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Circumcision.. What do Evolutionary Biologists/Naturalists/Darwinists think?
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Gravy Boat
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I've no idea how legit this is, but if there are actually 170 deaths a year annually a a result of circumcision then that alone is reason to stop doing it. Especially since it's completely pointless.
https://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
https://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
HappehLemons
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So you do you think getting cut as a baby can cause PTSD?
Sorry I didn't lookup the source, but to me It is painfully obvious a baby getting cut isn't causing people PTSD because you would have to remember the experience to begin with. The myth is either misleading or using bad information and it's making it's other points less creditable by doing so.
I'm also sure that there are some cases of depression caused by getting cut, but it is heavily outweighed by those documented cases of men who aren't cut and have been embarrassed by women and men alike for being different. There's a higher chance of having those symptoms if you aren't cut. Just doing a quick google search I'm sure will give you pages on pages of results of people wishing they had been cut to fit in and the issues they have had.
I am not saying this should be a reason to get cut, and it is not right to make fun or treat some different because of this - I am saying this point is moot and factually incorrect at least concerned with PTSD. There are good points to be made here. That is not one of them
AuthenticM
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I was circumsised at birth.
Fuck circumcision. It is genital mutilation and should be outlawed.
Fuck circumcision. It is genital mutilation and should be outlawed.
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This coming from someone who's circumcised.
It's not a huge deal, but leave the choice up to them when they're older.
This. I think it's absolutely unnecessary.
What? If it's a spontaneous root, she isn't going to call things off at the last second because you aren't cut lol. I mean it looks pretty much the same when erect anyway, and it isn't hard to keep yourself clean even with a foreskin.
Granted I don't live in America, so maybe this is a thing there.
Hippopuncher12
Member
We did it for both of our sons. One of them cried for all of 10 seconds the other didn't even seem to notice. I could only imagine how it would be as an adult.
This.
Spaced Harrier
Member
If it's not for medical reasons, it's a legitimately awful thing to do to a baby.
Your baby.
Your baby.
Typhoon_Ex
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Disclaimer: I am not circumcised.
When my child was born the nurse looked at me funny when I said that I will not circumcised my son.
I believe that there is no reason to do it outside of religious beliefs. I actually think it's somewhat barbaric, we accept circumcision for men but female circumcision is called genital mutilation. I don't need to give my son a trauma as soon as he is born, being born is a traumatic experience in itself.
Besides I have a very good sexual life and I don't go around exhibiting my shlong so... Rule of thumb, if you have to ask, don't do it.
When my child was born the nurse looked at me funny when I said that I will not circumcised my son.
I believe that there is no reason to do it outside of religious beliefs. I actually think it's somewhat barbaric, we accept circumcision for men but female circumcision is called genital mutilation. I don't need to give my son a trauma as soon as he is born, being born is a traumatic experience in itself.
Besides I have a very good sexual life and I don't go around exhibiting my shlong so... Rule of thumb, if you have to ask, don't do it.
Subpar Scrub
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Don't mutilate your baby's genitals, please.
If it's a medical reason, then do what you have to do.
If it's for asthetics, you're the same kind of person who would clip a puppy's ears and that's shameful, tbh.
It's their body, so if it's not immediately affecting their health, let them decide.
Awful pain for about half an hour followed by a dull throbbing ache for 3-4 days, according to someone I know who had to have it done at 17 due to medical reasons.
I wouldn't quite take it that far, but those small communities of Rabbi that suck the blood from circumcisions? Yeah, that's definitely sexual assault and insanely fucked up.
If it's a medical reason, then do what you have to do.
If it's for asthetics, you're the same kind of person who would clip a puppy's ears and that's shameful, tbh.
It's their body, so if it's not immediately affecting their health, let them decide.
Awful pain for about half an hour followed by a dull throbbing ache for 3-4 days, according to someone I know who had to have it done at 17 due to medical reasons.
I wouldn't quite take it that far, but those small communities of Rabbi that suck the blood from circumcisions? Yeah, that's definitely sexual assault and insanely fucked up.
But hey, at least they didn't die of phimosis. You know, that silent killer just waiting to strike.
I had no pain (but I was put under), it was just ridiculously sensitive for over a week due to areas being exposed that were not previously.
My procedure was medically necessary and would never recommend it to anyone.
The reason it is pushed in the US so hard has nothing to do with for profit healthcare and the millions generated annually for a unnecessary procedure, honestly!!
Emperor_Uriel
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Uncut American, never had any issues with girlfriends and sexual awkwardness growing up.
Very few girls that are psyched about blowing you will suddenly recoil in fear because your wienie has a turtleneck. If they do, they probably weren't that into you for some other reason to begin with.
Very few girls that are psyched about blowing you will suddenly recoil in fear because your wienie has a turtleneck. If they do, they probably weren't that into you for some other reason to begin with.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Yeah he was knocked out too lol, I think he said he was fine until getting into his car, because he turned awkwardly when sitting down and it caused his pants to pull tight across his crotch lmao.
I felt so bad for him, he walked oddly into a MtG meet up we were having at my house, cracked a beer and started complaining about his junk and how it just wasn't fair hahaha.
Camp Freddie
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Just let them get it done when they're older, if they want to. If it's a significant issue to them, they'll cope with modest discomfort for a few weeks.
The risk of serious negative consequences (infection, permanent damage to the penis, higher chances of erectile dysfuntion) is small, but there's no point in unnecessary risks.
The risk of serious negative consequences (infection, permanent damage to the penis, higher chances of erectile dysfuntion) is small, but there's no point in unnecessary risks.
Abilidebob
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It's quite sad to see how many Gaffers treat this like it should be a "discussion" with "arguments" for "both sides". There's nothing really to discuss. If you're doing it to your baby without an actual medical reason(no, decreased chances of some STDs in some extreme situations isn't a valid reason) you're wrong. Pure and utterly wrong. If your son wants to do it when grown up, that's great! But please, please, don't make a stupid decision that may affect your child for the rest of his life, and one he can't reverse.
I mean, I'm 40 years old and I have never experienced anyone in my life making fun of or saying anything negative about my penis.
This fear of non-conformity is really, really overblown.
I find it really weird how many "I had to get snipped later in life" stories pop up in these threads. I never really hear the why's of those. Why would you need to?
The only medical reason I ran into for doing it to my kids was that it apparently helps prevent HIV (according to the WHO, although the super-anti-circumcision crowd has thrown up so much smoke around that research its hard to figure out anything for a layman). If we lived somewhere where my kids were at high risk of HIV, that probably would have pushed me over the edge. But we don't, so I didn't.
The only medical reason I ran into for doing it to my kids was that it apparently helps prevent HIV (according to the WHO, although the super-anti-circumcision crowd has thrown up so much smoke around that research its hard to figure out anything for a layman). If we lived somewhere where my kids were at high risk of HIV, that probably would have pushed me over the edge. But we don't, so I didn't.
FloatingDivider
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I'm circumcised I always wonder what life would be like if my dickhead had a little jacket or something. That being said I think it was medically warranted for me or that's what my mom always tells me when I'm like why you no love my foreskin? I like my penis and have no complaints about it but I don't think I'd love it any less if I had foreskin. All of my girlfriends that have had enough experience to have a preference say they like it circumcised more though. The two main arguments they have is cleanliness and aesthetics.
That being said if I had to make the choice myself I'd just leave my little mans skinflap intact unless removal is medically warranted.
That being said if I had to make the choice myself I'd just leave my little mans skinflap intact unless removal is medically warranted.
Yep this.
Captainbojanglesiii
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I'm circumcised and honestly I don't think it would have affected my life either way. I guess I'm glad I had it done though? If I ever had a boy, I would definitely not have it done though
I also don't necessarily agree with the "Wait til he changes his mind" argument, as most who get the operation later in life find it pretty miserable, or opt not to because of the potential pain behind it. If you don't get him the circumcision, he probably isn't going to change his mind. Now it doesn't matter all too much, but this is definitely not an ideal option
This is the second day someone has called parents like mine, either directly or indirectly, monsters because of their religion, and even as a non-religious person I'm getting pretty fucking sick of it.
I also don't necessarily agree with the "Wait til he changes his mind" argument, as most who get the operation later in life find it pretty miserable, or opt not to because of the potential pain behind it. If you don't get him the circumcision, he probably isn't going to change his mind. Now it doesn't matter all too much, but this is definitely not an ideal option
Some of the responses to this are pretty ridiculous. Circumcision was and still is the norm in the states, so to claim that all of those people are monsters is a bit much, especially when they had religious reason.
This is the second day someone has called parents like mine, either directly or indirectly, monsters because of their religion, and even as a non-religious person I'm getting pretty fucking sick of it.
hobblygobbly
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There is no need to circumcise a boy other than for medical reasons, none.
The only other reasons are for aesthetics, and that should be left up to the boy himself when he is older.
Here's the thing with foreskin, it doesn't matter for most men when they are fully erect, it is as if you are circumcised.
However for some men, there is still too much skin and because of that they can get it circumcised for aesthetic reasons or better sex which is absolutely fine and up to them.
That's why it should be a choice. Circumcision is completely unnecessary for the most part unless nature gave you a bad roll and it bothers you.
The only other reasons are for aesthetics, and that should be left up to the boy himself when he is older.
Here's the thing with foreskin, it doesn't matter for most men when they are fully erect, it is as if you are circumcised.
However for some men, there is still too much skin and because of that they can get it circumcised for aesthetic reasons or better sex which is absolutely fine and up to them.
That's why it should be a choice. Circumcision is completely unnecessary for the most part unless nature gave you a bad roll and it bothers you.
playingwithfire
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Oh god, the video of the procedure in the slides. I had trouble watching that, I kinda felt the pain myself.
Gravy Boat
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It's literally genital mutilation for no reason other than tradition. I'm not saying anyone who had it done to their kids is a monster, but it's still a pretty messed up thing to consider normal.
Sora the Cat
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Don't forget being held prisoner for 5 years...
Captainbojanglesiii
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I agree, hence why I wouldn't have it done, but labeling people who had it done specifically for religious reasons 20+ years ago is absurd to me, considering what it was thought to do, but hey, that's just me
MickeyPhree
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Majority of women I've been with like circumcised peneers better than uncircumcised ones.
I am happy dad had me cut as a newborn.
I am happy dad had me cut as a newborn.
TenCentCoast
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Cut a part of your child's dick off and eat it with their placenta to gain eternal youth
Sora the Cat
Member
Are you from the USA? Don't know any girl who cares about that, as it is not normal over here to have it circumcised, it's actually strange to find someone with it.
Anyway, pleasing girls shouldn't be a reason at all, sorry but that's just wrong.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Yeah this thread made me ask my girl "What if I had an uncircumcised dick?", and she said "eew gross no thanks"
I don't understand what's so "gross" about it.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
Cut his nipples off as well, he won't need them.
"I prefer other people's dicks" would make for some interesting pillow talk, that's for sure.
Uncircumcised, have been with Europeans and Americans. You look the same with an erection, which meant most Americans did not even notice I was uncut.
This whole "my dick looks better" talk screams of insecurity. Keep your mutilated dicks, miles and pounds, a lot of people will be fine with other norms.
Genitals are honestly pretty ugly. People don't say it because we get horny because of / through genitals, but honestly, they're hardly pretty.
HappehLemons
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I agree that it is, but I can imagine life being difficult. I'm not sure if you live in the states, but at one point we actually had a television reality show about it IIRC, or at least 1 EP of a show about it. It was something about new dad having to make the decision for his kid, and not wanting his kid to go thru what he did (Apparently he was really ridiculed), it was probably made over dramatic for television, but the fact that it exists says something.
You know that the vast vast vast vast majority of humans in the world live in these places you're insulting right? Or are you insinuating that people who get HIV deserve it because they had sex with strangers?
Most men would say that labioplasty vaginas look better so maybe you should start systematically doing that to your girl babies as well. After a few generations the ones who have not done it will be seen as "gross". Obviously that is stupid as shit but it's comparable to circumcision and the whole "gross" fuckery surrounding it in NA. I wish women would think about that before they deem umodified genitals as gross. Makes me frustrated.
Abilidebob
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Insulting? Deserve? What the hell are you talking about?
Pantaghana
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The foreskin has evolved for a reason.
Chopping off a healthy body part because... reasons? It might prevent an easily solved issue down the line?
Yeah, no.
The US is practically alone in it's practice of circumcision for circumcisions' sake, I'm told South Korea also has that practice, but I rarely see it mentioned.
Chopping off a healthy body part because... reasons? It might prevent an easily solved issue down the line?
Yeah, no.
The US is practically alone in it's practice of circumcision for circumcisions' sake, I'm told South Korea also has that practice, but I rarely see it mentioned.
Would you like looking at vaginas if you didn't find them sexually stimulating, though? People don't ask for genital pics to appreciate the visual aesthetic of human genitalia, I think, lol.
But where have these puritanical crazies got the idea to do it so much from? Europe's had its fair share of religious nutcases over the centuries, but I don't think any country here does it even half as much as the US. If Judaism was the prevalent religion I could kind of get it. But it isn't.
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