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Polygon -Sony’s silence on PS5 has done wonders for the next-gen Xbox
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Polysoft: Polygon exposed
So Cliff Bleszinski just posted this link from his twitter profile. Intersting read I think. The article is from a website called FuriousFanboys.com (I am not kidding) This article was written by Jeremy Conrad, former IGN editor. So yesterday’s little Twitter kerfluffle between...www.neogaf.com
Search results for query: Polygon 750K
that was 5 years ago.
Let it go bro.
Paracelsus
Member
People are quick to forget history.
No matter how well you did one gen, you can lose everything the next one.
Sony is "monkey see, monkey do" made company, they will wait and see what Microsoft is definitely doing, then plan accordingly.
Plus, defeated platforms tend to show off first anyway, Sony has no interest in telling people "see our platform? It's old outdated * now, move on", not just because of hardware sales but because nobody would buy Tsushima and TLOU2 if they knew the remasters are a year away.
No matter how well you did one gen, you can lose everything the next one.
Sony is "monkey see, monkey do" made company, they will wait and see what Microsoft is definitely doing, then plan accordingly.
Plus, defeated platforms tend to show off first anyway, Sony has no interest in telling people "see our platform? It's old outdated * now, move on", not just because of hardware sales but because nobody would buy Tsushima and TLOU2 if they knew the remasters are a year away.
AGRacing
Member
Nobody has spent a single cent on a preorder yet. Not a penny. Sony could wipe away these “wonders” with one 20 minute info dump as long as it’s the right info. Their behaviour at the moment could be explained as a reaction of fear.... or it could be out of extreme confidence. We won’t know until we know.
Polygon is a trash fire as usual.
Polygon is a trash fire as usual.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
It's good for MS in the sense that they have really been able to send a clear, gaming-oriented message without any interference from Sony. I'm more a PC/Xbox guy, I play Game Pass and PSNow on PC as filler around my primary Steam/GoG focus. It doesn't really affect me if Sony doesn't talk as much as it would affect a primary Sony player, as I think they're hungrier for next-gen news while I'm content to get my Xbox and PS on PC. I think it at least solidifies MS as the 12TF, Smart Delivery, free next-gen version cool guy with Game Pass to give you an instant library. Honestly, it's still extremely premature to assume it will hurt Sony in any way. MS needs to be looking "blue ocean" with xCloud/Game Pass/PC, as Sony has been quite consistent in their console arena success.
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EDMIX
Member
I disagree.
Gamers will buy a system based on the history of each company.
Right now they have MS telling them what MS hopes to offer...
They also have Sony releasing Dreams, Ghost Of Tsushima, The Last Of Us 2 all before the release of the PS5....
So MS can market what they might do, Sony is showing you first hand what they WILL DELIVER. So one can promise to change and nothing is wrong with that, but ultimately gamers trust what Sony brings to the table because Sony doesn't need to hype up and be like "next E3 doe, next E3 doe" and or "but we have for store NEXT GEN DOE" etc.
You see their support of PS4...RIGHT NOW to prove what they will do with PS5, not might, maybe, possibly, hopefully aka Please Believe Us type BS.
Gamers will buy a system based on the history of each company.
Right now they have MS telling them what MS hopes to offer...
They also have Sony releasing Dreams, Ghost Of Tsushima, The Last Of Us 2 all before the release of the PS5....
So MS can market what they might do, Sony is showing you first hand what they WILL DELIVER. So one can promise to change and nothing is wrong with that, but ultimately gamers trust what Sony brings to the table because Sony doesn't need to hype up and be like "next E3 doe, next E3 doe" and or "but we have for store NEXT GEN DOE" etc.
You see their support of PS4...RIGHT NOW to prove what they will do with PS5, not might, maybe, possibly, hopefully aka Please Believe Us type BS.
is it that’s why Sony failed so hard after PS2? I mean PS2 was one of the most successful consoles of all time and then PS3 happened
Same for Nintendo, compare Wii to Wii U.
Again, gamers DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE PAST. THERE IS NO LOYALTY.
IF there would be something like that then PS3 and Wii U had MUCH better launches.
so, it could go either way. We will see.
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captainraincoat
Banned
For Xbox:
we know most and all the important technical aspect.
also, we know how the console will look like.
Basically, we only need to know the price.
Mass Shift
Member
More than a little weird. Even though I see nothing wrong with putting off a hardware reveal til the right time. Something just feels a bit off. Price matching? Price undercutting? Power clocking?
I just don't feel Sony would ever be rattled by what MS reveals in that regard. But something just feels amiss.
EDMIX
Member
Yea thats nice.
I'm buying a PS5 day 1 based on the past.
I like The Last Of US, will buy The Last Of Us 2 day 1, will buy a PS5 for The Last Of Us 3......
Kagey K
Banned
That doesn’t change the fact that the past doesn’t dictate the future like the PS2 to PS3 example and the 360 to the one. . While your mind is already made up there are likely many that aren’t.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Yeah, Sony lost 70 million in the last generation, when they were more expensive. Microsoft lost 30 million this generation, when they were more expensive. Highly volatile market, half the owners have no brand affiliation.
they are already dead though, that’s why they are so silent.
Psykodad
Banned
Isn't that what happened? Or is that too pro-consumer?
And yeah, business-wise, it's smart as well.
Damigos
Member
I would suggest to read Polygon’s article comments and this thread’s other comments
yup. here are way more Sony hardcore fans than in reality. (Xbox fanboys will get banned here quiet frequently.)
but when you look at those comments, they reflect reality and mass market way better, not just the diehard Sony hardcore fans
Pallas
Member
Just a tad bit too pro consumer, remember they want to milk the fan base.
Psykodad
Banned
Other companies probably want to milk you too.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Halo...what a suprise...
i will play it on my pc so no Xtower needed, for those few “interesting” Xbox games.
Kagey K
Banned
The fact is that when you look at the population here and the population posting on the other big gaming forum combined it equals at most 50K.
That is what is called a bubble, its a small section of the hardcore that make up a tiny fraction of the actual user base.
People inside the bubble like to think they are dictating the way gaming is going, but over and over again we have been proven wrong on where we think those trends are heading.
There isn’t enough information to make a purchasing decision yet, but so many people here have already made up their minds.
Outside of this bubble, Polygon is right, people are talking about Xbox again, and in a positive way. Granted I’m only seeing and hearing it from a NA perspective, but MS has definitely not lost anything in their messaging from the chatter I hear, and have clearly made some gains.
There is no way to quantify that until after these new consoles launch, but right now they are gaining mindshare.
Kagey K
Banned
PC no surprise. I’ll save my money and buy a console and an Oled TV instead. See how easy this works.
Pallas
Member
I was trying to joke with you and you done turn it into console warring, dammitOther companies probably want to milk you too.
Psykodad
I know that’s the point of every company lol which is why I quoted you in the first place. I’m not complaining about remasters, if done right they can be pretty awesome.
Butz
Banned
So MS still gets your money.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah just like every person buying the PS5, all of them also have gaming pc's.
Kagey K
Banned
Considering the FUD certain users were trying to spread around here just a few weeks ago about MS is chasing services and they don’t care about hardware. There’s no way they release a console that’s competitive with the next Playstation.
They did a good job of stemming that conversation if not cutting it off completely.
As I said above, it certainly didn’t cost them any goodwill, and seems to have netted positive mind share.
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iiStryker
Neo Member
There are still waay too many unknowns about either of the upcoming machines to say one is gaining an advantage over the other. Consumer cost being the leading factor.
Sony is the smaller company of the two and has to play it closer to the chest because MS, being the larger corporate entity, probably has more money to burn regarding the next generation and might be more willing to take a per unit loss to earn market share. That kind of loss for MS may not be as damaging as it would be for Sony.
in the end software is king and neither are currently showing anything that is a day one system seller.
Sony is the smaller company of the two and has to play it closer to the chest because MS, being the larger corporate entity, probably has more money to burn regarding the next generation and might be more willing to take a per unit loss to earn market share. That kind of loss for MS may not be as damaging as it would be for Sony.
in the end software is king and neither are currently showing anything that is a day one system seller.
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Deleted member 774430
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Imo they are not wrong, and as long as Sony knows what they're doing and will have contents to show once they'll break the silence, i think this is helping both.
Microsoft can have their moment now, or at E3, and will certainly help the Xbox brand, while Playstation can totally wait until 2-3 months before launch to then drop the big guns.
Where it could go wrong? Sony finally shows up and they don't have much ready.
Microsoft can have their moment now, or at E3, and will certainly help the Xbox brand, while Playstation can totally wait until 2-3 months before launch to then drop the big guns.
Where it could go wrong? Sony finally shows up and they don't have much ready.
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Psykodad
Banned
Lol my bad, can't tell when people are serious or not anymore.I was trying to joke with you and you done turn it into console warring, dammit
I know that’s the point of every company lol which is why I quoted you in the first place. I’m not complaining about remasters, if done right they can be pretty awesome.
I agree with you though.
SaucyJack
Member
I tend to agree.
And if we’re honest this is exactly how it was going from PS360 to current gen. Sony bringing games to its current console in the final year, Xbox not so much.
yeah. I mean look at the switch. People here thought switch is gonna to fail harder than Wii U.
And now see they are Successful and even getting 3rd party support, the Witcher, Hellblade, doom etc. Everything is on the switch!
but again; we will see this holiday how it works.
I think saleswise it will be a close call. Not like current gen.
And this is the best thing for the customer as monopoly is the worst thing for a customer.
JustP_Gaming
Banned
Everyone says this but fail to see whats happening.
Markness
Banned
Enjoying the damage control by the Sonydrones. MS stunk it up last generation, and now Sony is stinking it up now, lets not twist words around and pretend that their silence is something to be proud of.
Apparently lack of transparency is now "a power move" or "doesn't matter because weeb game X is coming out, that doesn't show any gameplay except for trailers!!!!"
Transparency is the best thing you can provide for consumers, especailly those that have been loyal fans for a long time. If you check out the psnprofiles forums you'll find people pissed off with Sony, their weak version of the Game Pass and Games with Gold and how they don't like to share any information with their customers. I have been a Microsoft guy, and have been a PC guy, and even tried to be a Sony guy, but they really really don't care about sharing info with their customers like how Major Nelson has or any of the other community managers, instead you have 3rd party gaming channels with Brits trying to hyper everything up because they're too good to share any info with their cash cows (the west).
There is no denying that Sony has better exclusives than Microsoft, but there is also no denying that they are going to have the weaker machine and have worse consumer practices than Microsoft. If you want to be a part of the team that is trying to win you over, then you should be happy about Microsoft, as they are completely pro-consumer, if you act like a few exclusives (and timed-exclusives) are a deal-breaker then I am sorry to hear that. Most of the top dog games are multi-plat games... sorry to be the baron of bad news.
Apparently lack of transparency is now "a power move" or "doesn't matter because weeb game X is coming out, that doesn't show any gameplay except for trailers!!!!"
Transparency is the best thing you can provide for consumers, especailly those that have been loyal fans for a long time. If you check out the psnprofiles forums you'll find people pissed off with Sony, their weak version of the Game Pass and Games with Gold and how they don't like to share any information with their customers. I have been a Microsoft guy, and have been a PC guy, and even tried to be a Sony guy, but they really really don't care about sharing info with their customers like how Major Nelson has or any of the other community managers, instead you have 3rd party gaming channels with Brits trying to hyper everything up because they're too good to share any info with their cash cows (the west).
There is no denying that Sony has better exclusives than Microsoft, but there is also no denying that they are going to have the weaker machine and have worse consumer practices than Microsoft. If you want to be a part of the team that is trying to win you over, then you should be happy about Microsoft, as they are completely pro-consumer, if you act like a few exclusives (and timed-exclusives) are a deal-breaker then I am sorry to hear that. Most of the top dog games are multi-plat games... sorry to be the baron of bad news.
PropellerEar
Member
I rewrote the headline:
MSFTs inability to deliver quality games has made PS5 and Switch only options for next gen.
MSFTs inability to deliver quality games has made PS5 and Switch only options for next gen.
PropellerEar
Member
Phil's PR is the stink, Next gen is not here yet.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This is like an Xbox fanboy post.
Here is the truth.
Only thing Microsoft revealed were the specs and actual console.
The console this generation wasn't revealed until June 2013.
The only people who are desperately waiting for the specs are a small minority of fans, not the mass. Xbox fans tend to have this arrogance and love to put Microsoft on a pedestal, thinking they're taking over a lot of mindshare just because they showed off the new console and some specs.
And weaker console based on what? You don't know that.
The Last of Us Part II is going to sell millions, more than the majority of multiplat titles.
Final Fantasy 7: Remake is a timed exclusive.. .yes, they purchased a year worth of exclusive rights fo ra reason, and they know it's going to bring and\or keep a lot of fans into the PlayStation ecosystem.
This is not damage control, this is just stuff that shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Not so sure about that. Wasn’t like not a single PS4 exclusive in the top ten yearly sales in Germany and France? You are clearly overestimating sales of exclusive games. Outside of hardcore gamers people don’t give a shit about those.
it’s all about fifa and cod. Look at the numbers. They were by far the top selling games. Not exclusive games.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I'm not. If you think I am, then you need to do more research on sales.
ah, I see. Dforce as in „Sony Defense Force“. Can’t argue with that.
Elektro Demon
Banned
Well, nobody is talking about Sony, so I don't really see how the silence brought them anything good.
But it may be good for building up hype. Once Sony finally gets to talking, the whole internet will explode.
But it may be good for building up hype. Once Sony finally gets to talking, the whole internet will explode.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you can't argue with facts.
cireza
Member
We know this quite well. Since the PS1, Sony has been purchasing its way in the market, nothing new here.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Life-to-Date as of August 2019 in the US.
6. Spider-Man
8. God of War
According to ZhugeEX, Uncharted would have made this list if bundles were counted.
Only games that sell 10 million plus are games like FIFA, Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto.
There's a few more, but much.
NBA is one of the best selling franchises in the US, but it sales about 9 million copies within a year on 5 different platforms. Spider-Man, God of War, Uncharted surpassed that on a single platform.
The majority of multiplatform titles don't sell nearly as much as he thinks.
Final Fantasy 15 sold just under 9 million copies within a few years.
Witcher 3 surpassed 20 million copies on several different platforms. TLOU sold 20 million on two platforms.
You have to be completely ignorant in regards to sales if you think the biggest PS4 exclusives are for a niche audience.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
So MS still gets your money.
Well not the same amount of money when people buy the game full price.
The Pleasure
Member
Will Microsoft get a good game for free? The answer to that is we don't know.
Butz
Banned
Damn, tricking MS again by paying for the subscription service. How will they recover?
ShadowWolf712
Member
They dropped Dreams, are dropping MLB, and putting out Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU II in May and June, respectively. To say it's third parties supporting the PS4 at the end and not Sony themselves is even more disingenuous by far.
As for the third party items, they get "credit" for the fact that they went out and got those titles, sometimes even partially funding them KNOWING they'd be multiplat eventually, to secure content for their users. They keep showing their users they made the "right" choice in going with them that way, and their users respond with goodwill accordingly.