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Xbox Series S/Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X

Speaking on the Beyond3D forums, eastmen, who has proved in the past to have access to Microsoft insider information, revealed that the Xbox Series S will be half the price of the Series X, come in a small form factor and it will be an all-digital console. The insider doesn't know the final pricing for the Xbox Series X, and thus the Series X, but he had heard that Microsoft was prepared for a $400 Xbox Series X.

"Last I heard it be half the price of the XSX and last i heard MS were prepared for a $400 XSX. I am not sure what the final price will be. I think if sony is $500/$600 MS may try to go in at $200/$400/$500 but we will see"

"MS will make up any losses they take by getting a higher cut of game sales and more subscriptions. Pricing also depends on what Sony does. MS doesn't have to go as extreme in pricing if sony prices itself higher."

"But from what I"ve heard from all my sources July isn't about sony , July is about the industry and they want it to be a night of mic drops . They are going to come hard with the strategy they have been building up to for years and they want google , amazon , apple , sony and yes Nintendo to shaken up . So expect a series of Mic drop moments followed by the price being the key part of all this."

"That's why I think Lockheart is a key device in their strategy. Its low cost gateway that they can control to make sure the hardware can handle their new compression techniques they will employee with xcloud over the next few years. The plan for Lockheart is to get into price categories they were never able to hit before and I believe based on listening between the lines that they expect lockheart to at some point make it down to fire tv size . Also the size of the first lockheart will surprise everyone."

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what do you guys think of this.
 

Breakage

Member
I wonder if it will actually look like this fan-made design:

lockhart.png


It would be like Microsoft's sophisticated take on the GameCube.
 
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SleepDoctor

Banned
Im honestly not a fan of the Lockhart situation. Even if it is going to be the same thing with just a lower res/fps.

The xsx should be used as the main to competitively price against the Ps5. Force them to drive their price down as well.
 

TheAssist

Member
It still sounds like fairy tale stuff.
MS had lost so much money with the XBox in the early years, that I am not even sure if they ever broke even (a lot of the money from the 360 era was spent on the RRoD). So XBox division going up to MS and saying, hey how about we lose some serious money now? Maybe it pays of, maybe it doesnt.

People seem to think that subscription models turn around a lot of money when it really doesnt. Its super low margin, which is why only the biggest players get in. I dont think gamepass is making them money right now, its way too cheap and not enough people have it. Yes 10 Millions sound like a lot, but its nothing compared to Spotify, Amazon Prime, Netflix, or even Disney plus. Also music, TV shows and movies are arguably easier, faster and cheaper to produce.
Plus they are losing money from regular sales and licensing and may lose some 3rd publisher support. All while HEAVILY subsidizing a console?
Their subscriber numbers need to be in the hundreds of millions for that. I dont know if the brand is strong enough for that.
I dont know, maybe they want Xbox to be the windows of gaming or something, we'll see. But I find is highly unrealistic atm.
 

MoreJRPG

Suffers from extreme PDS
Series X at 399 would be absurd and probably the best deal on a console launch in gaming history. You need to drop ~$1500 for a PC at those specs. I don’t believe it for a second unless their internal numbers show just how much revenue Gamepass generates for them that would allow them to eat a loss like that.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
$200 lockheart is worth it, it’s basically a gamepass machine since all of XSX exclusives and some indie games will hit it day one. They are really trying to undercut Sony for real.

I really don't think this is the case, and I think it's going to really fucking confuse a lot of mainstream consumers.

Use RE8 as an example. Rumour has it that it's being ditched for Xbox One and PS4 because it's too much to handle - even on the official website, there is no mention of those consoles. Seems reasonable. Big new next gen release.

So, it's too powerful to run on an X1X, a beefy £400 machine, but it's going to run on Lockhart..? Is Lockhart more powerful than an X1X but it's still going to be a cheap budget model? What happens to the value of X1X, does it plummet? Are X1X owners about to get royally screwed in the pooch? Will there be an upgrade program?

It's all so confusing. MS can't release more info fast enough.
 

SleepDoctor

Banned
Series X at 399 would be absurd and probably the best deal on a console launch in gaming history. You need to drop ~$1500 for a PC at those specs. I don’t believe it for a second unless their internal numbers show just how much revenue Gamepass generates for them that would allow them to eat a loss like that.


I honestly don't see either lower than $499 but I'd like to be wrong. The more I look at it, the more I wonder who will undercut who.

Sony invested heavy in the ssd and thats pretty much it but its said to be very expensive. We only have 825gb of space as well vs 1tb. And there's no telling if thats before or after the space the os takes up. Its something im taking more into consideration with how ridiculous updates and game installs are now (cod 240gb).
 

OutRun88

Member
The price points are really hard to believe. $400 and $200? It just doesn't seem right, though I wouldn't complain if this comes to fruition.

Either way, Lockhart is an awesome idea to increase the player base in the ecosystem.
 

48086

Member
I really don't think this is the case, and I think it's going to really fucking confuse a lot of mainstream consumers.

Use RE8 as an example. Rumour has it that it's being ditched for Xbox One and PS4 because it's too much to handle - even on the official website, there is no mention of those consoles. Seems reasonable. Big new next gen release.

So, it's too powerful to run on an X1X, a beefy £400 machine, but it's going to run on Lockhart..? Is Lockhart more powerful than an X1X but it's still going to be a cheap budget model? What happens to the value of X1X, does it plummet? Are X1X owners about to get royally screwed in the pooch? Will there be an upgrade program?

It's all so confusing. MS can't release more info fast enough.
Lockhart will definitely be more powerful than the x1x. Lockhart’s gpm/cpu/memory will be the same as the series x. The cpu might be a little less powerful but I’m not expecting it. They will be cutting price by offering 500gb and no disk drive. My guess is:

x1x- $200
Lockhart - $300
series x - $400 or $450 depending on what Sony does.
 
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Deleted member 775630

Unconfirmed Member
Both those prices would be insane... $200 for Lockhart is crazy unless they really have a much weaker CPU and slower SSD, and $400 for the XSX is laughable knowing the internals. Microsoft would take a huge loss on each console with that pricing.
 

chigstoke

Member
That would be a tsar bomba of a price reveal. £200/£400 would be incredible. I still cannot see it happening but Christ on a bike, if it does...

Wait and see though. The conference isn’t till next month, do not get your hopes up because that is the worst thing you can do with consoles.
 
Lockhart will definitely be more powerful than the x1x. Lockhart’s gpm/cpu/memory will be the same as the series x. The cpu might be a little less powerful but I’m not expecting it. They will be cutting price by offering 500gb and no disk drive. My guess is:

x1x- $200
Lockhart - $300
series x - $400 or $450 depending on what Sony does.
He said that x1x is discontinued.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Lockhart will definitely be more powerful than the x1x. Lockhart’s gpm/cpu/memory will be the same as the series x. The cpu might be a little less powerful but I’m not expecting it. They will be cutting price by offering 500gb and no disk drive. My guess is:

x1x- $200
Lockhart - $300
series x - $400 or $450 depending on what Sony does.

So "project lockhart" is literally just Xbox Series X Digital Edition? I'm having a hard time finding a single concrete thing (I don't think there are any to be honest) but everything I remember reading points to Lockhart essentially replacing the discontinued X1X. Guess there's no proof of anything at the moment so it's hard to say.
 

Mattyp

Gold Member
Both those prices would be insane... $200 for Lockhart is crazy unless they really have a much weaker CPU and slower SSD, and $400 for the XSX is laughable knowing the internals. Microsoft would take a huge loss on each console with that pricing.

We expect them to price it at $500 to break even, they price it at $400 take a $100 hit per console, $300 million in the race to the first 30 million where manufacturing and pricing would of come down by this point... It's nuts to think $400 price at all I just can't see it. But... $300 million at the end of the day if they think it will give them 50/50 market share against Sony for an entire generation is peanuts to Microsoft when you take into consideration improved gold and gamepass numbers.

It's crazy, but not outside of the realm of happening crazy.

Think of this way, as a company with over $130 billion just in cash reserves sitting around doing absolutely nothing would you spend $300 million up front to guarantee billions more in return for that $300 million over the span of 8 years? I would.
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
MS can absorb it more than Sony due to bank.

Sure MS has enough income to support ventures that fail to turn a profit for extended periods, but they generally don't because that's not how you run a business!

I also find it somewhat illogical that despite moving towards a digital subscription/sales centered business model, they are going to piss away their profits by subsidizing hardware that isn't actually essential for their platform-agnostic future!
 
If it has decent specs, I would get one. Else would play xbox games on pc only (not a very powerful one).

Getting a console is special though. Would just get one.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
This article made me actually more hyped for Lockhart than Series X lol. But 400 for XBX$? No way, this time around there won't be any gimmicks that would differentiate the price between next-gen consoles like it was with PS3/X360 and XB1/PS4. Same for 200$ for Lockhart - 299? I can believe it? 249, at a slight loss maybe, sure, but 199? Cheaper than even XB1SAD? No way. Unless MS really, REALLY want's to go all in into this generation, taking quite a loss on every single console sold, hoping it will drive insane sales numbers really fast, which in return will indeed turn into large profit in the long run.
 

wolffy71

Banned
$200 is pretty hard to believe. But if im gonna try to come up with some reason its possible... it has to be much less capable, much cheaper to make, better margins, or some combo there of. Its not simply a little less powerful.
 

Alx

Member
$200 sounds much too low for a new console, even one with lower specs. That's already much lower than the price of current gen hardware !
But although I'm having a hard time justifying the purchase of a SeriesX, for $200 I'd gladly add a Lockhart next to my TV. :p
 

McHuj

Member
I don't know if the XSX can cost $400, but I think it will end up being priced in line with the PS5 digital edition. I don't think lockhart can hit $199, but $249 might be doable.

I think we'll see this: Lockhard $250 < XSX=PS5 Digital $499 < PS5 with Drive $599.


While the cost different between the PS5 digital and drive maybe less than $30-50, that might not be reflected in their pricing. Sony maybe willing to take a bigger loss on the digital version since the consumer is locked into their store and no used games. The other assumption people are making about the drive one is that it will be sold at cost. Sony may choose to sell that one at a small profit so I can easily see something like a $100 difference between the two SKU's. There really are many possibilities here.
 
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