Shmunter
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Eh? Are you genuinely oblivious to the fact that ps5 has a bespoke processing unit for streaming and decompressing the data from ssd into ram directly? No cpu involved.
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PS5's SSD is "far ahead" of those found in high-end PCs, according to Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney
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DoctaThompson
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You won't. Just people doing their daily spinning to their liking. If this was exclusive to Sony, it would have been stated. If there were discrepancies between consoles, why wouldn't Sweenie speak up about it? He has no allegiance to Microsoft, Sony, or AMD. Both consoles will still use their engine either way. Many devs are outright speaking about differences between the consoles, or which ones they prefer. One of the devs even said the demo plays pretty good on pc with a 2070. But you have neckbeards coming out of the woodworks with all kinds of naysaying.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He did not hurt me any, but he likes to deal in downplay FUD from time to time.
Where did he touch your heart? You seem to know very little about someone you want to go to bat for.
VFXVeteran
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We aren't comparing hdd to ssd. I have ssd compared to ssd. And that's a 2X of speed. You also are coming up with silly numbers out of thin air. Stop quoting 100GB of data. That's just silly. Lastly, don't think that this is not scaled down to manageable memory. Read the paper I put up a few pages back. It'll enlighten the lot of you.
DoctaThompson
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So is the cpu just idle the whole entire time? Is that where people got the idea that Sony could replace the cpu for another SSD, since it's just there for shits and giggles?
DeepEnigma
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Dude quit clownin’, you’re just as bad as everyone else shitting up all these threads with your PCMR mouthbreather garbage.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
VFXVeteran
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The application needs to process that ram dude. It doesn't just go straight to the GPU for processing. You do know how the 3d graphics pipeline works right? That hasn't changed.
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DoctaThompson
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Because you don't agree with me, or logic for that matter, you resort to personal attacks? Great way to win a debate young lad
. You can simply ignore me if you'd like. 
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sendit
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Sigh.......how are you vetted agian?
Shmunter
Member
We’re not talking about running an application, we’re talking about getting data from the ssd into ram.
VFXVeteran
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Right. If I'm saying something completely false, I'd love for you to tell me what. Don't just drive by with a silly comment.
VFXVeteran
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We are talking about running the application. It doesn't happen by itself. The data is fetched from SSD and stored into RAM and then processed by the GPU. Don't get into this argument unless you are willing to show me some code. I'm tired of you guys playing armchair developer where your only means for argument is from what you read online. Show me some skills or keep quiet.
Papacheeks
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Real kicker is I like Alex, but his background is not that of a graphics engineer. He use to do coding and web stuff from what i know. Has a good handle on pc tech, and a lot of engine jargine. But talking on a pure level of engine back end stuff when it comes to development he seems to have tunnel vision in his assessment.
Bryank75
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Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.
Looks like the PS5 SSD was key to allowing the detail...according to PC gamer.
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ethomaz
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That is an expansion board with support to 4x M.2 SSD.
It is not a SSD.
The board costs $160 if I’m not wrong.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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He wont get into console wars for no reason. That said he mightve slipped when he said impossible without sony breakthroughs.
Shmunter
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Only you are talking about running an application. Trying very hard to obscure the fact that consoles have a seperate i/o processor handling the dma between storage and ram without any cpu load.
Why the trolling bro, why all the effort.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Because you don't agree with me, or logic for that matter, you resort to personal attacks? Great way to win a debate young lad
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Bryank75
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He's actually an engineers engineer, Phil is the salesman!Guys...Tim is a salesman salesman salesman. Just remember that.
When his team goes on stage with a Series X version, he will sell the same time.
And then the same thing when he joins Nvidia Ampere presentation. He may even return today with Jensung!
JareBear: Remastered
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No, YOU are the salesman, SIR. That hat and that smile are exactly what a salesman would disarm with me.
I don't want no snake oil.
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DoctaThompson
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This is how I feel about several people on here who read something online, then can't explain how or why something works.
Shmunter
Member
Sweeney said it himself directly. The whole thing was a PS5 showcase.Fast SSD storage is key to the Unreal Engine 5 demo's super detailed scenes
Along with a good GPU, you'll need a speedy drive if you want to run UE5 games at the level of detail shown in the demo.www.pcgamer.com
Looks like the PS5 SSD was key to allowing the detail...according to PC gamer.
Thirty7ven
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PC enthusiasts acting like they won’t spend another 2000$ in upgrades along the next three years.
Also “PC”, I have a PC. My PC won’t give me 4K60, hell it doesn’t give me 4K60. Gives me 1080p with almost every setting at max though. Wait, that’s not PC enough?
You’re the 1%, remember that when you try to spread your wings and get the whole PC platform under your shadow. Fact: vast majority of PC gamers will need more than a 399-499$ upgrade if they want to match the PS5/XSX. They will need a whole lot if they want bragging rights.
When consoles are compared to PC, the comparison should be the average gamer, not the 1%.
Also “PC”, I have a PC. My PC won’t give me 4K60, hell it doesn’t give me 4K60. Gives me 1080p with almost every setting at max though. Wait, that’s not PC enough?
You’re the 1%, remember that when you try to spread your wings and get the whole PC platform under your shadow. Fact: vast majority of PC gamers will need more than a 399-499$ upgrade if they want to match the PS5/XSX. They will need a whole lot if they want bragging rights.
When consoles are compared to PC, the comparison should be the average gamer, not the 1%.
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DoctaThompson
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Are you a neckbeard? Don't recall quoting you or implying that I was referring to you? Guilty? I could recommend some razors if you'd like....
Can we get back on topic now?
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JareBear: Remastered
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This is what Sweeney said
Yes, today was about praise for the PS5 BUT that does NOT have to come at the detriment to the XsX. You have to reach to find "XsX can't run this demo" in anything written today. For all we know the XsX has made big enough breakthroughs as well.
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ethomaz
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It was Tim (Epic) that confirmed that the demo needs to have less detail to run on Xbox.
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Watch the interviews read the quotes from the actual developers. Tbey say the same without ssd this level of detail aint possible.This is how I feel about several people on here who read something online, then can't explain how or why something works.
JareBear: Remastered
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MrTroubleMaker
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Tim loves cash, will say anything for it.
DoctaThompson
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Yet one of the very same devs said it's available on both, next gen consoles, it runs pretty good on pc, it's coming to phone, and you could get reduced performance from running on a HDD (so ps4 and Xbox 1 could suffer if they release games in 2021). Watched the videos, read the articles, and have seen the comments. It's possible. The devs themselves said so.
ethomaz
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PS5 doesn’t use CPU to take SSD data to RAM... there is co-processors to that job.
Shmunter
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All the techniques shown are possible on the XsX. No disagreement.
But if any of that demo was pushing 5.5gig stream, then XsX would not be able to sustain the same result. I though I was clear on this in my prior reply to you. Why ignore such a basic premise.
Look, 3rd party games for the most part will likely target XsX streaming capability and as a result will look better on XsX. Some may scale up and down giving PS5 the edge. Nothing more to it.
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DeepEnigma
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Condescending cunt, I must say. I’ll give you that much.
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with you, I agree with you about a lot of things with the PC.
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ethomaz
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JareBear: Remastered
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So I googled it and found this
Is this the extent of it all? What did he write that was so damning?
ethomaz
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Unless IGN changed what Tim said then it was a quote from him.
JareBear: Remastered
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I wrote the quote, exactly from the IGN article, right above your post.
ethomaz
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I don’t know... I did not make part of that discord to know what they talked there.
I just said he being part and talking there was real as there is pics from some posts.
So the quote is real.
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n0razi
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As someone who games on PC and Playstation... I will be thrilled to have a console with specs that don;t completely pale in comparison with my PC. My guess is that high end enthusiast SSDs will be faster than the PS5's once PCIE 4.0 goes mainstream but I expect the PS5's SSD to hold its own easily with the vast majority of mainstream PCs
Bryank75
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Wanting to be in there is enough for me.... I knew they were Xbox biased anyway, for years.
Great Hair
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Unreal Engine 5 Quixel Scans meant for movies and 8K textures
PlayStation 5
Unreal Engine 5 Quixel Scans meant for games and 4K textures
XSX, PC 2021
maybe that´s what he meant o say
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Do you honestly think android mobile will be anywhere near this,?
Pc nvme ssd is no faster than sata ssd in practice. Ps5 is 18x faster than sata thanks to compression.
Maybe the ssd wont be an issue or directstorage solves this. Soon we will have nvidia event that should clear things up.
JareBear: Remastered
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ethomaz
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The XsX is never mentioned, wasn't mentioned by anyone today, maybe they can't because of NDAs, who knows, but saying that Sony's breakthrough made the demo possible doesn't mean the XsX can't also run the demo. For all we know MS engineered a big enough breakthrough of their own to handle the demo fine
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bender
What time is it?
PS5 needs an archive to local storage option. Re-downloading isn't a great option if you live with data caps.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
He didnt. He's making it up.
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ethomaz
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“This is not just a whole lot of polygons and memory. It’s also a lot of polygons being loaded every frame as you walk around through the environment and this sort of detail you don’t see in the world would absolutely not be possible at any scale without these breakthroughs that Sony’s made.”
yet again
The XsX is never mentioned, wasn't mentioned by anyone today, maybe they can't because of NDAs, who knows, but saying that Sony's breakthrough made the demo possible doesn't mean the XsX can't also run the demo. For all we know MS engineered a big enough breakthrough of their own to handle the demo fine
How you watched the demo is only possible on PS5.
You can have it in other platforms with less details and slower loaded assets.
At least until PC brute force with PCI-E 7GB/s late this year.
Yeap all sites made up the same quote from Tim
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DoctaThompson
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It's been preached to you over and over, yet you keep posting the same thing repeatedly. Why don't you understand PC isn't suddenly obsolete because they operate differently? Have you heard about DDR4? Should I just quote the same responses to you again?
Why not explain why PC would suddenly be at a disadvantage now? Instead of repeating the same, false things, over and over lol?
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