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Business Sony invests $250 million in Epic Games

MaulerX

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No I can't tell you with a straight face that Sweeny went on twitter to pr speak stuff he doesn't actually believe, for a company who'm doesn't care what he says on twitter, and fight some twitter battles on behalf of said company, just because of an investment

Yeah, i'd really struggle saying that with a straight face



He laid many praises about Tencent as well when they bought nearly half the company. How they were a great company. Suuuure they are Tim.

The guy talked shit about the MS store on PC for years. Only for him to step in and do the same thing (if not worse) with the Epic store.

The guy praises Sony (PS5) and literally says "There is no deal between us". And later we find out that there IS indeed a deal and that it's worth $250M in his favor.

Tim Sweeney is a hypocrite and a liar and has a history of influenced opinions when it betters him and his company. His opinions have ZERO credibility. It's pretty darn obvious at this point.
 
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He laid many praises about Tencent as well when they bought nearly half the company. How they were a great company. Suuuure they are Tim.

The guy talked shit about the MS store on PC for years. Only for him to step in and do the same thing (if not worse) with the Epic store.

The guy praises Sony (PS5) and literally says "There is no deal between us". And later we find out that there IS indeed a deal and that it's worth $250M in his favor.

Tim Sweeney is a hypocrite and a liar and has a history of influenced opinions when it betters him and his company. His opinions have ZERO credibility. It's pretty darn obvious at this point.


He said there was no marketing deal. An investment isn't a marketing deal
 
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The guy who he responded too


Tim Sweeney clearly said "Secret deal" which encompasses everything.

Regardless, an actual investment is even more profound as Sony is partly his boss now. His opinion of Sony/PS5 carries no more weight than any other biased Sony employee.

And you REALLY believe they weren't in talks about this "investment" at the time of the demo?
 
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Tim Sweeney clearly said "Secret deal" which encompasses everything.

Regardless, an actual investment is even more profound as Sony is partly his boss now. His opinion of Sony/PS5 carries no more weight than any other biased Sony employee.

And you REALLY believe they weren't in talks about this "investment" at the time of the demo?

Jesus christ

He responded to someone claiming they have a marketing deal, stating they have no such "secret deal". Sony buying into their stock doesn't change that.

Do I need to teach you how to put 1 and 1 together?

I know you guys don't like to understand context, but its a vital skill to have in life

Edit - Also lmao no. Owning 1.4% of their shares does not make them his boss. That's absolutely nonsense
 
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Jesus christ

He responded to someone claiming they have a marketing deal, stating they have no such "secret deal". Sony buying into their stock doesn't change that.

Do I need to teach you how to put 1 and 1 together?

I know you guys don't like to understand context, but its a vital skill to have in life

Edit - Also lmao no. Owning 1.4% of their shares does not make them his boss. That's absolutely nonsense


Did you read the part where he said

"serious investment discussions followed from the demo"

That right there is proof positive that there were in fact "investment discussions" before the demo. Just that they got "serious" after the demo. He's clearly choosing his words carefully. You believe what you want to believe tho.
 
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Did you read the part where he said

"serious investment discussions followed from the demo"

That right there is proof positive that there were in fact "investment discussions" before the demo. Just that they got "serious" after the demo. He's clearly choosing his words carefully. You believe what you want to believe tho.

Yes don't worry I can read fine unlike yourself

They were interested in the Demo. Not what Tim says on twitter. There was no marketing deal that had him praise Sony.
 
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MaulerX

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Yes don't worry I can read fine unlike yourself

They were interested in the Demo. Not what Tim says on twitter. There was no marketing deal that had him praise Sony.


You keep cherry picking the term "marketing deal". Your arguing semantics.

There was a deal.

It was discussed before the demo.

It got serious after the demo.

His opinions were obviously influenced because why wouldn't he praise his partner and investor? If don't like that observation that's too bad. I'm not the only one who can see thru this.
 
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You keep cherry picking the term "marketing deal". Your arguing semantics.

There was a deal.

It was discussed before the demo.

It got serious after the demo.

His opinions were obviously influenced because why wouldn't he praise his partner and investor? If don't like that observation that's too bad. I'm not the only one who can see thru this.

You don't understand semantics. There is a massive influential difference between Sony buying a minority stake in Epic (1.4% lmao), and moneyhatting for a marketing deal (the thing he claimed there was none of)

Do you see Tim sucking the dicks of all the other companies that bought a minority stake? No. He has absolutely no need be doing that, outside of maybe Tencent since it's him and Tencent that actually influence the company.

It's amazing anyone actually believes this nonsense that dicksucking actually influences these businesses to invest
 
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Sony is really spending some hard cold cash around, and doing it smartly. Wonderful investment! Now all multiplats using UE5 will look easily better on PS5 compared to any other platform due to ease of optimization and support of PS5's strength.

This is how you spend your money, ladies and gentlemen.
 
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... and still after the bulk of the work on UE5 was well underway, but this proxy war against anyone that speaks well about PS5 must not care for things like that.

If we want to apply the same metric people are trying to apply here, financial deal == he lied and exaggerated to make PS5 look good, then we need to take any statement by any company/individual either MS or Sony has a financial bond with (that removes all PR documents, all first party developers, all DF interviews [given by company employees]) and also take published specs as completely theoretical peaks with unknown bottlenecks in sight.

Not that crazy and leaves the forum with little to talk about until well after both of the consoles launch.

I've been doing exactly that though :LOL: Even when the MS 1st party speak on XSX, I've been saying "just keep in mind these are 1st-party devs so of course they'd be saying good things.". Doesn't mean they're"lying" per se or everything they say is false, that'd be ridiculous. But exaggerating select feature benefits or a little teeny weeny bit of embellishment here and there? Yeah, that can happen.

Some of the studios with deals lined up with MS have done it, and some with deals lined up with Sony have done it. FWIW Tim has a history of greatly boasting/exaggerating Sony hardware going back to the PS2 days, so word of this deal going down combined with that history of his just makes it all look a bit more peculiar.

Ultimately though does any of it really matters? Probably not. We'll probably get a lot more Sony 1st-party using UE5 though, and that's all around a good thing.

(hello non standard 12 priority levels for data requests)

Uh...it's six, mang. Six priority levels, not 12. You're mixing up priority levels with channels.

The other stuff, essentially, is you having a different opinion on what I brought up and that's perfectly fine. But bringing up cache scrubbers doesn't necessarily fit into what we were talking about as that's a GPU feature and not on the I/O block. The cache coherency engines are, and I already highlighted those are more to ensure it functions properly since the I/O block has a dedicated processor with DMA to the memory bus.

So while I appreciate you elaborating on what the cache coherency engines are for, that doesn't change the fact it's a necessity in Sony's design moreso than a "cherry on top" efficiency boost (though ultimately it does also help in that area); an SSD I/O setup doesn't necessarily need cache coherency engines in order to be a more efficient SSD I/O setup unless other parts of the architecture demand that type of setup. Just as an example, a design setup simply utilizing CCIX over PCIe 4.0 could theoretically achieve the same results with a simplified design, but it only makes sense if the rest of the architecture of the system design calls for it. That's all.
 
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do you even grammatics, bro?
It depends, if who I am talking to deserves the effort I can write very well. But if that person is lazy with his thoughts I like to be lazy in my grammatics, but don't worry I always make sure what I said makes sense. :messenger_winking:
 
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It's amazing anyone actually believes this nonsense that dicksucking actually influences these businesses to invest




To use your language, "dicksucking" will absolutely get you nowhere. But perhaps $250M can.

It's more amazing that you deem it implausible that Tim Sweeneys praise had absolutely nothing to do with the deal they were working on. Of course it was. You're not convincing me otherwise.
 
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To use your language, "dicksucking" will absolutely get you nowhere. But perhaps $250M can.

It's more amazing that you deem it implausible that Tim Sweeneys praise had absolutely nothing to do with the deal they were working on. Of course it was. You're not convincing me otherwise.

Thst doesn't even make sense? Now Tim's paying the $250M?

And i'll ask you like i've asked everyone else. In what world do billionaires go on twitter praising corporations with the assumption that it will lead to monetary gain? Its nonsense
 
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Thst doesn't even make sense? Now Tim's paying the $250M?

And i'll ask you like i've asked everyone else. In what world do billionaires go on twitter praising corporations with the assumption that it will lead to monetary gain? Its nonsense


In this world buddy.

Tim Sweeney doesn't do or say anything that's not for the betterment of himself or his company. It's called a partnership and companies and corporations praise their partners all the time. In what world have you been living on?
 
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In this world buddy.

Tim Sweeney doesn't do or say anything that's not for the betterment of himself or his company. It's called a partnership and companies and corporations praise their partners all the time. In what world have you been living on?

Look at his twitter account. He is always non stop talking about development crap.

Do you think he's shitting on apple in tweets for the betterment of him and his company?

That people only open their mouth when there's some gain to be had is the dumbest thing i've heard yet.
 
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Market alerts today, Sony stock is climbing nicely probably from this news.

Happy investments are happy!
 
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Wow!!!!

I don't how this plays out. I know there's absolutely no way Fortnite becomes console exclusive obviously, or anything like that. But something will come from this.
yes, of course...more pc games exclusive to egs including bloodborne.
 

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He laid many praises about Tencent as well when they bought nearly half the company. How they were a great company. Suuuure they are Tim.

The guy talked shit about the MS store on PC for years. Only for him to step in and do the same thing (if not worse) with the Epic store.

The guy praises Sony (PS5) and literally says "There is no deal between us". And later we find out that there IS indeed a deal and that it's worth $250M in his favor.

Tim Sweeney is a hypocrite and a liar and has a history of influenced opinions when it betters him and his company. His opinions have ZERO credibility. It's pretty darn obvious at this point.
Wasn't his criticism of the Microsoft (Windows) store relating to the fear of them creating a closed ecosystem with the Universal Windows Platform apps? I think many were worried about that, it's the same reason Valve created Stream Machines and started investing in Linux. It looks like MS have eased off from that vision though.

To be fair he had also had similar issues with lots of platforms' stores. He was livid that Google dared to ask for 30% of digital sales in the Google Play Store, so until recently Fortnite was withheld from it.

I'm still not sure what people's beef is with the Epic Games Store, I guess it's something to do with paying for timed exclusives? But if you don't like it, stunt use it. It's business.
 
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Yes. He was clearly implying that the deal is not a secret, but public. But people interpreted it as if there was no deal at all, which was clearly not the case for anyone that was using at least 1% of one of their 100 billion brain cells.
He's good with wordplay to make people think he means something else while still getting the true message across.

Just to make it clearer....

There's not some secret deal. 100% of the stuff we've been working on with Sony over the past months is now publicly announced

He never said there is no deal.
 
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I'm still not sure what people's beef is with the Epic Games Store, I guess it's something to do with paying for timed exclusives? But if you don't like it, stunt use it. It's business.
Sony has been doing timed exclusives and no one complained.
I have zero hate towards the Epic Store, I got about 30 free games from them, it still hasn't replaced my steam preference, but I see no reason to hate them.
They are trying their best to improve, also this was very nice of them toward developers
The Epic Games approach to publishing fundamentally changes the developer/publisher model, and aims to have the most developer-friendly terms in the industry, so that creators can focus on making great games.
  • Full creative freedom and ownership. Developers retain 100% of all intellectual property and full creative control of their work.
  • Fully-funded projects. Epic Games Publishing will cover up to 100% of development costs, from developer salaries to go-to-market expenses such as QA, localization, marketing, and all publishing costs.
  • 50/50 profit sharing. Developers earn a fair share for their work -- once costs are recouped, developers earn at least 50% of all profits.
Of course it's all business, but stuff like this can only be good for us gamers.
 
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Yes. He was clearly implying that the deal is not a secret, but public. But people interpreted it as if there was no deal at all, which was clearly not the case for anyone that was using at least 1% of one of their 100 billion brain cells.
He's good with wordplay to make people think he means something else while still getting the true message across.

Just to make it clearer....

There's not some secret deal. 100% of the stuff we've been working on with Sony over the past months is now publicly announced

He never said there is no deal.
The money part wasn't public.

Goes to show the deal has been ongoing for a lot longer than 2 months, except the financials weren't disclosed.
 
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Tim Sweeney clearly said "Secret deal" which encompasses everything.

Regardless, an actual investment is even more profound as Sony is partly his boss now. His opinion of Sony/PS5 carries no more weight than any other biased Sony employee.

And you REALLY believe they weren't in talks about this "investment" at the time of the demo?

I don't think you understand what "minority shareholder" means...
 

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The money part wasn't public.

Goes to show the deal has been ongoing for a lot longer than 2 months, except the financials weren't disclosed.
The money is rarely public. If it was always public, people would see a lot easier through the PR talk.
 

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Sony has been doing timed exclusives and no one complained.
I have zero hate towards the Epic Store, I got about 30 free games from them, it still hasn't replaced my steam preference, but I see no reason to hate them.
They are trying their best to improve, also this was very nice of them toward developers

Of course it's all business, but stuff like this can only be good for us gamers.

There's nothing good about exclusivity for gamers. Especially when it divides a single platform. If someone wants to buy all their games on Epic, or install and use 500 million launchers, that's fine with me, but it should all be a customer option.
 

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There's nothing good about exclusivity for gamers. Especially when it divides a single platform. If someone wants to buy all their games on Epic, or install and use 500 million launchers, that's fine with me, but it should all be a customer option.
Competition is always good for gamers, monopolies are the worst for consumers.
Same reason why hoping that physical totally dies in favor of digital only is stupid.
On that I think we agree.

However, Epic / steam /gog launchers are all on the same platform (PC), they are not a different platform, only thing you need is double tap on a different desktop icon. Consoles have been doing exclusives for years and gamers got used to it.
The good for gamers part was refering at my quoted section, where Epic Games is offering developers to cover 100% of their expenses and they will leave full creativity and the IP rights to the developers, so we won't see good IPs destroyed again as it happened in the past.
It looks like a very nice deal to me for us gamers, with developers having freedom to create what they want without external influence. They are not as bad as people think, they got this weird bad stigma for no reason.
 
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It was obvious to me so much praise from Epic for the PS5 had to be a part of a partnership deal. As a Sony biased person I said it in other threads before this investment was public.
 

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Sony looking to sure up its income as it moves to sell games rather than consoles.

Epic game store is the future of playstation exclusives.
 

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Sony has been doing timed exclusives and no one complained.
I have zero hate towards the Epic Store, I got about 30 free games from them, it still hasn't replaced my steam preference, but I see no reason to hate them.
They are trying their best to improve, also this was very nice of them toward developers

Of course it's all business, but stuff like this can only be good for us gamers.
Most of the complaints I've seen revolve around convenience of having everything within Steam. Many people don't seem to care about the benefits of competition and the disadvantages of a monopoly. Even in SVOD, people are mad that major content distribution companies adapted to streaming to the Internet and are launching their own streaming services instead of being all available on Netflix because they are upset about the slight convenience of managing another subscription or switching apps. These people would probably rather see shopify and wal-mart go out of business so that they could have a one stop shop for everything at Amazon for convenience.
 
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It would be smart if Sony goes the extra mile and throw the same amount for Unity. They seem to be throwing money all over the place lately, but smartly.