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[CoolOff]

I think it's a mistake to handle this Weinsten issue with a "but Trump!"

Plus, CNN came down hard on Trump with the tape. Feel bad that voters didn't care.

This.

Given the extended timeperiod this has been going on, as well as his prolific behaviour, people need to come out and deny knowledge immediately.

Pointing out conservative hypocrisy just isn't useful in handling this issue.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Some of yall just really really wanna make every thread the Fuck Hillary thread, huh

 

[D i Z]

Has he passed the point of getting shanked on his first day in the yard yet?

 

[Bill R Boggess]

The optics are a bunch people who support and watch sexual predators/harassers on television every day and voted one into office who also went on record supporting a serial sexual harasser after he left crying foul that Hillary took too long to condemn a sexual harasser.

The optics on this should be fucking awful for conservatives. The country should collectively be asking, "Are you fucking kidding here?" The fact that we somehow think the optics are bad for Hillary is why this country is so utterly fucked. To be fair I'm not saying you're wrong. They probably are bad for Hillary and the democrats, but jesus fucking christ that's insanity. Trump had similar accusations. The propaganda arm for the republican party has accusations hitting some anchor every couple weeks. Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly had to fucking leave, and then O'Reilly is back on Hannity's show once in a while anyway. And on top of that then Trump tweets out his fucking support of Ailes afterwards. And we're supposed to be dumbfounded at a few days late for Hillary?

Fuck all that noise.

I agree but that's not how it will play out.

Again, just commenting on the fact that HRC and Obama should have jumped out in front of this ASAP so as not to give their enemies ammunition.

 

[Boke1879]

Who are you getting upset at?

She was slow to respond, she's responded, case closed. It's not that big of deal but like I keep pointing out, her reluctance to speak out sooner looked bad but now that she has, hopefully the GOP won't try and make it a focal point.

Again, I was just commenting on the article and the optics of her not responding sooner.

My point. Why does she need to say ANYTHING about it at this point. If she was President? Sure.

If that's the case are we going to give shit to all the women in the industry that knew but remained quiet?

My point is. Why is this even about Hillary and when she decided to say something? She needs to shut up, but lets get mad because she didn't speak fast enough about this?

 

[Lights and Waves]

Some of yall just really really wanna make every thread the Fuck Hillary thread, huh

This site is fucking insufferable when it comes to HRC. Literally every problem on Earth is somehow her fault, according to GAF.

 

[trembli0s]

The optics are worse for Democrats because nobody in the GOP really cares all that much about white men abusing their privilege and authority. That's just the way the world works in their eyes, and in a vast majority of the world it does work that way.

On the other hand you have Democrats who have lambasted Trump, rightfully, for every crude and sexist remark he's made in his life but were somehow unaware that Weinstein was a fucking scumbag of the highest order. This is the optics problem.

For fuck's sake, our must current President's daughter interned for the guy and she could have any job in the country she wanted. That implicitly signals trust in Weinstein.

 

[Madness]

Has he passed the point of getting shanked on his first day in the yard yet?

He is almost a billionaire and white and rich. He not getting prosecuted ever. And if he does, he will be given a country club style mickey mouse place to spend hia days getting Goodfellas like treatment.

 

[lenovox1]

I think it's a mistake to handle this Weinsten issue with a "but Trump!"

Plus, CNN came down hard on Trump with the tape. Feel bad that voters didn't care.

What about, "But Cain? But Hassert? But Ailes? But O'Reilly? But ad infinitum?"

Absolutely no conservative could go on a political angle on this and come out looking clean by their own standards. This should not be about Clinton at all.

This should be about the freaking victims and the toxic culture around sex in Hollywood!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

CNN Just dropped this.

Clinton and Obama and any other key Democrats better get out in front of this fast.

Fuck off, Cizzilla.

 

[RDreamer]

This should be about the freaking victims and the toxic culture around sex in Hollywood!

Right, this should be about the victims right now. This is the very definition of politicizing something, because it doesn't help anyone to start screaming about who's saying what about it.

I'd also like to add to this, though, that it's not just toxic culture in Hollywood. It's toxic culture everywhere in this country. Men with power are pigs. Not just in Hollywood but in almost every institution and business around.

 

[Bill R Boggess]

My point. Why does she need to say ANYTHING about it at this point. If she was President? Sure.

If that's the case are we going to give shit to all the women in the industry that knew but remained quiet?

My point is. Why is this even about Hillary and when she decided to say something? She needs to shut up, but lets get mad because she didn't speak fast enough about this?

Well, if she's going to continue being a part of the Democratic Party in any fashion then I would argue she has an obligation to think smartly and strategically.

Also, I'm not giving shit to Hillary. I'm saying she should have responded more quickly because she has nothing to hide.

And yes, to be fair, anyone who reads anything that deep into her delay is blowing the issue out of proportion but hey, welcome to politics.

 

[KHarvey16]

The optics are worse for Democrats because nobody in the GOP really cares all that much about white men abusing their privilege and authority. That's just the way the world works in their eyes, and in a vast majority of the world it does work that way.

On the other hand you have Democrats who have lambasted Trump, rightfully, for every crude and sexist remark he's made in his life but were somehow unaware that Weinstein was a fucking scumbag of the highest order. This is the optics problem.

For fuck's sake, our must current President's daughter interned for the guy and she could have any job in the country she wanted. That implicitly signals trust in Weinstein.

Obama’s knew Harvey Weinstein was a sexual predator and sent his daughter to work for him? Is that your working thesis here?

 

[captjohnboyd]

Wasn't there a famous photographer who worked for one of the big entertainment magazines who had the same MO?

Terry Richardson. He's way worse in my opinion and the fashion industry still works with him to this day. It's disgusting. Hopefully this means his time will come too

 

[Bill R Boggess]

Sincerely, I regret posting the link.

People seem to think I was endorsing the idea that Clinton did something wrong, outside of a bit of poor strategy.

 

[BotoxAgent]

The optics are worse for Democrats because nobody in the GOP really cares all that much about white men abusing their privilege and authority. That's just the way the world works in their eyes, and in a vast majority of the world it does work that way.

On the other hand you have Democrats who have lambasted Trump, rightfully, for every crude and sexist remark he's made in his life but were somehow unaware that Weinstein was a fucking scumbag of the highest order. This is the optics problem.

For fuck's sake, our must current President's daughter interned for the guy and she could have any job in the country she wanted. That implicitly signals trust in Weinstein.

except Republicans actually have sexual predators still holding elected office

 

[Arkeband]

I wonder if Quentin Tarantino is complicit in any of this, aren’t all of his films funded by Weinstein? And he’s kind of a known perv.

 

[Bill R Boggess]

Some of yall just really really wanna make every thread the Fuck Hillary thread, huh

Seriously, like who?

I personally voted for her in the general.

I think I saw like one person attack her in here. Everyone else came to her defense.

 

[Log4Girlz]

How many Harvey Weinsteins have their been in Hollywood since it's beginning I wonder.

It's sad that this only gets revealed now

 

[Boke1879]

Sincerely, I regret posting the link.

People seem to think I was endorsing the idea that Clinton did something wrong, outside of a bit of poor strategy.

No I'm not mad at you. I just think this article is designed to prey on you and get you worked up.

People in this thread think Hillary and Obama and dems need to JUMP in front of this. Even though this isn't political at all.

 

[Apathy]

Remember when he thought "intense counseling" was going to get him off the hook. Yeah, no sicko

 

[jmdajr]

How many Harvey Weinsteins have their been in Hollywood since it's beginning I wonder.

It's sad that this only gets revealed now

That's the scary part. Hundreds probably. Thousands.

 

[tbm24]

This.

Given the extended timeperiod this has been going on, as well as his prolific behaviour, people need to come out and deny knowledge immediately.

Pointing out conservative hypocrisy just isn't useful in handling this issue.

In the context of turning this into a democratic witch hunt, you're right none of it is helpful. So even going there or bringing up Clinton or Obama is unhelpful.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I wonder if Quentin Tarantino is complicit in any of this, aren’t all of his films funded by Weinstein? And he’s kind of a known perv.

I wonder the same, but as far as I know, his previshness stops at feet. I've never heard of him leveraging his power over an actress.

Not that it definitely hasn't happened, but it's not out there the same way this was.

 

[KHarvey16]

Coming out as fast as you can to forcefully deny you knew anything is a perfect strategy. It definitely makes it look like you knew nothing when you do that.

 

[Bill R Boggess]

No I'm not mad at you. I just think this article is designed to prey on you and get you worked up.

People in this thread think Hillary and Obama and dems need to JUMP in front of this. Even though this isn't political at all.

I think they should have done so for the broader good of the party but it's not as if I think it was some egregious misstep.

I'm just a firm believer in not giving your enemies ammunition, especially given how lacking on common sense and logical thinking many of the GOP voters sadly are.

 

[Ridley327]

I wonder if Quentin Tarantino is complicit in any of this, aren't all of his films funded by Weinstein? And he's kind of a known perv.

He's been silent since this came out. I don't know if it's necessarily because of any personal involvement, but Quentin and Harvey have long been friends outside of the business of making movies. QT's proclivities aren't particularly well hidden, but I don't think there's been any talk of anything serious beyond "he's been known to do some drugs from time to time" and "he has a fetish or two that he doesn't hide from the world in his films."

I do dread the eventual "he's not that bad a guy, honest!" response he'll give, since he's the last of Harvey's golden boys that stuck around.

 

[Bill R Boggess]

Coming out as fast as you can to forcefully deny you knew anything is a perfect strategy. It definitely makes it look like you knew nothing when you do that.

Too fast is probably a bad move too but there's no reason to lag behind so many others within your own party.

And again, it's not a huge deal either way.

 

[And_Gignac]

I don't fucking understand this. He's a garbage piece of shit, regardless of political affiliation. He should have lost his job, which he did. She should have come out sooner to shun him, but still...why the fuck is this political?

It's infuriating.

Politicians are responsible for the people they receive money from. In this case, specially because of how much money Harvey gave and how widespread the rumors about his behavior were already. I dont see why people are surprised that this is tainting the Clinton campaign.

 

[jph139]

How many Harvey Weinsteins have their been in Hollywood since it's beginning I wonder.

It's sad that this only gets revealed now

I mean, two hundred years ago this wouldn't even be an issue. Hell, the women probably would be punished for impropriety and he'd go on living his life. Hollywood was built on misogyny same as every other industry.

I mean, modern society, by and large, was built by men in order to serve men at the expense of all others. The fact that we're finally reaching a point where these scumbags can be held accountable is good news, even if the fact they exist at all is a tragedy.

When your body is sick, you're gonna make a mess getting that sickness out. It's not gonna be pretty, and it's gonna hurt, but it's better than keeping it inside.

What I'm saying is Harvey Weinstein is puke and I'm glad he's being puked up.

 

[Arkeband]

He's been silent since this came out. I don't know if it's necessarily because of any personal involvement, but Quentin and Harvey have long been friends outside of the business of making movies. QT's proclivities aren't particularly well hidden, but I don't think there's been any talk of anything serious beyond "he's been known to do some drugs from time to time" and "he has a fetish or two that he doesn't hide from the world in his films."

I do dread the eventual "he's not that bad a guy, honest!" response he'll give, since he's the last of Harvey's golden boys that stuck around.

He could just be silent because he’s fairly reclusive and is on a foot-bender, but it is odd.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

That's the scary part. Hundreds probably. Thousands.

No, the real scary part is even after yet another person gets exposed, how many more people will do the same exact thing? How many more will people turn a blind eye to all while doing the same or worse?

 

[teiresias]

It all depends on how it's handled.

Hillary and Obama staying quiet looks bad.

Hillary especially given that she ran on the platform of gender equality coupled with the fact that she took more money from Harvey than anyone else.

I literally cannot fathom the delay in her response.

Maybe because many, including a large contingent on GAF, tell her to go away and shut up the minute she says anything anyway? These punks need to make up their minds.

Politicians are responsible for the people they receive money from. In this case, specially because of how much money Harvey gave and how widespread the rumors about his behavior were already. I dont see why people are surprised that this is tainting the Clinton campaign.

The campaign? There's no campaign anymore. The rest of us are living in October of 2017.

 

[Bill R Boggess]

Maybe because many, including a large contingent on GAF, tell her to go away the minute she says anything anyway? These punks need to make up their minds.

I can't really speak to that.

This was a minor misstep at worst; an optics blunder.

 

[kirblar]

Politicians are responsible for the people they receive money from. In this case, specially because of how much money Harvey gave and how widespread the rumors about his behavior were already. I dont see why people are surprised that this is tainting the Clinton campaign.

THERE IS NO CLINTON CAMPAIGN

 

[trembli0s]

Obama’s knew Harvey Weinstein was a sexual predator and sent his daughter to work for him? Is that your working thesis here?

My working thesis is that everybody in Hollywood absolutely knew about Weinstein's proclivities and despite that fact NOBODY told the Obamas that they were sending their daughter to work for a scumbag. That's bad optics, period, particularly for a President who has appeared at multiple venues and fundraisers with all these Hollywood figures who absolutely KNEW what kind of character Harvey had.

Either those actors failed to inform the Obamas, which makes them fucking hypocrites, or the Obamas didn't care enough because their daughter holds much more power than a run of the mill actress. Which is a terrible message to send to young women you claim to represent against male harassment.

 

[Shadybiz]

Politicians are responsible for the people they receive money from. In this case, specially because of how much money Harvey gave and how widespread the rumors about his behavior were already. I dont see why people are surprised that this is tainting the Clinton campaign.

Quick test: What year is it??

 

[KHarvey16]

My working thesis is that everybody in Hollywood absolutely knew about Weinstein's proclivities and despite that fact NOBODY told the Obamas that they were sending their daughter to work for a scumbag. That's bad optics, period, particularly for a President who has appeared at multiple venues and fundraisers with all these Hollywood figures who absolutely KNEW what kind of character Harvey had.

Either those actors failed to inform the Obamas, which makes them fucking hypocrites, or the Obamas didn't care enough because their daughter holds much more power than a run of the mill actress. Which is a terrible message to send to young women you claim to represent against male harassment.

Or perhaps your initial assumption that everyone knew everything isn’t correct?

 

[And_Gignac]

THERE IS NO CLINTON CAMPAIGN

Oh my God, really!? I had no idea.

Way to avoid addressing the point arguing semantics.

"Former Clinton campaign"
"Democratic Party former political campaign"
"2020 Clintons aspirations"

Spoiler

Better?

 

[Linkura]

Just read the entirety of Ronan's article. That's a doozy. Really hope this guy goes to jail somehow.

 

[midramble]

Sincerely, I regret posting the link.

People seem to think I was endorsing the idea that Clinton did something wrong, outside of a bit of poor strategy.

Because it's a ridiculous angle and you're saying it's a legitimate angle. Of course Rs may use it as an angle but hell they will use massacres that didn't happen as an angle. To aknowlege a rediculius claim is to give it some legitimacy. Dont feed trolls. Or troll articles in this case.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Since Dems are terrible at controlling the narrative, I can see this as just a shiny silver bullet for Repubs to use as elections are coming in. Sigh..

 

[Tovarisc]

Since Dems are terrible at controlling the narrative, I can see this as just a shiny silver bullet for Repubs to use as elections are coming in. Sigh..

Couldn't Dems just fire back by pointing finger at Groper in Chief?

 

[trembli0s]

Or perhaps your initial assumption that everyone knew everything isn’t correct?

Nah, come off that. All the tweets support that almost everyone knew. Chastain, Paltrow, Matt Damon, the Afflecks, Russel Crowe, Meryl Streep, Ashley Judd, Lena Dunham, etc.

The NYT called more than 40(!!!) industry professionals who flatly REFUSED to comment for the story.

There are multiple stories out there now stating that this is not uncommon in Hollywood and people in the business know about this.

You can't tell me that the Democratic Party machinery didn't know this guy had some fucking massive skeletons in his closet. For a First Family as squeaky clean as the Obamas to get pulled into this is bad optically.

 

[Lois_Lane]

Since Dems are terrible at controlling the narrative, I can see this as just a shiny silver bullet for Repubs to use as elections are coming in. Sigh..

They invented a conspiracy about child sex ring located in the nonexistent basement of a hipster pizza place. EVERYTHING IS FUCKING AMMUNITION. What do you people want?

 

[BotoxAgent]

Better?

No

 

[Raptomex]

I was reading some of these on my lunch break. Sickening. Dude is a fucking rapist.

 

[Wet Bloodfart]

just heard that tape on CNN. what a bastard ...how many times does someone have to say 'no'?

absolutely pathetic that Hillary Clinton, who is supposedly a champion of women, took this long to come out and condemn this pig.

and where is Obama?

good Lord.

WHY IS THIS POLITICAL.

 

[KHarvey16]

I’m so glad we could focus on what really matters here, which is imagined vague consequences for political parties pulled directly from one’s ass.

I’m so glad these women could come forward to give us this gift.

 

[Shaanyboi]

How many Harvey Weinsteins have their been in Hollywood since it's beginning I wonder.

It's sad that this only gets revealed now

Safe bet? Most of them. And I'm giving more leeway than is probably earned.

But I'd say you'd be a damn fool to assume this wasn't the case before the Weistein story broke.