molasar
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So you believe that presenting a new technology (PS5 hardware) only is better than doing it with a proper software (games) supporting it.
Interesting.
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Polygon -Sony’s silence on PS5 has done wonders for the next-gen Xbox
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So you believe that presenting a new technology (PS5 hardware) only is better than doing it with a proper software (games) supporting it.
Interesting.
Afro Republican
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And that didn't make much of a difference because the Xbox One X was basically the new Xbox One, while the PS4 Pro was just a side console. In certain countries the Xbox One X has basically been the extension of the Xbox.
if it was as simple as "lol one has higher sales" than the Xbox One X wouldn't have been outselling the Pro in the US since the PS4 has more sales in the US than the Xbox One as well.
Hobbygaming
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No matter which one has the edge in specs, PS5 will be a capable console
Schreier said both consoles are very powerful
Shinobi602 hinted that PS5 games look good
A developer working on PS5 spoke about how good the textures are and how their game will look realistic
It'll be worth the wait
Schreier said both consoles are very powerful
Shinobi602 hinted that PS5 games look good
A developer working on PS5 spoke about how good the textures are and how their game will look realistic
It'll be worth the wait
mckmas8808
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It's too late to make any meaningful changes to the PS5.
devilNprada
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"Pre-orders start in summer for a November release date" take it for what it's worth...
Panajev2001a
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Do you have official sales data for both? Just curious about this last sentence about PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X
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GHG
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Turns out most of them were just one person anyway.
PropellerEar
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GHG
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Yep:
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@Jtibh next time mods try to touch you in your no no square just show them this video
SoloKingRobert
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I would say you're right if it wasn't paid advertisement plastered all over social media. No shit sherlock...
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Vroadstar
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Yep:
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@Jtibh next time mods try to touch you in your no no square just show them this videowww.neogaf.com
What? HolyTruth, Pana, Meirl, Heinrich is the same person, wow that's really taking it to the next level
SaucyJack
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I think you’re confusing this forums general thirst for knowledge of the details of the PS5 with something that is a genuine problem for Sony's release of the PS5.
Are they “late” with product details for something that will release in November 2020? Not at all. We all really really REALLY want to know, but for the moment they’re not ready to tell us. Sucks to be us.
What does this do for the launch of the Series X? Absolutely nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet fuck all. The thing that’s helping the launch of the Series X is Microsoft’s reveal of details of their own product, which have people excited about a step up in power for the next generation.
Sony do not need to “react” to Microsoft announcements. Tbh they announced first, via Wired, and pretty much confirmed the entire same feature set. We just don’t have a Tflop number. So what, we’ll get it later. And it’ll almost certainly be in the same ball park.
So where will that put us, three months from now? Probably talking about 1) GAMES, 2) Price, and 3) Other features than power.
So stay calm, wash your hands. Good things come to he who waits.
Vroadstar
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It's blowing my mind that an adult (I assume) took time to create those alt accounts to derail and thrash a thread so he will feel better with regard to his favorite box. Also, I've noticed a lot of the same alt account liking each others post, how utterly pathetic is that
Psykodad
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The saddest part is that those accounts weren't even neo-members. Lol
Something for the mods to think about as well..
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recma12
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Man this shows how out of touch Polygon is with real life people:
"Stealing headlines" Yeah, right Polygon.
Average X1/PS4 owners don't really give a shit about Series X and all the cool stuff it has going on (and it really looks like it will be one hell of a console).
Only once both consoles are up for pre-order and all the details are on the table, will the general masses look into new consoles.
That said, I'm 100% sure that an issue we don't even know about yet will be a massive talking point pre-launch.
Back in early 2013 nobody could have forseen that peope would be talking about "TV" and "DRM" that much.
"Stealing headlines" Yeah, right Polygon.
Average X1/PS4 owners don't really give a shit about Series X and all the cool stuff it has going on (and it really looks like it will be one hell of a console).
Only once both consoles are up for pre-order and all the details are on the table, will the general masses look into new consoles.
That said, I'm 100% sure that an issue we don't even know about yet will be a massive talking point pre-launch.
Back in early 2013 nobody could have forseen that peope would be talking about "TV" and "DRM" that much.
Yes you get the geeky stuff out of the way first then a separate show for games, price and date like every other playstation console. In 2003 when sony was playing king Kong on the building in February that year being technology king of the world no one bitched about games. They were to busy screaming about the specs. Go to the ps2 technology reveal way a head of launch same with ps3. See a pattern? Holding off is just getting cute to think the pr guys actually matter when Sony wins regardless. Instead of being dicks stick to tradition.
Mr. PlayStation
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Meanwhile at SIE looking at their exclusive games lineup which are still to be released on PS4(third party and first party exclusives). Yes Xbox has done a fantastic job getting the excitement for the Xbox brand through Series X reveal at The game awards show and performance reveal a few weeks ago.
There are only two reasons why Sony is so quiet:
a) the rumors that PS5 is only 9TF is true and they want to wait as long as possible to reveal so that many people won't notice. I mean think about it: if the PS5 REALLY is that weak then well people have plenty of time to notice this and make buying decisions based on that
b) or Sony is so arrogant that they think: "well, I just need to announce it and the next day everyone knows it and everyone will buy it just because its a PS5, no matter what specs and what games", I mean there are a lot of people like that and especially in this forum and of course people who will reply to this post and tell me how I'm so so wrong
but its ok.
the argument "there are a few games coming out in the following months" is invalid, beccause sony had a lot of time in January and February to do this, also Sony didn't care for that during PS4 launch, or when they first revelead information about PS5 using the wired articles right before the holiday season.
in the end, we will see how it turns out.
a) the rumors that PS5 is only 9TF is true and they want to wait as long as possible to reveal so that many people won't notice. I mean think about it: if the PS5 REALLY is that weak then well people have plenty of time to notice this and make buying decisions based on that
b) or Sony is so arrogant that they think: "well, I just need to announce it and the next day everyone knows it and everyone will buy it just because its a PS5, no matter what specs and what games", I mean there are a lot of people like that and especially in this forum and of course people who will reply to this post and tell me how I'm so so wrong
but its ok.the argument "there are a few games coming out in the following months" is invalid, beccause sony had a lot of time in January and February to do this, also Sony didn't care for that during PS4 launch, or when they first revelead information about PS5 using the wired articles right before the holiday season.
in the end, we will see how it turns out.
thelastword
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The XBONEX only outsold the PRO in it's launch month, (US. Only)...If it didn't, something would have been terribly wrong for a new product...….Well outside of figures and who gave that info, it's all sketchy tbh, but by how much the XBONEX outsold the PRO in November of 2017, it's all grey, I think they were only speaking of figures when launch aligned, launch vs launch. What we do know for a fact is that there was very limited PRO supply in 2016, 2017 and even 2018.....There are a million articles on PRO's supply issues worldwide...….
And that was just PR for XBONEX, since MS does not give figures anyway, so how are we substantiating anything......Certainly the US is not the world and PRO would have outsold XBONEX worldwide even at it's launch, even when it had supply issues worldwide.....It's clear since XBONEX was discounted weeks after, in numerous sales with games etc......A high performing console does not go through all these hoops, unless MS is just so PRO-consumer, that their consoles is flying off gameshelves and they say "NO" get it for 299-399 with these games at Gamestop and Costco, we love you.....
And who is the source for XBONEX outselling PRO in that one month anyway??? MS doesnt give numbers, so it must be.....Oh wait....
.......It must be Ahmad again with all his XBOX numbers.....He said XBOX was at 50 million too....till AMD gave the figures recently...In Ahmad I do not trust.....
molasar
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The pattern does not matter if you can do something better changing it. Also in 2003 and anytime a new hardware was shown without games, I was not happy about it. And they are not 'being dicks' and there is no tradition.
I just reminded myself what Albert Einstein once said: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” So in Sony's case, sticking to the old pattern is not going to bring better results.
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He's an analyst and this is his job, it just doesn't fit your narrative. AMD just said +150, nowhere did they say Xbox was below 50, don't make an assumption that the guy making the slides would've said +160 if Xbox was at 50. Oh but wait, that doesn't fit your narrative....
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ethomaz
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Withou context you probably can be right.
But after PS4 reveal Sony talked a lot about how they wish to change how they reveal consoles to a more Apple way of announce-release.
That can already be ser with Pro where they announced in August and released in November.
If Sony talked the whole generation about how they wished to change how they reveal-release console why people expected to have a similar reveal-release like PS4? Common sense says they won’t do like PS4 but something more like PS4 Pro.
Plus even if Sony changed their mind and planned a big reveal event in Feb or Mar it is/was already cancelled by Coronavirus.
IMO they still have too much to focus in the next few months before focus on PS5 that will come only at end of the year.
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thelastword
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Everybody is an analyst these days......With AMD figures, the manufacturer that sells these chips.....150-110(PS4), is how much exactly? The only reason we can make a deduction is because only 1 console manufacturer gives figures....The other is not confident and shrouds their figures only because it's severely dwarfed vs the competition....
Also, it's not the first time that Ahmad's numbers and leanings have been proven wrong......
ethomaz
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Patcher is way more reliable and have way more contact/access to these data than Zhuge.
Even so Patcher is more wrong than right.
Imagine Zhuge.
50m Xbox One sold doesn’t match with NPD US data too unless for some miracle Xbox One started to sell way more in EU and others region in 2019 than they sold the whole generation (and we know they are very down in sales in 2019 compared with 2018).
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Again not what AMD said. They said +150. So in your opinion +150 = 150. You are making assumptions on how AMD would put figures on a slide based on their actual numbers which they didn't share... +150 could also mean 159, or 164, or whatever number is bigger than 150. We just don't know.
molasar
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There are only two reasons why Sony is so quiet:
a) the rumors that PS5 is only 9TF is true and they want to wait as long as possible to reveal so that many people won't notice. I mean think about it: if the PS5 REALLY is that weak then well people have plenty of time to notice this and make buying decisions based on that
b) or Sony is so arrogant that they think: "well, I just need to announce it and the next day everyone knows it and everyone will buy it just because its a PS5, no matter what specs and what games", I mean there are a lot of people like that and especially in this forum and of course people who will reply to this post and tell me how I'm so so wrong
the argument "there are a few games coming out in the following months" is invalid, beccause sony had a lot of time in January and February to do this, also Sony didn't care for that during PS4 launch, or when they first revelead information about PS5 using the wired articles right before the holiday season.
in the end, we will see how it turns out.
The majority of people will make a buying decision based on games they want to play.
Sony knows that. That is why they probably want to reveal their hardware with games supporting it.
The argument is valid. Just find posts here about 'cannibalization'. And it does not matter what they did during PS4 launch because they aim to do this stuff even better this time. Also the Wired article did not have any impact on PS4 sales because no one who wants to play games will be waiting for so long (over a year) to get their next gen console.
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thelastword
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How about 150,498,000 chips? If Su sold 1 extra chip over 150 million, she could have said over 150 million....
The truth is, when you round figures like that it's just about the root figure given...….If it was 151, she would have said 151 and not over 150.....If it was 159, 999, 999, she would have said close to 160 million......Current console figures are not over 151 million, that's for sure...or she would be happy to say it and boost their stats even further.....
ethomaz
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The a option actually is weird.There are only two reasons why Sony is so quiet:
a) the rumors that PS5 is only 9TF is true and they want to wait as long as possible to reveal so that many people won't notice. I mean think about it: if the PS5 REALLY is that weak then well people have plenty of time to notice this and make buying decisions based on that
b) or Sony is so arrogant that they think: "well, I just need to announce it and the next day everyone knows it and everyone will buy it just because its a PS5, no matter what specs and what games", I mean there are a lot of people like that and especially in this forum and of course people who will reply to this post and tell me how I'm so so wrong
the argument "there are a few games coming out in the following months" is invalid, beccause sony had a lot of time in January and February to do this, also Sony didn't care for that during PS4 launch, or when they first revelead information about PS5 using the wired articles right before the holiday season.
in the end, we will see how it turns out.
In business book when you have bad news you release it ASAP and heavy focus in the strongest points of the product to give time to people forget.
Unless of course you can release a product without talk about these point that are not the case of a console hardware.
If PS5 was indeed 9.2TFs then Sony should have talked about it in late 2019 and in 2020 heavy focus in build hype with gamesand features of PS5 to recover mindshare.
Hummm what MS kind is doing since last year.
You forget another option (c) they have a great machine that won’t disappoint anybody, so they are confident in what they created and have clear plans to reveal it when the time comes.
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Lol no that's not how it works at all. You don't make assumptions on their rounding figure... Imo +150 means less than 175, and otherwise they would've rounded it to 175. When you are talking about that many devices, towards some analysts, they don't care about 1 million more or less. So like I said, you shouldn't make assumptions on the slide deck creator of AMD and how he thinks he should round or interpret their sales numbers, because it's just biased towards your opinion. That's like me saying, Xbox is clearly at 65mil, because it was probably 174, but they rounded it down to +150...
DunDunDunpachi
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Your premise is built on the assumption that the real number is millions above the "over 150m figure".
But the safe assumption is that it is close to 150m, maybe 1 or 2 million more. Burden of proof is on you to show that they rounded down from a much higher number.
thelastword
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OK so AMD could have said they sold 174 million chips, but they don't do so and just say over 150 million? WOW, this is so smart and how companies detail figures.....
I hope I'm missing and /S somewhere, because this is trying way too hard beyond logic...
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Deleted member 775630
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Lol, no... They said +150. No one even said anything about rounding numbers, that's just what
thelastword
is saying. I'm just saying AMD slides say +150, so you still don't know how many Xbox One's were actually sold.
thelastword
can try to proof that it's only 41mil, but he can't because he doesn't have proof. He can only say it's +41mil.The last line was a ridiculous exaggeration to show that if people believe what they want to believe they can use those numbers anyway they want.OK so AMD could have said they sold 174 million chips, but they don't do so and just say over 150 million? WOW, this is so smart and how companies detail figures.....
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thelastword
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So you're saying if I can say I sold 174 million boats, I'll say I sold over 150 million boats at a financial and stats disclosure forum...….If I sold 174 million copies of GTA5, I will say I sold over 150 million and let people deduce it's actually 174m+ instead.....Brilliant....I mean some of you guys are not even trying anymore.....Lol, no... They said +150. No one even said anything about rounding numbers, that's just what
The last line was a ridiculous exaggeration to show that if people believe what they want to believe they can use those numbers anyway they want.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Okay, this doesn't address what I said at all. Publicly-traded companies don't announce a number that's actually much lower (or more importantly, much higher) than reality. They are beholden to shareholders.Lol, no... They said +150. No one even said anything about rounding numbers, that's just what
The last line was a ridiculous exaggeration to show that if people believe what they want to believe they can use those numbers anyway they want.
I accept your suggestion that maybe it isn't exactly 150 million, like 151 or 152 million, but not much more than that. And since we know Sony had 108.9 million shipped by the end of 2019 (let's just round up to an even 110 million assuming they sold another million in the months since) that means the Xbox One has somewhere around 40 million systems sold. Maybe 41 million. Maybe 46 million. But 50 million is a stretch based on the information being presented.
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Yeah you are not reading correctly and misinterpreting my text or deliberately saying stuff I didn't say.
I'm saying that it says +150 on the slide, and you don't have the magic powers to get into the head of the AMD guy who made the slides and what that +150 number actually means. You don't know if its 151, 154, 159, 164, 168, 174, or even 7123782315213947. You don't work for AMD, you don't have the figures. So when you say Xbox is only at 41, you are incorrect. You only know that they are above 41, but you don't know by how much. So if Zhuge says they are at 50, this is still possible using those AMD numbers, and probably more accurate than your numbers, because yours are biased because you prefer Playstation.
Personally I don't think 50 is a stretch, because I believe but purely my opinion AMD wouldn't put +155 on their slides (109+50=159), and definitely not 160 since like you said they are beholden to their shareholders. The only thing I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to give your own twist to these numbers when you just don't know. I'm not saying Zhuge is correct, just that he is an analyst and its his job to do this correctly. Sure he might be wrong sometimes, they all are, but that doesn't mean he's wrong at the moment. It's just clear that people for some weird reason want Xbox to sell less, and their personal preference console to sell a lot more because of some weird affiliation towards those companies.
thelastword
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So this is what it's all about......No I don't prefer PlayStation enough to ever say what you are saying here......I suspect you prefer XBOX, but I really don't care about that, I'm not after anybody here or have any ill-will based on your preference, I'm just against faulty logic and FUD.....
There is no way in any financial publication that you are releasing figures to your analysts/investors and over 150 million means 174 million, you would just say 174 million or over 174m, it's much more impressive.......over a number and under a number are always really close to the root figure given.....if it's over you can be precise and say 151 million or over 151 million...
You will never hear me saying TLOU has sold 40 million copies because Naughty said over 20m.....OR PS has sold 200million PS4's because Sony said over 110 million.....If I ever do that, take me to task please...
That is nice for apple they don't have software to sell. Waiting until the last minute to reveal basically fucks every third party selling games on the console. Granted that works Nintendo but hey if Sony wants to treat third parties like shit with their new found power of a virtual monopoly I guess that is prerogative.
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ethomaz
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Third-parties already have PS5 lol
They just need to say their game will come to PS5 at PS5 reveal (or after the reveal using the PS5 talk/hype) and boom.
Theny will get even more exposure having the PS5 version reveled near/together with PS5.
It is a win-win case.
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SuperLupeRap
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huh? But it’s already March. Why are they listing already games released last month? Doesn’t make any sense if they are talking about the next months?
ethomaz
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The first tweet is from Feb 3... they added GoT date with the Mar 9.
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molasar
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That's what Sony did last gen ... So you're saying that was a mistake..?
Who said that they have to do the same thing again if they did it the last gen? Have they promised anyone to do it?
Also I already explained probable reasons behind their decisions in my previous comments.
And MS has not shown any breathtaking games for their new console yet. If they have then I would not be surprised that Sony would show something as well.
Psykodad
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You might want to refresh your memory:That's what Sony did last gen ... So you're saying that was a mistake..?
At the PS4 announcement/reveal, Sony announced and showed Killzone Shadowfall, Infamous Second Son, Driveclub, Dreams, Knack, real-time tech demos from Quantic Dreams and Unreal Engine 4 and some other stuff.
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thelastword
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XBOX fans just believe in the hardware without the games.....So much talk on hardware and so little on games......Says something, because I'm just going to look at the Series X spec list all gen long....
Psykodad
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Pretty much.
Sony knows what they're doing and the most logical reason for Sony to remain silent is because they are merely waiting for the right timing as they get games ready to be shown.
They always do this and it is plain stupid to think otherwise.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah, you clearly didn't read my first post because there I already said that you are only saying those numbers because they fit your narrative... Also, no I don't prefer Xbox, I try to be unbiased, it's just clear what your intentions are. If you are against faulty logic and FUD, well then you must understand that saying 41mil is wrong.
For your 2nd paragraph. Again, no where did I say +150 means, 174. Stop changing my words, and read them again, in context.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
But you're giving your own twist right there -- claiming to know what AMD would or wouldn't put on a slide. I do not comprehend why you're splitting hairs over someone else doing the same thing, and arguably they are sticking closer to the numbers we have while you are speculating why the numbers aren't as accurate as your head-sales.
Non-sequitur. It's just as clear that people for some weird reason want Xbox to sell more because of some weird affiliation toward Microsoft. That has no bearing on the substance of our conversation.
I think the logic is pretty straightforward:
If Sony sold 110+ million (pretty reasonable considering they sold 108.9 million more than two months ago),
and if AMD is telling the truth about selling over 150 million between the two platforms,
then the Xbox One sold 40 million, or thereabouts.
Like I mentioned before, it's possible AMD sold 151 or even 156 million, but the only way for Xbox One to be at 50 million would be if AMD sold over 160 million units. I'm not saying I am correct. Perhaps I am leaving out very important data, but the logic is sound if this is the info we're working with.