molasar
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Yet 'ms with years of free press' still has not shown anything special in a form of breathtaking games and their gameplay. This is an excess of form over substance (games).
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Polygon -Sony’s silence on PS5 has done wonders for the next-gen Xbox
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Yet 'ms with years of free press' still has not shown anything special in a form of breathtaking games and their gameplay. This is an excess of form over substance (games).
Hobbygaming
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Being content with the games Sony has coming out over the next few months isn't damage control. We will be playing TLOU 2, Ghost of Tsushima and FF7 months before the PS5 launchesYa know,CyberPanda , You shouldn't have posted that article and I admit I shouldn't have an opinion that could possibly be construed as praising Xbox and/or questioning anything about Playstation. It's kind of like the SJW garbage over at the asylum, there is an accepted narrative and you shouldn't say, think or post anything to the contrary. Thank God for the Mods here, at least we don't get banned for posting an opinion that goes against the accepted narrative.
You have a TON of Sony fans howling at Sony for their silence in the NextGen Spec thread, but in this thread you've got a ton of Sony fans in full damage control, criticizing everything about Xbox while making excuses and defending Sony's silence.
BTW: Sony fans in case you weren't aware, the PS5 is said to be BC with the PS4 games so the games they are releasing can be bought and played on the PS4 now and also later on the PS5 maybe even with free upgrades like MS & CDPR are doing for the XsX so that excuse seems a little weak.
thelastword
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When will Xfans realize that MS is focusing on the wrong things, time and time again....The whole of this gen MS has been underwhelming with their exclusives, they are so jittered by hardware, that having 99% inferior multiplats for 4 years straight must have hurt....They brought in XBONEX and it was losing in the framerate department because they are always pushing something too far to show how powerful their box is......
MS bought several studios, but they are mostly indie/AA, how will they compete with Santa Monica, Guerilla, Sucker Punch, PD, San Diego etc...…..and rumor has it that Sony is buying another big Studio or even more....
So after a heavy drought of quality games, they are still focusing on hardware, being the most powerful, when they are only most powerful because Sony has not announced their specs...…Meanwhile, how do XBONES and XBONEX owners feel,? where XBONEX owners had to justify all that touted power with BC as an example (I can play Ninja Gaiden in 4K, is that why you really bought a $500 box?).....So the guy who bought an XBONEX for $500 and seeing it discounted 2 weeks later, how does he feel right now, what has MS given him in the last three years to show the XBONEX's power and to give him confidence going into the next gen? MS has just neglected him and moved on to the next box and are now hyping Series X prematurely, just as they did XBONEX....
So in essence, where are the games in the last three years to give XBOX fans the drive to purchase Series X? What will they launch with? Halo Infinite, will be on PC gamepass day 1, are you that confident based on 343's history with the franchise? Halo5 was hyped through the roof too.....What are we really looking forward to, another Forza? Forza 8, Horizon 5
and from the other studios, what can we expect? SOD3, We Happy Few 2, Crackdown 4, SOT 2, Gears 6......Is that what people should be hyped for? We know The Initiative is much too small to compete with Sony on an AAA project yet, their game most probably won't be ready till 2023 and I even fear some of these smaller/Other studios might not be ready yet either, if we consider how long it took them to release crackdown, SOT, SOD etc......That's why MS is trying to drown everything with Series X specs and fellatio pieces from the gaming media.....And releasing nothing substantial for the current userbase, who have been well nigh abandoned for more than a minute.....MS has already abandoned this gen and this is bad for current owners...or prospective XBOX owners..
At this point, MS is speaking like Series X is already released and has sold 10 million and Sony is languishing behind, when do these consoles release again? so what momentum is the press talking about......People were more interested in seeing a Sony logo than an entire MS box, it just shows that people are not fooled by hype and they know what they want.....At this point, Sony is doing what they do best, give us great games. Who is going to purchase PS5 you say?, mostly the 110 million + PS4 owners by the time of PS5's release.....What has Sony done for them all gen? What are they doing for PS4 owners now? Giving them great games, whilst Phil talks about specs yet again, when just recently he was talking specs for XBONEX, very little talk on games...….Just hype trains and spec talk every few years...
Sony's marketing is the best in this industry, their marketing this year is to give PS4 owners LOU2, FF7, Tsushima, Dreams, something for everybody, seal them....You don't buy a console just to look at the spec sheet, you buy a console to see the hardware worked and that's what SWWS is great at, the best studios in the business...….At the end of this gen, they're giving the best graphics we've ever seen, they've never stopped setting the bar higher......That's what is selling PS5 right now, not fake hype...So when you see the logo numbers you can't be surprised, because that's reality vs forum hype and Forbes articles.....
Remember, 110 million PS4's vs 41 million XBOX's......Sony knows what they are doing, they are the king of this industry for a reason and based on MS's approach leading into next gen, they still don't have a clue......
MS bought several studios, but they are mostly indie/AA, how will they compete with Santa Monica, Guerilla, Sucker Punch, PD, San Diego etc...…..and rumor has it that Sony is buying another big Studio or even more....
So after a heavy drought of quality games, they are still focusing on hardware, being the most powerful, when they are only most powerful because Sony has not announced their specs...…Meanwhile, how do XBONES and XBONEX owners feel,? where XBONEX owners had to justify all that touted power with BC as an example (I can play Ninja Gaiden in 4K, is that why you really bought a $500 box?).....So the guy who bought an XBONEX for $500 and seeing it discounted 2 weeks later, how does he feel right now, what has MS given him in the last three years to show the XBONEX's power and to give him confidence going into the next gen? MS has just neglected him and moved on to the next box and are now hyping Series X prematurely, just as they did XBONEX....
So in essence, where are the games in the last three years to give XBOX fans the drive to purchase Series X? What will they launch with? Halo Infinite, will be on PC gamepass day 1, are you that confident based on 343's history with the franchise? Halo5 was hyped through the roof too.....What are we really looking forward to, another Forza? Forza 8, Horizon 5
and from the other studios, what can we expect? SOD3, We Happy Few 2, Crackdown 4, SOT 2, Gears 6......Is that what people should be hyped for? We know The Initiative is much too small to compete with Sony on an AAA project yet, their game most probably won't be ready till 2023 and I even fear some of these smaller/Other studios might not be ready yet either, if we consider how long it took them to release crackdown, SOT, SOD etc......That's why MS is trying to drown everything with Series X specs and fellatio pieces from the gaming media.....And releasing nothing substantial for the current userbase, who have been well nigh abandoned for more than a minute.....MS has already abandoned this gen and this is bad for current owners...or prospective XBOX owners..
At this point, MS is speaking like Series X is already released and has sold 10 million and Sony is languishing behind, when do these consoles release again? so what momentum is the press talking about......People were more interested in seeing a Sony logo than an entire MS box, it just shows that people are not fooled by hype and they know what they want.....At this point, Sony is doing what they do best, give us great games. Who is going to purchase PS5 you say?, mostly the 110 million + PS4 owners by the time of PS5's release.....What has Sony done for them all gen? What are they doing for PS4 owners now? Giving them great games, whilst Phil talks about specs yet again, when just recently he was talking specs for XBONEX, very little talk on games...….Just hype trains and spec talk every few years...
Sony's marketing is the best in this industry, their marketing this year is to give PS4 owners LOU2, FF7, Tsushima, Dreams, something for everybody, seal them....You don't buy a console just to look at the spec sheet, you buy a console to see the hardware worked and that's what SWWS is great at, the best studios in the business...….At the end of this gen, they're giving the best graphics we've ever seen, they've never stopped setting the bar higher......That's what is selling PS5 right now, not fake hype...So when you see the logo numbers you can't be surprised, because that's reality vs forum hype and Forbes articles.....
Remember, 110 million PS4's vs 41 million XBOX's......Sony knows what they are doing, they are the king of this industry for a reason and based on MS's approach leading into next gen, they still don't have a clue......
Butz
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I'll play Ori and Wasteland 3.
Aion002
Member
I am dumb.... I returned...
Dreams, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us 2, Iron Man VR, MLB The Show 20, The Predator Hunting Grounds and Nioh 2 are all games made or published by Sony.
And there are other exclusives, like FFVII R that Sony probably helped in one way or another with the development.
About MS.... Well, can't argue with that since is irrelevant to my argument.
Another disingenous one.
PS3 launched at 599 usd... had only a few good games at launch and had a performance worse than the 360, a year older console..... Still, almost matched the sales number of 360 worldwide at launch and in the end of the run it surpassed it.
Yeah the PS3 had a better launch than the 360, considering that it was more expensive, less games, worse network and a shit ton of bad press...
So... Why you are lying?
Dreams, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us 2, Iron Man VR, MLB The Show 20, The Predator Hunting Grounds and Nioh 2 are all games made or published by Sony.
And there are other exclusives, like FFVII R that Sony probably helped in one way or another with the development.
About MS.... Well, can't argue with that since is irrelevant to my argument.
Another disingenous one.
PS3 launched at 599 usd... had only a few good games at launch and had a performance worse than the 360, a year older console..... Still, almost matched the sales number of 360 worldwide at launch and in the end of the run it surpassed it.
Yeah the PS3 had a better launch than the 360, considering that it was more expensive, less games, worse network and a shit ton of bad press...
SuperLupeRap
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I think they're busy brainstorming on how to communicate with the public knowing their console is considerably less powerful than the competition. I think once their studios have something to show they will unveil the console.
They have nothing to boast about when it comes to hardware so the focus will be in the games that I'm sure their studios aren't ready to show yet.
devilNprada
Member
I don't believe this to be true.
They were supposed to announce their high end phone at MWC. Canceled MWC, and still announced there phone shortly after.
HeresJohnny
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Power has never stopped Sony from winning before; I’m sure they aren’t worried about it.
thelastword
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"Sony's silence on PS5 has done wonders for XBOX"...…….Every thread is an XBOX thread, you guys even said the same thing in a Sony related, no mention of XBOX recently.....Yes, yes, every thread is an XBOX thread...….That persecution complex is causing all sorts of untowards side effects......Vision loss, logical thinking, confusion/hallucinations and AMS......
Stuart360
Member
After reading one of your essays, i agree.
Psykodad
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Hello, thanks for joining this discussion.Ya know,
You have a TON of Sony fans howling at Sony for their silence in the NextGen Spec thread, but in this thread you've got a ton of Sony fans in full damage control, criticizing everything about Xbox while making excuses and defending Sony's silence.
BTW: Sony fans in case you weren't aware, the PS5 is said to be BC with the PS4 games so the games they are releasing can be bought and played on the PS4 now and also later on the PS5 maybe even with free upgrades like MS & CDPR are doing for the XsX so that excuse seems a little weak.
I would just like to point out that it's possible to both grow tired of Sony's silence, while at the same time be content with PS4s exclusive output this year, as well as being able to step back and look at the situation objectively so you can realize there is no sign to worry about anything.
I think that most would agree that it must have been a very rough gen for xbox fans and it's okay to vent and release your emotions, but be sure to keep breathing.
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molasar
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it_wasn't_me
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Ya know,
You have a TON of Sony fans howling at Sony for their silence in the NextGen Spec thread, but in this thread you've got a ton of Sony fans in full damage control, criticizing everything about Xbox while making excuses and defending Sony's silence.
BTW: Sony fans in case you weren't aware, the PS5 is said to be BC with the PS4 games so the games they are releasing can be bought and played on the PS4 now and also later on the PS5 maybe even with free upgrades like MS & CDPR are doing for the XsX so that excuse seems a little weak.
Let it out, let it all out!!! Scream, dammit! Until you let it all out, i will play Tlou 2, FF VII, Ghost Of Tsushima, Yakuza 7, Dreams , Nioh 2 etc. PS5 can wait you know.
Just let it all out!
TeddyShardik
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Sony is doomed, btw, the lack of communication did it!
It's a simple thing: Microsoft HAS to communicate all the time, they HAVE to prove they're not gonna leave the target audience (day-one buyers of a console and software) hanging by year one.
At the other end, Playstation is a known metric by now. By hardware AND software.
You can call this "arrogant Sony" all you want, but the world knows the playstation Brand. And just knowing a new Playstation is going to come out is making people excited.
That's much less the case when you tell these people that Microsoft has a console too, even it it might be better than that next Plystation.
I think your view hinges on only the US market. It's a huge market, to be sure, but it's not all-encapsulting.
If you ask anyone what their electronic choice of toy is outside the US(and maybe UK in the 360 era...oh...did I just say the bad word?), most of these people would tell you Playstation. Most of these people wouldn't even be able to tell you it's a Sony thing. It's just a Playstation, like every fucking game I played after 87, was a Nintendo. Even when it was a C64, an Atari, a Master System or even a Mega Drive.
All these things were a Nintendo.
This is the state of Playstation today.
They don't need to shout from the rooftops, everything they have.
It will spread anyway.
It's a simple thing: Microsoft HAS to communicate all the time, they HAVE to prove they're not gonna leave the target audience (day-one buyers of a console and software) hanging by year one.
At the other end, Playstation is a known metric by now. By hardware AND software.
You can call this "arrogant Sony" all you want, but the world knows the playstation Brand. And just knowing a new Playstation is going to come out is making people excited.
That's much less the case when you tell these people that Microsoft has a console too, even it it might be better than that next Plystation.
I think your view hinges on only the US market. It's a huge market, to be sure, but it's not all-encapsulting.
If you ask anyone what their electronic choice of toy is outside the US(and maybe UK in the 360 era...oh...did I just say the bad word?), most of these people would tell you Playstation. Most of these people wouldn't even be able to tell you it's a Sony thing. It's just a Playstation, like every fucking game I played after 87, was a Nintendo. Even when it was a C64, an Atari, a Master System or even a Mega Drive.
All these things were a Nintendo.
This is the state of Playstation today.
They don't need to shout from the rooftops, everything they have.
It will spread anyway.
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SuperLupeRap
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So lame.
SuperLupeRap
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The Xbox Series X reveal video has 10 million views. How many does the PS5 reveal video have? Yeah thought so
Or since PS fanboys are using IG likes now (LOL) as an indicator. The PS5 logo reveal had 5.3 million likes. Xbox reveal video has 10 million views.
So no idea what you talking about.
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Psykodad
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The fact that you need to compare a console reveal to a simple logo change should tell you something.
Afro Republican
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So you're just going to say that without actually checking if it's true?
Whitecrow
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Guess what is not in that list?
Afro Republican
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The Xbox One X didn't come out in 2016.
Also the last data we have fr it and the Pro has the X ahead. Do you have3 dat proving the pro sold more?
Wait,no you don't.
it_wasn't_me
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Wait for PS5 reveal video, than we will talk about views.
But yeah, ordinary logo made a bigger impact on the net than whole XSX reveal. Just imagine what PS5 reveal will do. Will back to this post in next few months
it_wasn't_me
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Oh, worldwide surely it did.
Hobbygaming
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At the end of the day those games can't be played on a Xbox so they add a lot of value to PlayStation
Afro Republican
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This is doubtful since the Pro isn't that in demand world wide and is considered a side option, while the X is literally holding Xbox One up in various countries and would have been dead or very low selling without it. Which makes perfect sense considering how the S was cratering and things were reaching new lows after it's first 4-5 months (outside the US) on the market.
The X is the only reason why the XBO got a life extension.
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Kdad
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You don't need an Xbox for either of these games...
Butz
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I know, I'll play them on PC, just like FF7.
Kdad
Member
Great, so you too understand there is no reason to have an Xbox when you can play everything on PS and PC. (or Switch if you're into Nin games)
it_wasn't_me
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LOL
Em....no. Base console are primary, not the upgrades. Bone sales are already dead. Dude, XSX SAD could be bought for 99€ across EU and didn't do any harm to PS4 and Switch.
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Hobbygaming
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Butz
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I also understand why people may buy one (not wanting to get an overpriced PC, I spent 1000€ on my GPU) or not wanting to upgrade single parts after a few years.
it_wasn't_me
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Reading this thread surely it will be a goldmine for the next few years
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Afro Republican
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Lol isn't a rebuke
The Xbox One X is the best selling Xbox in a few countries, including Japan, or sells decently enough it's not far from the S (outside the US and possibly UK where the S has a higher gap)
There are some country online stores you can check out in some countries and they only sell the X. It's literally the reason why the Xbox One got a life extension in some territories. So just the fact it's dependent on more would make it higher selling than the Pro (not to mention the old data that has the X ahead of the pro awhile back was WW as well)
In other countries, Xbox depends more on their refresh than Sony does, shouldn't be surprising it likely still has sold more.
Fox Mulder
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the only people that care are console warriors and the gaming press needing to meet their click quotas.
The ps4 still has high profile releases and it’s only March. Sony will have to drop ps5 info in the next few months and it’ll be a big deal then with plenty of coverage.
The ps4 still has high profile releases and it’s only March. Sony will have to drop ps5 info in the next few months and it’ll be a big deal then with plenty of coverage.
it_wasn't_me
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Bragging about X1X sales in Japan....
Still LOL. PS4 Pro in Japan only is outselling X1X around 100x times each week, sometimes more. WTF are you talking about?
I would bet where only X is selling in those countries Pro i still selling more. Are you telling me that Xbone X has a bigger sales in EU than PS4 Pro?
EDIT: please provide a legit data that XboneX sold more globally than PS4 Pro. Since you mentioned it
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turntablekeepsonspinning
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This is a momentum that has been slowly building since the drm fiasco since xbox one was revealed.
I see that you’re new here. First let me say, welcome.
Now dial it back on the juvenile rhetoric like “sonydrones” and “xbots”. You sound like a bunch of children.
Thank you.
thelastword
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That's why I said 2016/2017 which includes PRO, MS started talking about uncompressed pixels and no compromises way before 2017....
PS4 is 110 million, XBOX is 41 million, PRO launched an entire year before XBONEX, has been selling out pretty much from launch, when there was more demand than supply even after XBONEX launched and you think XBONEX sold more than PRO?.........I mean, where is the logic? Look at Japans's figures alone where they give PRO sales numbers, PRO sells more in one week than XBONEX sells in two years, but keep on...…..In the US XBONEX was discounted soon after launch, basically given away at gamestop with a PS4/PRO, Switch trade-in.....So many deals with tonnes of games...…..You think MS did that because XBONEX was flying off shelves at $500.00......
DeepEnigma
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Nope. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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TeddyShardik
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First of all, there is no PS 5 "reveal". So yeah, the Xbox Series X reveal has 100% more views than the PS5 reveal.
Good job soldier!
Then you're comparing likes and views...
I mean...do you not see how desperate and stupid that comes across?
Just go on youtube. How many people will view a video? Then how many people will even bother to like or dislike it?
Not to mention your "PS5 reveal" was just a fucking logo! Sony told everyone a Playstation after the PS4 exists. And (at your measure) 5.3 million people went just mental. 5.3 MILLION people were invested enough in a thing just existing to go out of their way to click a thing and "like" it.
That different from just viewing it. VI don't even know the views the PS5 logo got.
But you're comparing apples to oranges to get a leg in your console war.
So, I salute you, soldier!
Damigos
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So, which one is it ? Comments represent better PS fanboys or reality ?
SuperLupeRap
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BS. Bring some arguments next time.
Edit: still waiting for arguments buddy. Not holding my breath though because you have none.
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SenjutsuSage
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The two consoles are absolutely not identical. Do they share a roughly similar or "generic" GPU and CPU architecture from the same provider? They do, but that's where it ends. Microsoft has made absolutely clear that these two consoles are NOT the same.
In fact, David Prien, Direct of HW at Xbox, went out of his way to make this clear in a podcast about a month ago? The emphasis on them absolutely not being the same was clear. He suggested that they've made a great deal of specific customizations that sounded like he believes quite a few will be unique to their console. He specifically cites a lot of the software and firmware work they do in conjunction with AMD.
Even specifically on the SSD side, he stated that the way Microsoft is going to use their SSD is different from the way Sony is using theirs. Suggests they used a different vendor while also their implementation is different on the SSD front. Do keep in mind, he makes clear that these customizations or differences aren't always because you get more performance or more features, but just due to the fact that their games are built differently, or their home and dash is different, or because they get better power consumption.
He says something along the lines of they are far more custom and non off the shelf than people might otherwise think. He was careful to make this statement in regards to how consoles like the new xbox compare to cell phones and PCs, but earlier in his comments he clearly cited Switch, Sony consoles and the fact that AMD provides hardware to both they as well as Sony, but went out of his way to stress they are not the same with a pretty noticeable chuckle. From this video here.
SuperLupeRap
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Logo reveal = 5 million IG likes (worthless)
Xbox reveal = 10 million YouTube views
Flip it, spin it, as much as you want. The numbers are there. End of discussion.
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SuperLupeRap
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Bro spin it all you want it is what it is. If you don't want to lose such a stupid argument tell your Sony warriors not to bring it up in the 1st place.
it_wasn't_me
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Oh, snap. Sony lost gen because 10 million views. Try to spin that.
Like i said, will back to post above when PS5 will be revealed
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SuperLupeRap
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Or won it because of 5 million IG likes ? .. IG likes !! Yeah sounds ridiculous huh.