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[ethomaz]

It was free with TLOU remastered and that's why people would be frustrated if you have to pay extra.


But, I believe people payed extra for the PS3 version, but I'm not exactly sure.

At the moment, I'm somewhat on the fence about it, but either way, I'm happy there's some type of multiplayer.

TLOU was always SP + MP since day one.

 

[GHG]

It reads like they are developing an entirely separate multiplayer game that may or may not even be related to Tlou2's universe. How is that a problem?

Honestly, people love to whine and moan these days. Get some fresh air guys.

 

[ethomaz]

I don't get the criticism at all. Also why the need for Multiplayer in the first place? This announcement should cover both sides of the coin. Please explain how this would be "charging extra" as opposed to a standalone experience being developed separate from the main game.

Because you don't remove content form sequels? TLOU was always a SP + MP game sold at $60... why split it to sell separated?

 

[Tetraeon]

It reads like they are developing an entirely separate multiplayer game that may or may not even be related to Tlou2's universe. How is that a problem?

Honestly, people love to whine and moan these days. Get some fresh air guys.

This exactly.

Because you don't remove content form sequels? TLOU was always a SP + MP game sold at $60... why split it to sell separated?

I don't see a problem at all, but a lot of people figure because 1 had it 2 needs it as well. That's a logical jump. Nobody has even said it's in the same universe. Nothing is being split because the MP component doesn't exist. How can you split what isn't part of a whole?

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

I don't get the criticism at all. Also why the need for Multiplayer in the first place? This announcement should cover both sides of the coin. Please explain how this would be "charging extra" as opposed to a standalone experience being developed separate from the main game.

Since when is a multiplayer mode for a game a standalone experience now? Was GTA online a separate experience even though it released after GTA5 was already out? If this gets an okay by fanboys expect every publisher to jump on this. There's no way Rockstar is releasing GTA6 with the multiplayer included if they see then can get away with charging it separately, all they have to do is tell gullible fans it was too ambitious and is a "standalone experience."

 

[ethomaz]

This exactly.



I don't see a problem at all, but a lot of people figure because 1 had it 2 needs it as well. That's a logical jump. Nobody has even said it's in the same universe. Nothing is being split because the MP component doesn't exist. How can you split what isn't part of a whole?

It is pretty clear the team created the MP from ND words.

In fact ND in a lot of interviews said TLOU2 has multiplayer until yesterday they said it was removed.

 

[Tetraeon]

Since when is a multiplayer mode for a game a standalone experience now? Was GTA online a separate experience even though it released after GTA5 was already out? If this gets an okay by fanboys expect every publisher to jump on this. There's no way Rockstar is releasing GTA6 with the multiplayer included if they see then can get away with charging it separately, all they have to do is tell gullible fans it was too ambitious and is a "standalone experience."

So developers splitting their efforts and focusing on different game modes is seen as greedy now? I'd prefer it. Quality over quantity.

It's not like they are cutting a pie in half and selling you each half individually for the price of a whole pie. They're making two of them, each with a different flavor but each as good as the latter. How is this a bad thing?

It is pretty clear the team created the MP from ND words.

In fact ND in a lot of interviews said TLOU2 has multiplayer until yesterday they said it was removed.

Well of course. All studios do this. They're allowed to re-appropriate content from their older games and re-use the ideas and concepts in new ones. Rockstar does this all the time.

 

[sol_bad]

I'm not a big multiplayer person but can't we wait and see how "ambitious" their single player game is firstly before we go all crazy?
If both projects really do turn out to be ambitious, I don't see this as a bad thing.
They might sell the multiplayer game for $20-$30 for all we know. If it comes out 6-8 months later, is that really a bad thing?

 

[GHG]

Because you don't remove content form sequels? TLOU was always a SP + MP game sold at $60... why split it to sell separated?

Because they have slaved away making a singleplayer game over the course of this generation.

You act like they have the MP just sitting there ready to go and they are just holding it back. It wouldn't even be in Sony's best interests to do so since it would sell PS+ subs. Their MP project is still to be fully realised.

Can you even read? The second paragraph in the tweet spells it all out for you.

 

[Passive_Bob]

Since when is a multiplayer mode for a game a standalone experience now? Was GTA online a separate experience even though it released after GTA5 was already out? If this gets an okay by fanboys expect every publisher to jump on this. There's no way Rockstar is releasing GTA6 with the multiplayer included if they see then can get away with charging it separately, all they have to do is tell gullible fans it was too ambitious and is a "standalone experience."

You are looking at it all wrong. If Naughty Dog has decided to make a standalone game - which they have - then it won't just be a "mode", but a full-fleshed game. Have some faith.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

So developers splitting their efforts and focusing on different game modes is seen as greedy now? I'd prefer it. Quality over quantity.

It's not like they are cutting a pie in half and selling you each half individually for the price of a whole pie. They're making two of them, each with a different flavor but each as good as the latter. How is this a bad thing?

You have no idea if that is true.

 

[Tetraeon]

You act like they have the MP just sitting there ready to go and they are just holding it back. It wouldn't even be in Sony's best interests to do so since it would sell PS+ subs. Their MP project is still to be fully realised.

How are you the only one that gets this.

You have no idea if that is true.

That's what the tweet reads like.

 

[Passive_Bob]

How are you the only one that gets this.

Hey, don't forget me.

 

[ethomaz]

Because they have slaved away making a singleplayer game over the course of this generation.

You act like they have the MP just sitting there ready to go and they are just holding it back. It wouldn't even be in Sony's best interests to do so since it would sell PS+ subs.

Can you even read? The second paragraph in the tweet spells it all out for you.

The tweet says they had worked in the mp plus they said before dozen of times TLOU2 will include MP.

Now few months before release they say that the MP they created become so big that they wont include it on TLOU2 anymore and instead will release it as a new game.

And unbelievable... it seems fine for some here lol

What I hate in competition happening in house with my platform choice... of course I won't be polite to them.
It is ridiculous.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

You are looking at it all wrong. If Naughty Dog has decided to make a standalone game - which they have - then it won't just be a "mode", but a full-fleshed game. Have some faith.

Sorry I don't have blind faith in a video game company. Remember in Black Ops 4 how the online was gonna be more fleshed out because it didn't have a campaign, then it releases and the online has the same amount of content as normal and 70% of it's guns and maps are recycled.

That's what the tweet reads like.

Its PR.

 

[Iorv3th]

I don't play the multiplayer in their games anyways.

 

[GHG]

How are you the only one that gets this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one...

Between this and the "is Ellie on steroids" thread the level of idiocy on display is quite concerning.

Literal conspiracy theories in this thread.

They're out to get us and ring out wallets dry, we can't let them get away with this!!!

 

[Passive_Bob]

Sorry I don't have blind faith in a video game company. Remember in Black Ops 4 how the online was gonna be more fleshed out because it didn't have a campaign, then it releases and the online has the same amount of content as normal and 70% of it's guns and maps are recycled.

Its PR.

Well, maybe you should. Tell me, when was the last time Naughty Dog let you down? When was the last time they made a bad game?

Listen, when this gets announced, and if the content doesn't justify a standalone game, then I'll be in your corner, but being upset at this stage just makes you seem incredibly entitled.

Again, have some faith.

P.S. Don't compare Naughty Dog with Call of Duty developers, it's not fair.

 

[Dane]

Don't tell me they're going full Syphon Filter Combat Ops all over again.

But I think it only means that they might be developing later, maybe as a freebie?

 

[FranXico]

Called it.

There's a high chance that multiplayer will be released as a stand alone game later. The Last of Us: Factions. Featuring pay-to-win, of course.

Sony is getting extremely predictable.

 

[GenericUser]

So this is the new thing? Saying stupid shit like "the singleplayer is the most amibitous yadda yadda yadda" and hide the MP behind a second paywall? No thanks.

 

[ethomaz]

Tell me, when was the last time Naughty Dog let you down?

Few hours ago when a feature they announced in their game over and over again was removed few months before launch.

 

[sol_bad]

Agreed. In this case, unfortunately, I think I got things backward. : P

Looks like there’s two separate teams on this?

The text talks about 2 visions, that doesn't mean there are 2 teams.

 

[ethomaz]

The text talks about 2 visions, that doesn't mean there are 2 teams.

They talk about development not vision... they where developing the Faction MP in parallel when their vision ($$$) grew so big that they changed plans...

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Sorry I don't have blind faith in a video game company. Remember in Black Ops 4 how the online was gonna be more fleshed out because it didn't have a campaign, then it releases and the online has the same amount of content as normal and 70% of it's guns and maps are recycled.

Having faith in Activision was your first mistake there.

 

[Iced Arcade]

judging by replies... gamers are going to make it ok for dev's to split up modes and sell them individually next gen.

Makes sense... 360/PS3 we got unlocked on disk dlc, this gen loot boxes, next gen game modes sold individually.

But jokes aside, this really could be a ftp game. Just supported with paid content within.

 

[sol_bad]

They talk about development not vision... they where developing the Faction MP in parallel when their vision ($$$) grew so big that they changed plans...

Take that pole out of your arse.
They talk about wanting to present both visions, nothing about separate development teams.
If and when they announce a bullshit payment scheme for the separate multiplayer mode, then you can stick the pole back in your butt.

 

[ethomaz]

Take that pole out of your arse.
They talk about wanting to present both visions, nothing about separate development teams.
If and when they announce a bullshit payment scheme for the separate multiplayer mode, then you can stick the pole back in your butt.

Are you blind? It right there... they said they begin the development and after their vision ($$$) become bigger than expected lol

Funny how to defense atrocious decisions people even stop to read.

 

[jakinov]

If single-player alone is not worth your money then don't buy it or buy it when it's cheaper. AAA Games with different budgets and quantity of content all cost the same. There's no objective reasoning for what should or shouldn't be included in a $60 game. There's just your subjective view on whether or not something is worth your money at a given price at a given time.

 

[Swipeyowifelike]

So are people asking to go back to last gen when mp modes were tacked on so people had a sense of getting what they paid for? And for the people whining about paying twice, please show me where the words: pay, charge or money came up? We all know RDO and GTAO exsist......right?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

2007: Buy Game for $60, MP included, map packs for $10

2012: Buy game for $60, MP included, season pass for $60

2019: Buy game for $60, MP included, maps and DLC are free, but there's microtrans

TLoU2: Buy game for $60, add MP for $60. Revenue innovation at its finest

 

[sol_bad]

Are you blind? It right there... they said they begin the development and after their vision ($$$) become bigger than expected lol

Funny how to defense atrocious decisions people even stop to read.

That's correct, it says their vision became bigger. That doesn't mean that it is 2 separate development teams.
Do you think people would be happy if a new trailer was released today and they were informed today that TLOU2 as a whole was delayed just because the multiplayer aspect wasn't ready? I think there would be a bigger uproar if the whole game was delayed just for the sake of multiplayer.

And again, I say, wait until pricing announcements are made, if there is a price involved. It might be released for free like RDR2 for all we know.

 

[shaddam]

Maybe they want to make a big multiplayer title for the ps5 start. I really enjoyed factions on ps3, played less on ps4. Cant wait to execute some ps plus noobs when the game becames free

 

[shoegaze]

This is great news for the people that were sobbing in the other thread over MP. I hope this becomes a thing that catches on. Too long single player experiences have been gimped by dedicating time and money to MP part of the game. Conversely too much focus is spent on sp part of the game for others.

As I see it, we're paying the same but receiving more and better. The only ones that are going to be affected negatively are the bargain hunters. The 2 for the price of 1 lovers. The gobblers.

Based Naughty Gods.

 

[ksdixon]

i don't agree with this out of pure principle. If it was any other game I'd probably be screaming from the rooftops.

However, that multiplayer is crack. I played it almost every day for like 5 years, and followed-it from PS3 onto PS4. I WILL pay for it on it's own, because I know how fun it was the first go around. I feel like they've earnt that investment.

I don't think you can really get a stronger endorsement of TLOU1's MP than that. People are willing to pay for a quality product.

 

[Pallas]

So a stand alone multiplayer game? Since it won’t be included in TLOU2, I’m wondering if it’ll be F2P, maybe go the Apex/Fortnite route with it?

 

[Business]

Hopefully it will not take ages.

Also, please no F2P bullshit.

 

[Swipeyowifelike]

Its official. "Gamers" is now now a euphemism for whiney reactionary bitches. We haven't even heard how they plan on rolling this out, and the "thought experiments" have already started rolling out. If I see slippery slope written I might kill somebodies mom.
Dedicated dodge and prone buttons. Alot more balancing without even known what the overall thing will be.

 

[Hissing Sid]

Jesus, gamers really are the biggest marks on the planet aren’t they?

*Someone at ND headquarters* ‘It’ll never work, gamers will never go for it’.

*Someone else at ND headquarters* ‘Lol, are you shitting me? They’ll buy it, defend it, promote it and thank us for it......’. *Snigger*

 

[Mista]

The backlash was real

 

[dan76]

I don't care if it's a separate game, I'll buy it. Just so long as it's coming at some point. My guess is it will be a stand alone game but if you own the base game you can download it as dlc. Take my money.

 

[Krappadizzle]

So are people asking to go back to last gen when mp modes were tacked on so people had a sense of getting what they paid for? And for the people whining about paying twice, please show me where the words: pay, charge or money came up? We all know RDO and GTAO exsist......right?

Did you play factions? It was far from tacked on and a lot of fun.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

If they ask money for it it would mean they're offering something substantive, but if you're a Gaf concern troll you believe they'll charge 60 for the exact same thing you got free with Last of Us... all praise the Gaf concern troll for worrying about things that won't come to pass.

 

[mejin]

multiplayer is probably a spin of the main series.

I see no problems here.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Inside the demo with ND developers.





This game looks phenomenal, wish this was a Nov. release

 

[quickwhips]

FTP so they don’t feel so bad about jamming it full of micro transactions.

Why must you torment me like this. I got excited that we had news then sad.

 

[Verdanth]

While I appreciate the fact the game is single-player only, don't count with me to pay for a multiplayer DLC at full retail price.

That's just ridiculous.

They're basically trying to do what Capcom is doing with Resident Evil, making a multiplayer spinoff with their engine based on the Last of Us universe.

Milking the cow, baby.

 

[quickwhips]

It reads like they are developing an entirely separate multiplayer game that may or may not even be related to Tlou2's universe. How is that a problem?

Honestly, people love to whine and moan these days. Get some fresh air guys.

Personally i have no interest in the single player so depending on the cost it might save me money.

 

[Dante83]

They better patch it into the main game later on, and not charge for the MP as a separate standalone. I don't want any controversy and hate surrounding this release.

 

[Shagger]

They better patch it into the main game later on, and not charge for the MP as a separate standalone. I don't want any controversy and hate surrounding this release.

Sadly, I don't think you'll get your wish. I'm ok with it being a standalone because people might just one or the other, but I'm sure they'll charge extra.