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[Psykodad]

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Please, explain it to me like I haven’t worked on a released game before. I’m curious.

No it wont.

Gimping UE5 on other platforms because of a 250mil share of a 17billion dollar company is a laughable fanboys wet dream.

UE5 will be designed to make full use of the PS5 SSD.
No matter how many Tflops XSX has, PS5 can move double the data in the same amount of time. It won't be just loading screens.
Just like that Dirt 5 dev said, you could have (for example) a section in a game where there's an elevator in the XSX version, whereas that isn't necessary for PS5.

UE5 will automatically scale to whatever the hardware it's running on allows.

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Please, explain it to me like I haven’t worked on a released game before. I’m curious.

Seems kinda weird to me that when you worked on a released game before, you can't see the possibilities being able to move double the data could bring.
And how being able to move only half would automatically be downscaled.

 

[Kagey K]

That cut seems a bit to small to get anything susbstantial from.

Maybe ad rights to multiplat games, or timed exclusivity.

From what I’ve gathered it works to roughly a 1.5% stake.

 

[Kamina]

So Epic Game Store will be Sony Game Store soon?

 

[Gavon West]

What would you do if I donated $10?

Film you banging out a Gamecube?

...that's all i got. I cant...

 

[VincentMatts]

UE5 will be designed to make full use of the PS5 SSD.
No matter how many Tflops XSX has, PS5 can move double the data in the same amount of time. It won't be just loading screens.
Just like that Dirt 5 dev said, you could have (for example) a section in a game where there's an elevator in the XSX version, whereas that isn't necessary for PS5.

UE5 will automatically scale to whatever the hardware it's running on allows.

lol jesus you sound like such a fanboy. Go ahead and keep dreaming.

 

[Psykodad]

lol jesus you sound like such a fanboy. Go ahead and keep dreaming.

I sound like a fanboy when I literally repeat what devs and engine/hardware designers say?

 

[Airbus Jr]

I dont understand the purpose of this decision

Sony already have their own in game engine for their game

Whats the point of giving money to multiplatfrom developer like Epic

 

[CatLady]

No it wont.

Gimping UE5 on other platforms because of a 250mil share of a 17billion dollar company is a laughable fanboys wet dream.

Hey don't pick on him. He's trying to put some kind of positive spin on this humiliating revelation after he and his Sony brothers in arms were all so proud of Sweeny's PS5 praise & PR that turns out to be bought and paid for

 

[Nikana]

They're not gimping anything.
XSX will run less details at higher res/performance.

Hasn't this been discussed already?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

UE5 will be designed to make full use of the PS5 SSD.
No matter how many Tflops XSX has, PS5 can move double the data in the same amount of time. It won't be just loading screens.
Just like that Dirt 5 dev said, you could have (for example) a section in a game where there's an elevator in the XSX version, whereas that isn't necessary for PS5.

UE5 will automatically scale to whatever the hardware it's running on allows.

Impressive. Everything you just said was either wrong, or badly told. Very impressive.

Hell you even chucked in a reference to loading screens, even though nobody mentioned them. Awesome.

+5 blue points for you, well done.

However, as I’m tired of the fanboy wars, and saying the same shit over and over, I can’t even be arsed to explain. Somebody else take over, lol. I mean this one seems like an easy case. But for me, I’ll just block and continue.

 

[Bojanglez]

I dont understand the purpose of this decision

Sony already have their own in game engine for their game

Whats the point of giving money to multiplatfrom developer like Epic

This is probably as much for Sony's music and movie arms as it is for PlayStation, allowing those brands to offer experiences within Fortnite and stuff like that.

 

[sonomamashine]

Sweeney is a joke alongside people who believed him.

 

[AV]

Man, they won't be, but if PS exclusives in the future were also on PC on day one? I'd buy the most fucking outlandish PC possible.

 

[Psykodad]

Impressive. Everything you just said was either wrong, or badly told. Very impressive.

Hell you even chucked in a reference to loading screens, even though nobody mentioned them. Awesome.

+5 blue points for you, well done.

However, as I’m tired of the fanboy wars, and saying the same shit over and over, I can’t even be arsed to explain. Somebody else take over, lol. I mean this one seems like an easy case. But for me, I’ll just block and continue.

Then i challenge you to show where I was wrong, because everything I said was factual.

Unless you like to misinterpret my post because it's me who says it.

 

[DeeDogg_]

Sweet! They love the PS5 tech so no wonder.

i laughed irl

 

[VincentMatts]

Impressive. Everything you just said was either wrong, or badly told. Very impressive.

Hell you even chucked in a reference to loading screens, even though nobody mentioned them. Awesome.

+5 blue points for you, well done.

However, as I’m tired of the fanboy wars, and saying the same shit over and over, I can’t even be arsed to explain. Somebody else take over, lol. I mean this one seems like an easy case. But for me, I’ll just block and continue.

depends how much you pay? Im expensive.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Some fans are thirsty to pile jump at any "Sony pony" on sight. Embarrassing to watch the attempt at Psykodad. He's handling it well I gotta say.

 

[Psykodad]

Some fans are thirsty to pile jump at any "Sony pony" on sight. Embarrassing to watch the attempt at Psykodad. He's handling it well I gotta say.

Lol it's okay, I'm used to it. All part of the game.

We'll see what's up soon anyway and someone's gonna have the last laugh.

 

[pasterpl]

So now we know how much sweeny is charging for promoted tweets

 

[SlimySnake]

I sound like a fanboy when I literally repeat what devs and engine/hardware designers say?

after today i wouldnt repeat anything these people have to say. we should learn by now that their words are hollow, influenced and mean nothing. remember when Andrew Reiner, klee game fan and Colin Moriarty said devs told them PS5 was more powerful and had more tflops?

Remember when Jason Schrier said the PS5 is superior in a lot of other ways, not to mention revolutionary? well, we all saw the conference and we didnt see anything remotely close to revolutionary, let alone superior. its all BS.

At the end of the day, the universal truth is that tflops matter. whoever has the most tflops, has the best console. all the engine shit is something gamers will never get to see.

 

[Tomeru]

Allof this just for some ps5 skins in fortnite?

 

[fermcr]

DO IT SONY! BRING YOUR EXCLUSIVES TO THE PC EPIC GAME STORE... I wouldn't mind that.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Some fans are thirsty to pile jump at any "Sony pony" on sight. Embarrassing to watch the attempt at Psykodad. He's handling it well I gotta say.

Nobody jumped on anything. But if you (he) come into a thread and start spouting the same BS that’s not even true and has been proven be factually false time and time again, and have no actual knowledge on how to back up those claims, even more so when the thread itself isn’t even about that...

...what do you expect to see?

Better to just ignore these people at the end of the day, they serve nothing to the actual conversation and have about as much technical know how as my mother in law.

Console Wars just ain’t worth it man. It’s not. Both systems have their good points and bad. And that’s that. Acting like Ps5 will cure cancer and produce visuals twice as good as Xbox? Makes you sound like a muppet. Having not only developed for retail titles in the past and also on a prominent RTX title that’s used as a benchmark in many ways, including worked with SSD development pipelines and IO optimisation, I just have to sit and smile at people like that. Ask him what the IO throughput is of each machine is in a realistic setting, not a controlled one? What it’s relationship is like with memory? At what speed? How is the GPU is fed? What’s the delta per frame when the full operation has been handed off? How that is handled in a normal optimised pipeline? There’s no doubt the ps5 is a great machine, no doubt. But twice the detail in visuals, twice the speeds, you’re dreaming. 2gbs versus 1gbs does NOT mean twice the speed. There are dozens of other factors at play, and not all of them in sonys favour. In fact, very few are. Numbers only tell part of the story, and loading screens are not the major factor.

Just... play the games. Dont play THE game. Phil and Cerny won’t be signing your chest, no matter how quick you get on your knees, man...

 

[Lethal01]

They basically designed the PS5 so Sony has to pay back somehow.

They what? Source?

 

[FacelessSamurai]

They're not gimping anything.
XSX will run less details at higher res/performance.

Hasn't this been discussed already?

Where has this been said? You’re basically spreading fud, you are making this up.

 

[Lethal01]

While it’s like, what, a percent of the company worth, money does open doors man, you know that.

I mean it was obvious Sweeny was brown nosing for a reason, saying shit that didn’t quite seem right. The UE5 demo for one only needed a 500mbs drive to work, something far far slower than the Xbox one even, and yet... (that sort of visual fidelity doesn’t even work with deformable skeletons either, so no player models But anyway, this explains a fair few odd things.

Though to be fair, Tim’s nose has been up Sonys arse for a very long time. It’s par for the course that every new gen, he comes out to speak highly of them. He HATES Microsoft and makes no secret about it.

Doesn’t change unreal engine being a great engine mind you.

It only need 500mbs to work, it needs a lot more too lood as good as it did.

 

[jakinov]

Epic is an awesome company to invest in. Significantly more and more games are using them every generation. This is a minority stake in the company. Sony won't have a lot of power over them. Epic Games will still operate as its own entity and work in the interest of itself and to all stake holders. They won't need to suck up to Sony unless they want to borrow money or want to sell more of their company to them in the future. As I said in the Leyou thread, Sony is likely looking for gaming companies for investment purposes and not to strengthen PlayStation. And if you notice it's the CEO of Sony talking about the deal and not PlayStation execs. The stake Sony purchased is likely between 1-3% of the company.

Companies invest into other companies all the time. Microsoft put in $150M into Apple and $240M into Facebook in the past as investments.

Also it's funny that when Bloober, Dirt devs and Scorn devs who all likely have marketing deals with Microsoft praise the Xbox it can be trusted but Epic can't be trusted because the Sony buys a small part (which isn't free money) of them in the future? Epic isn't the only one praising the the PS5 either, the guy from Crytek and John Carmack.

 

[GHG]

That's the Fortnite marketing partnership sewn up for next gen then.

 

[Psykodad]

after today i wouldnt repeat anything these people have to say. we should learn by now that their words are hollow, influenced and mean nothing. remember when Andrew Reiner, klee game fan and Colin Moriarty said devs told them PS5 was more powerful and had more tflops?

Remember when Jason Schrier said the PS5 is superior in a lot of other ways, not to mention revolutionary? well, we all saw the conference and we didnt see anything remotely close to revolutionary, let alone superior. its all BS.

At the end of the day, the universal truth is that tflops matter. whoever has the most tflops, has the best console. all the engine shit is something gamers will never get to see.

Fair enough, but since people like to stick to specs, they speak for themselves. As does the fact that UE5 will scale based on said specs and PS5 can transfer double the data of XSX in the same amount of time.
Thus XSX will be able to some things to a lesser extent.

PR doesn't change that.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

UE5 will be designed to make full use of the PS5 SSD.
No matter how many Tflops XSX has, PS5 can move double the data in the same amount of time. It won't be just loading screens.
Just like that Dirt 5 dev said, you could have (for example) a section in a game where there's an elevator in the XSX version, whereas that isn't necessary for PS5.

UE5 will automatically scale to whatever the hardware it's running on allows.

Edit:


Seems kinda weird to me that when you worked on a released game before, you can't see the possibilities being able to move double the data could bring.
And how being able to move only half would automatically be downscaled.

I hope you are just trolling lol, because nothing in any of your posts makes any freakin sense whatsoever

 

[Psykodad]

Where has this been said? You’re basically spreading fud, you are making this up.

If you can stream double the data, you can theoretically stream higher detailed assets .
Or vice versa.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

Lol it's okay, I'm used to it. All part of the game.

We'll see what's up soon anyway and someone's gonna have the last laugh.

Or, as some might say, thelastword ...

Is this an alt account, am I dreaming here?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This deal could only be done on the PS5. The XsX SSD doesn't pay out $250M

Half the speed, half the shares. .75% for them.

 

[Psykodad]

I hope you are just trolling lol, because nothing in any of your posts makes any freakin sense whatsoever

What?
Are you referring to what that Dirt 5 dev said about the elevator?

 

[SlimySnake]

Fair enough, but since people like to stick to specs, they speak for themselves. As does the fact that UE5 will scale based on said specs and PS5 can transfer double the data of XSX in the same amount of time.
Thus XSX will be able to some things to a lesser extent.

PR doesn't change that.

but how is that I/O speed being used? You saw 24 games at their conference, one game was utilizing the ssd. so instead of ratchet falling through the portal for 1 second, it would be 2 seconds on xbox? who cares at that point?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Reeee thread about this is hilarious.

 

[sonomamashine]

Should have invested those 250mill for emulating ps1, ps2, ps3 games on the ps5 or additional TeraFlops.

 

[Lethal01]

I hope you are just trolling lol, because nothing in any of your posts makes any freakin sense whatsoever

It makes no sense that the PS5 SSD can move twice as much data in the same amount of time? And that UE5 was designed to use it's features? These are some pretty basic statements.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Or, as some might say, thelastword ...

Is this an alt account, am I dreaming here?

Not enough full stops, imo

Anyway, taking a back seat now, enjoy the thread folks, looks like it’s going to be a fun ride

 

[geordiemp]

Maybe Sony saw a good investment opportunity.
Unreal engine is also used in movies.....

Lol at all the fanboy drivel.

 

[Psykodad]

but how is that I/O speed being used? You saw 24 games at their conference, one game was utilizing the ssd. so instead of ratchet falling through the portal for 1 second, it would be 2 seconds on xbox? who cares at that point?

(More) pop-up, less details?
We haven't seen any 1-to-1 comparisons yet.
But loading also goes for something like turning around in a game. The hardware needs to have the data ready right?
The more data you can access, the data you can load in.
These things have been discussed a lot the past few months. And I may not be that knowledgeable about game design and hardware, getting the general idea isn't rocket-science.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
But like I said, people are free to correct me on anything. Still haven't seen anyone do that, just some shitposting without addressing much.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Epic deserves this.

Fortnite has been a revalation. Kudos to the team.

 

[Nikana]

(More) pop-up, less details?
We haven't seen any 1-to-1 comparions yet.
But loading also goes for something like turning around in a game. The hardware needs to have the data ready right?
The more data you can access, the data you can load in.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
But like I said, people are free to correct me on anything. Still haven't seen anyone do that, just some shitposting without addressing much.

Bro... Many people have tried to correct you. Publicly and in PMs and you refuse to listen to anything other than what you want to hear. You even admit you don't read everything that people post in response to you. So don't act like you are some middle class hero who doesn't pick sides.

We all know what color you bleed. Give it rest already.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Considering that Microsoft is wealthier than Sony, they could invest even more money into Epic than Sony. Hence, whatever benefit that Sony is getting as a result of this investment shouldn't be something that would give them an advantage over Microsoft, should it?

 

[sonomamashine]

I'd love to see the responses of a handful of people, who adamantly argued against the possibility of a partnership between the two companies.

Lol busy preparing a good defense.

Lmfao at everyone who came at me when I had the audacity to suggest there was money involved with all Tim’s hype.

You're not alone my friend, i got jumped too

Maybe Sony saw a good investment opportunity.
Unreal engine is also used in movies.....

Lol at all the fanboy drivel.

Maybe you where saying this :

Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We’re Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers

The only people who talk 24/7 about TFLOPS are the Xbox marketing guys and their fanboys, and that's at least since the Xbox One X. Why would Sony fanboys even bring it up?...having the inferior TF number and all?

www.neogaf.com

Microsoft: We Could Have Used Variable Clocks for Xbox Series X, But We’re Not Interested in TFLOPS Numbers

The only people who talk 24/7 about TFLOPS are the Xbox marketing guys and their fanboys, and that's at least since the Xbox One X. Why would Sony fanboys even bring it up?...having the inferior TF number and all?

www.neogaf.com

 

[kebaldo]

I love Sony and I've been on the "defensive side" sometimes... but this time.... daaaamn this smells bad for the console war shit lol
If Sony trys to climb and acquire Epic it's a monster move... but for all the stuff said till now.. lol

 

[Psykodad]

Bro... Many people have tried to correct you. Publicly and in PMs and you refuse to listen to anything other than what you want to hear. You even admit you don't read everything that people post in response to you. So don't act like you are some middle class hero who doesn't pick sides.

We all know what color you bleed. Give it rest already.

I have no problem picking a side, should be pretty obvious by now.

But like I said in a previous post, we'll see soon enough anyway. Next-gen isn't far off and I don't mind being proven wrong at all.
We'll see what's up in a few months.

Edit:

Besides, many also claimed that KZSF and Infamous were CGI and not possible on PS4 back in 2013.
All that knowledge those many have doesn't always seem to translate well into reality.

 

[Ascend]

Spoiler

notice how he didn't say there was no marketing deal. He said there was no secret deal. And indeed it's not a secret. It's quite obviously a marketing collaboration between the two. Do we need an official statement of all the games shown for Inside Xbox to know that it was a marketing collaboration? No. So why is it needed for the UE5 demo?

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Gran turismo is a good way to make a showcase of specs. Note: I am not fan of the simulator but maybe with the VR will be different If you've not done it, sim-racing in VR is next-level. My first try was with an Oculus DK2 using LiveForSpeed, and I ended up ordering a headset within hours of...

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When they talk about the PS5 really enabling them to do X, they are saying it that way because they have a partnership and marketing deal with Sony. It does NOT mean that ONLY the PS5 can do that.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Whoever said that might have been mistaken with that "XsX will have instant access to 100gigs at 4.4GB/s news headline" https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox-velocity-architecture-100-gb-is-instantly-accessible-by-the-developer-with-a-i-o-throughput-of-4-8-gb-s.1532436/#post-257451660 Definitely...

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And if you can't see the obvious partnership between Epic and Sony here, I don't know what to tell you. Epic is trying to make their own engine look as awesome as possible so that it gets wide adoption. Sony is trying to make the PS5 look as powerful as possible, so they sell more consoles and games.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

A LOT of reminders about how the triangle density scales with the GPU though ;) Well spotted, even if true.

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It's about money, obviously... And why do you think PS exclusives are starting to pop up on the Epic Game Store?
Whether Epic pushed Sony to deliver this I/O is possible, but is still speculation. The fact is that they are partnered up, and both are working together to make money. Obviously, they are going to talk each other up.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

I just realized something... With Epic demonstrating ripping film assets from Quixel and Z-Brush proving how good content can look on early PS5 hardware, can you imagine how Sony 1st parties can do even better on final devkits... WITH ATOM VIEW??? *faints*

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And I bet those were among the posts that got me thread-banned from there... But wait. There is more!

Spoiler

Even though saying this in here can possibly get me killed, it was a marketing partnership between Sony and Epic.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Way higher just the announcement of the reveal will be worth a dozen pages :) Edit: We are doing about 10 pages a day if the announcement comes with a teaser image that may be worth 20 pages. With over 2 weeks to go we will be pushing 2150 is my guess. We should have a poll on which page...

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Yeah because it makes total sense for the developer of a multiplatform engine to advertise and keep mentioning one specific console every chance he gets, even when it's not relevant to what he is explaining.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

It's in his Twitter replies when pushed by someone to make a comparison. He's also equally unable to give any indication when asked what kind of PC specs are required, saying he doesn't know, but we'll be able to benchmark UE5 soon enough. He's very clear on the distinction between engine and...

www.neogaf.com

And the best one... Where I posted an article by Forbes, saying there most likely was a marketing deal, only to get slammed, ridiculed, accused of 'copying opinions' and a bunch of other nonsense;

Spoiler

Right now I feel like Shepard talking to the Council. Let me just throw this here.;

The simplest explanation is probably the right one here, that Epic has some sort of marketing deal in place with Sony and PlayStation, either for this presentation specifically (which was in effect an ad for the potential and power of the PS5) or perhaps more broadly with more collaborations to come down the line.
As a part of marketing campaigns, you often get notes as a stipulation of the arrangement where you’re not supposed to mention or promote the competition of the entity you’ve done the deal with. In this case, I could easily see the Epic team being told before this “please don’t mention Xbox,” hence all the back-breaking linguistic twists and turns they did to avoid mentioning it at all.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

PS5 tab has been there for a while. Wayback Machine says it's been there since March 19, the day after Mark Cerny's The Road to PS5 talk. EDIT: It's now been 2 months already since the talk. Man... We're that much closer. Almost to June already.

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The truth is always revealed... All it takes is time...

 

[Arkam]

This investment has (almost) nothing to do with the praise from Epic on the PS5. Those accolades are because Sony has spent the last couple years working WITH Epic on the PS5 and what will become UE5. UE5 (and likely the PS5) would be very different if not for that collaboration. It’s no more complicated than that.

This money here looks more like Sony wanting to bring PS Studio games to a second platform (PC) and this is the way that gives the SOME control. Plus Sony is really focusing on Chinese market and this investment ties them to Tencent. Pair that with acquisition Sony is trying to make in China.... it’s all pretty obvious. Stop reading tea leaves.... the answers are in plain text.

 

[Nikana]

I have no problem picking a side, should be pretty obvious by now.

But like I said in a previous post, we'll see soon enough anyway. Next-gen isn't far off and I don't mind being proven wrong at all.
We'll see what's up in a few months.

Then stop saying no one has tried to correct you are it's only been shit posting. Cuz that's utter horse shit.