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Nintendo's New Age of Waifus: or, Is There Merit to the Kimishima Meme?

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Ogodei

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The meme being this one:

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There's explicit proof of this being a strategy with regards to Intelligent Systems saving Fire Emblem from falling into the scrap heap of forgotten Nintendo franchises (alas, poor Advance Wars). Fire Emblem Awakening was designed around quality of life improvements, but aside from the introduction of casual mode, it's easy to forget that earlier Fire Emblem games had QoL features to them as well, like Shadow Dragon having bonus chapters only accessible if you lost too many units, Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn with their Bonus EXP system, or Sacred Stones' gaiden style allowing for out-of-story grinding, Fire Emblem's been trying to go easier on players a long time before the series was "saved" with the 2013 entry.

What set Awakening apart was doubling down on the support convo system and making it into a practical Visual Novel system of being able to marry off almost everyone in your army and getting them to have babies. That along with a user self-insert character in the form of Robin meant (if you played Robin male) you could have your very own waifu.

Not to mention the character designs, which sexualized the women of FE a *lot* more than previous games in the franchise, Tharja and Nowi being the infamous examples for different reasons, but folks like Sumia, Cherche, or how Lucina was characterized made them waifu bait in other capacities.

Then, of course, there's Fire Emblem Fates, especially on the... uh... Nohrian side.

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Setting aside what she's wearing and how that even works as armor, Camilla's personality is enough to make Tharja look downright tame. Fates balances it with also starting to sexualize the men a lot more too (fitting, since in Awakening, the child that was born depended upon which mother was married, while in Fates, the father determines which child is unlocked, so gameplay-wise it's a husbando simulator), but that's just two-sides of the same coin: fan-bait for folks attracted to men to supplement the bait for folks attracted to women.

Fire Emblem is important to talk about not only because it was the explicit example (where we *know* that the franchise was in peril before IS took on the changes it did), but because it sits at a time in Nintendo's history before this practice proliferated in other games.

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Splatoon gave us the Squid Sisters, who weren't (initially!) sexualized but were built as pop idols, J-pop idols famously having a bunch of bizarre lifestyle rules to conform to because their producers want to milk the waifu factor for all it's worth.

Splatoon 2 (spoilers follow)
milks this tendency further by having Callie get kidnapped, brainwashed, and turned evil. Corrupted Callie's outfit is... something, though Marie too gets a bit of a waifu upgrade with her traditional Japanese garb going for a Yamato Nadeshiko archetype).
, so they take what worked about the Squid Sisters from a fan appeal perspective and amp it up, along with giving us...


And here you see the ramping-up continue, with Marina being unquestionably sexualized compared to either Callie or Marie (at least, Splatoon 1 Callie), and Pearl is also designed to appeal to a sort of jerkass-loli archetype that's more appealing in Japan.

Breath of the Wild goes through this with the Memories, which include two PoV bits about Link with two different girls who have feelings for him, the demure, Hinata-Hyuuga-esque Mipha who has unrequited love for Link or Zelda whose emotional journey is meant to be the centerpoint of the memories. Then you've got Urbosa and the Gerudo tribe as a whole, eye-candy the lot of them (although the subject of many think-pieces asking whether this is good or bad, and Nintendo did a lot of very good things with their representation of the Gerudo both as women and as women of color, but the eye-candy aspect shouldn't be downplayed).

The Princess and the Queen.

Then there's ARMS, where you've got a diverse group of women fighters, but each appealing in their own way. Ribbon Girl, another idol, Mechanica, an underdog fighter who's also a cute genki girl, Min Min, a Chinese-inspired fighter, and Twintelle.

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A lot going on with Twintelle in terms of gender and racial dynamics.

Then there's Xenoblade 2 and Pyra, but Monolith Soft is a special case since they were making waifu-type characters long before the Nintendo acquisition (Kos-MOS is still famous in a certain section of fandom).

Hell, you could even argue Bayonetta was part of this strategy. B2 as a Wii U exclusive was a coup on gaming forums even if B2 didn't do much of anything to help Wii U sell, and then fan demand brought Bayonetta into Smash Bros as one of the last DLC characters. She definitely fits into this story, and the timing of her entry into the Nintendo sphere (2012) fits with the timeline presented here. As does, potentially, Kid Icarus Uprising which brought Palutena into the foreground, as well as spending a lot of time with Viridi, a new goddess made for the game.

All of this leading to the two questions of discussion:
1) Hard to argue Nintendo isn't doing this deliberately, but how much weight are they putting on the waifu factor? It's hard to say that many of these games (aside from Bayonetta or Fire Emblem) would have sold worse without the sex appeal factors because they're still very solid games, so how much is this really helping Nintendo's current business plan?

2) How well do you think Nintendo's pulling off sex-appeal fanservice compared to other Japanese companies?

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Concluding image: this was an official Nintendo promo for Smash 4.
 
If I had a one-use time machine I'd use it to prevent the word "waifu" from ever being coined.

EDIT: also the word "loli" literally has pedophile connotations stop using it like it's nothing holy fuck
 

HawthorneKitty

Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Why can't we blame the culture around fans waifuing everything instead and Nintendo is just doing what they would have done?
 
Enough asses and breasts, where are the barrel-chested man-beasts that were promised to me, Nintendo. Link's bird chest isn't doing it for me.
 

CryptiK

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If I had a one-use time machine I'd use it to prevent the word "waifu" from ever being coined.

EDIT: also the word "loli" literally has pedophile connotations stop using it like it's nothing holy fuck
Yeah its pretty gross. The reveal thread for the two new splatoon characters was also pretty gross. They are pretty much children.
 

Kyuur

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People who want Nintendo to hop onto industry trends faster must be giddy, they were on point with this one!
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Some gamers really cant cope with women/girls in their games....every person that doesnt look like Mario or Nathan Drake will be labeled as a Waifu...lol.
 

bluexy

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Having trouble telling if this is a thread about sexual objectification coming from Japanese developers or just Japanese female characters that nerds obsess over regardless of sexual objectification.
 

Slixshot

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Some gamers really cant cope with women/girls in their games....every person that doesnt look like Mario or Nathan Drake will be labeled as a Waifu...lol.

for real. These characters have very interesting designs and the only one that looks sexualized is in the gif above
 
The meme doesn't make as much sense when it's weirdly cropped out without the full Koizumi pic.

But it's just Nintendo making good character designs which they've usually been good at. They just made a lot of new ones recently
 
Pearl is not loli. I will not post loli related picks here but pearl really is as loli as an inkling girl.


Also someone forgot rosalina and daisy in their nariokart/ strikers attires
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Nintendo is super horny now I'm looking forward to them hornying up all their IPs.
 
This is going to be a toxic thread.

Nintendo has been incredibly inclusive lately. This is not a bad thing, even if it is via 'waifu-bait' characters.
 

poodaddy

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If I had a one-use time machine I'd use it to prevent the word "waifu" from ever being coined.

EDIT: also the word "loli" literally has pedophile connotations stop using it like it's nothing holy fuck
This is all turbo true. This whole OP just made me uncomfortable.
 

kewlmyc

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God, I hate the word "waifu" so much. "Best Girl" is also such a groan worthy phrase. Sadly, it's imbedded into pretty much any Japanese piece of media discussion at this point.
 
This thread is gonna go great. Just great. No problems here.

I really really don't think this thread should have been made right now considering we have two threads that are being mocked and destroyed for being "Nintendo fanboy shill" threads. This will only make it worse.
 
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