 

[Azurro]

I wonder if they can use one or more of the disabled cu's for deep learning super sampling.

That way they add a new feature.

CUs are disabled as a way to improve yields, if a couple of the CUs are faulty in a 40 CU design, then it's fine, as you only 36 of them to be functional.

They are exactly the same as the other CUs, and need to be consistent across all PS5s.

If yields are good enough that instead of turning off 4 CUs, they can get away with only turning off two, then those "extra" CUs would be exactly the same as the other ones.

So, to answer your question, no, there wouldn't be any special instructions in it that aren't in the other CUs.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Don't see how they would make changes like that so close to launch. Unless Sony already knew and they deliberately put out "downplayed" specs at the road to PS5 conference which is highly unlikely.

Well, I don't think it's going to happen either, but it's not a wild suggestion, it's still the same chip design with the same number of CUs. They are things that can be tweaked relatively easily.

The logic behind the rumor is that the yields are so much better than expected that you could only turn off two CUs instead of 4, swap the ram chips and increase the cpu frequency. I'm no hw engineer, but there should be some headroom as the increase doesn't sound like anything massive.

 

[THEAP99]

If it was releasing in 2022 or even 2023, showing it now wouldn't be unusual. 3 years between showing a game for the first time and releasing it is common place now, might even be a smaller windows than most games have.

Cyberpunk was revealed with a trailer 7 years ago, it's still one of the most hyped games releasing this year.

Everwild was shown last year and that ain't making 2021, they don't even know what the game is about yet.

Oh yeah I’m not saying it won’t be show this year. I’m just saying there’s like 0 chance it’ll release next year

 

[thelastword]

This brute has no right to doubt anything tbh......


As for RDNA 3 features, I called it even before RedGamingTech and now MLID. However you phrase it, the PS5 is more customized and I think I've already highlighted how revolutionary the Geometry Engine is. Anybody who is following Sony is aware that the roots of the Geometry Engine started with the PRO with it's customized architecture with the ID buffer, DCC, Workload Distributor etc......It's why Cerny also coined up Geometry rendering in the PRO days....

As for the hardware upgrades, I think it's possible based on the exotic cooling solution PS5 has. As Cerny already stated, they could have gone higher on GPU clocks, but they wanted better stability, who knows how things improved since then....It also needs to be said that the GDC presentation talk was not done the day it was released on Youtube, it was made way before that. Who knows what's possible. So yes, a 100Mhz bump is not out of the ordinary for the CPU, I'm pretty sure that can be done via a firmware update. It's also nice to hear that yields are great, that 7nm process has matured quite well. AMD should be giddy with RDNA 3 and Navi 2X.

I think all in all, the technologies and products coming in the next few months are pretty exciting. I'm glad AMD is in the game to make this all happen. They've revolutionized the CPU, GPU and APU space and they deserve all the success they get.....Sony and it's customized hardware over the years has really made console hardware interesting. Moreover, devs are excited for PS5 in droves, whether it's due to the geometry engine, the SSD, the tempest audio, the haptics or the inevitable VR unit, you could feel the excitement from them wrought by something revolutionary.....When you innovate and push boundaries, instead of the same old, same old, people take notice and gravitate to it...

 

[the_master]

GT7 showed a nearly complete lap on trial mountain. You may better have seen their show before you talk..

That was not real gameplay. Or did they show something else, link?

 

[SilentUser]

I watched the video. Ive actually been waiting and expecting something dealing with a HW bump. It would have to be timed so there couldnt be a counter reaction. So maybe during price announcements, pre order, OS being showed, etc..

It very much fits their style. Remember the 4GB to 8GB jump that no one knew about? Not even developers.

MS also knows this though and could be doing the same.

The massive jump in RAM was a big surprise to everyone, I mean, 4gb to 8gb! Damn. That was much, much harder to believe than what this youtuber said, specially when you consider the gains in percentage (they are generally small). Exactly because of that, being such a small increase in general, that won't matter much if this never happens.

 

[Javthusiast]

Lol.

Every generation, every side comes up with bullshit like this (or the so called 'insiders').

Trust me bruh, my aunt that works at sony knows her shit.

 

[Nikana]

Honestly I think "Moore's Law is Dead" is just a guy who gathers any internet rumor he can find regardless of their veracity and then comes to conclusions that will allow him to title a video to generate the most clicks, probably because his channel doesn't seem very popular.

He posts a bunch of links below his video, I think to show his "sources" but I clicked through them and these are just well known rumors, some of them are very old, and none of them are relevant to his conclusions. They don't prove what he is saying what so ever. It's sort of trick by association. It just seems like an underhanded way of trying to relate what he is speculating with reliable sources, despite the fact the connections between the two are tenuous at best.

I generally do not put a lot of stock in what he says because I don't think he has any real inside sources. He's basically a rumor aggregator and then speculates on the sum of the rumors. Don't get your hopes up based on anything he says.

You just described YouTube tech/gaming sphere.

 

[G-Bus]

I don’t know what any of that mumbo jumbo means but God of War sounds great

Do we really need a more realistic looking God of War?

After the last of us 2 I'm starting to wonder if there's a line of realism and gore being too much.

 

[namekuseijin]

no VR, no BUY

 

[mancs]

new shader tech , would mean , photo-real like active lighting?

 

[TGO]

So if I'm reading this right, due to Microsoft announcing Fable, the PS5 is using RDNA 3.

Gotcha.

 

[lastmessiah]

Hilarious thread. Gonna be a laugh riot when these consoles release.

 

[Gediminas]

That was not real gameplay. Or did they show something else, link?

so what it was? fake gameplay? gameplay made in dreams?

 

[CrysisFreak]

Orgasm time boys!

 

[Xplainin]

A repurposed CU doesn't mean it's one of the 4. If you have 4 that are faulty, you still need to have the tempest engine.

Unless there is an extra CU on the GPU giving it 41, which isn't possible, then that's exactly what it means.
It was actually a very smart decision to use one of the disabled Cu's for something else.

 

[Dodkrake]

Unless there is an extra CU on the GPU giving it 41, which isn't possible, then that's exactly what it means.
It was actually a very smart decision to use one of the disabled Cu's for something else.

Or maybe you're wrong.

 

[Xplainin]

It is not one of the disabled CUs, because by definition it wouldn't be disabled and useless for redundancy purposes, wouldn't it?

Second, well, you read the information, but didn't understand it, Sony took the basic design of the CU and customised it to create the Tempest Engine and added it as an extra piece of silicon.

It is 100% one of the disabled Cu's. You can try and play semantics of you want, but that doesn't change the fact.
Google the term "re-purposed".
Heck I will do it for you.
"Repurposing is the use of something for a purpose other than its original intended use"

Just stop.

 

[fermcr]

I heard from an insider that the PS5 will be able to play PC, Xbox Series X and Switch games.
Isn't that unbelievable!... you can play PS5, PC, Xbox Series X and Switch games with one console.

 

[Phoebe Buffay]

....that the most recent Xbox game show would announce Fable 4 and that it wouldn't reveal the price and release date of the Xbox Series X

.

Oh really? Who would've thought.

 

[HawarMiran]

Some people are too stupid to understand what is said in that video. PS5 GPU WILL HAVE FEATURES THAT WILL GO INTO RDNA3. NOBODY SAYS PS5 GPU IS RDNA3.

 

[Xplainin]

Or maybe you're wrong.

No I'm not. But think What you will.
You need to work out how AMD are going to add an extra CU onto the GPU when it isn't able to have uneven numbers of CUs by design?
And WTF would they totally redesign how Navi Gpu s are built so they can add an extra CU on the die for the Tempest Engine when they have 4 they can use?
Seriously, are people just so Damm desperate to think a known liar like Moore's Law is right they are willing to totally ignore how AMD, and Nvidia for that matter, make their GPUs.
Jesus Christ.

 

[thelastword]

so what it was? fake gameplay? gameplay made in dreams?

Now that you've posted this, there are many little details I didn't even observe before. GT7 is going to look so bonkers on release.....That lighting is just on another level...Also do you realize how quickly you go from choosing the track to racing, this is going to be great for redoing trials....If gameplay looks so good right now. I don't want to see what replays look like just yet....

 

[Dodkrake]

No I'm not. But think What you will.
You need to work out how AMD are going to add an extra CU onto the GPU when it isn't able to have uneven numbers of CUs by design?
And WTF would they totally redesign how Navi Gpu s are built so they can add an extra CU on the die for the Tempest Engine when they have 4 they can use?
Seriously, are people just so Damm desperate to think a known liar like Moore's Law is right they are willing to totally ignore how AMD, and Nvidia for that matter, make their GPUs.
Jesus Christ.

First of all, you're the one that's wrong, but I'll cover that in a moment. Second of all, here's my comment regarding Moore's Law is Dead, as you're assuming shit you shouldn't:

Before commenting, I want to say I really appreciate your summary, which I will be trusting in my response below. Nothing nasty I may have to say is directed at you. Without furter delay, here we go.

1. I honestly believe some architecture both Sony and Microsoft developed with AMD will feature in RDNA 3, so this doesn't shock me. What does shock me are claims that it runs circles over MS's architecture. Sorry, don't buy it
2. Will be calling bullshit on this one
3. This sounds reasonable. Ray Tracing scales with both CU's and Frequency, plus if Sony added some of their own customization, they may have great capabilities that wouldn't be possible in similar systems
4. Bullshit. Unless Sony figured this out 6 months ago, it's not happening
5. Bullshit. See comment above
6. Bullshit. See comment above
7. Possible, but not probable
8. Nothing to comment on

Now, for the Compute Unit conundrum. Even if you are repurposing a Compute Unit, it does have its customization for it to be an Hardware Controller for audio. You don't just magically say "You shall henceforth be known as Tempest Engine" and boom, its done. That said, here's how you're wrong

Scenario 1: In this image, all Compute Units are ok and ready to rock. This means that your theory would work, as you have 40 CU's to play with and you can simply repurpose one of them. However, you need to actually say "only the Middle Left Square can be the Tempest Engine" because TE has its own set of customizations.

Scenario 2: Now, you have 2 Cu's that are disabled due to one of them being faulty. Your PCB is still peachy, because you only need 6 out of these 10, and you can still have one Tempest Engine in the middle left. Cool beans!

Scenario 3: Woops, we have problems! Now, even though you have 8 out of 10 CUs, so 4 pairs are still cool, but your whole PCB is garbage because your TE designated CU is faulty or part of a faulty pair. So we guess we just recycle it and pray the next one is right!

What you seem to not understand is that the TE is a separate unit that is not part of the 40CUs, even though its based on one. It's still in your whole APU, but as a separate hardware unit.

 

[hemo memo]

I just want to preorder the damn thing.

 

[Xplainin]

First of all, you're the one that's wrong, but I'll cover that in a moment. Second of all, here's my comment regarding Moore's Law is Dead, as you're assuming shit you shouldn't:



Now, for the Compute Unit conundrum. Even if you are repurposing a Compute Unit, it does have its customization for it to be an Hardware Controller for audio. You don't just magically say "You shall henceforth be known as Tempest Engine" and boom, its done. That said, here's how you're wrong

Scenario 1: In this image, all Compute Units are ok and ready to rock. This means that your theory would work, as you have 40 CU's to play with and you can simply repurpose one of them. However, you need to actually say "only the Middle Left Square can be the Tempest Engine" because TE has its own set of customizations.

Scenario 2: Now, you have 2 Cu's that are disabled due to one of them being faulty. Your PCB is still peachy, because you only need 6 out of these 10, and you can still have one Tempest Engine in the middle left. Cool beans!

Scenario 3: Woops, we have problems! Now, even though you have 8 out of 10 CUs, so 4 pairs are still cool, but your whole PCB is garbage because your TE designated CU is faulty or part of a faulty pair. So we guess we just recycle it and pray the next one is right!

What you seem to not understand is that the TE is a separate unit that is not part of the 40CUs, even though its based on one. It's still in your whole APU, but as a separate hardware unit.

Wrong. Its one of the disabled CUs on the die.
Go and show me where Cerny has said it isn't.
Its a repurposed CU. Its not another addition. You cannot add a single CU onto a GPU to give 41 total. Its impossible.
Look into shader arrays and how they are set up on AMD cards.

 

[Dodkrake]

Wrong. Its one of the disabled CUs on the die.
Go and show me where Cerny has said it isn't.
Its a repurposed CU. Its not another addition. You cannot add a single CU onto a GPU to give 41 total. Its impossible.
Look into shader arrays and how they are set up on AMD cards.

One last time:

Repurposed CU =/= one of the 40 CU's. It just meants that the custom hardware block has hardware that is derivative from a CU, that's all. it's still a customized unit.

But I guess you don't understand that, so here's another picture:

 

[Freeman]

Every game will look fucking good on next gen.

Doesnt matter if its ps 5 or xbox.

Tell that to 343i.

 

[hemo memo]

Every next-gen only game will look fucking good on next gen.

Doesnt matter if its ps 5 or xbox.

Ftfy

 

[GeorgPrime]

Tell that to 343i.

Some things.... are just.... more diverse....like..... modern art.... i guess

 

[Xplainin]

One last time:

Repurposed CU =/= one of the 40 CU's. It just meants that the custom hardware block has hardware that is derivative from a CU, that's all. it's still a customized unit.

But I guess you don't understand that, so here's another picture:

Lol. Everything is based on compute. Lighting, textures, audio, everything.
I guess the XSX 3D audio chip is also a repurposed compute unit as well.
Its a REPURPOSED COMPUTE UNIT.
It could not be spelt out any clearer than it has been.
Even Corky from Life Goes On understands it is at this point.

 

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