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[GameAddict411]

As a gay man I think circumcised cock can be disgusting if the guy doesn't take good care of it(proper cleaning). I also feel like the skin is very delicate to the point where I feel like I am going to hurt my sex partner when I do anything too stimulating lol.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It's stupid, and anyone who turns down a good penis just because it is circumsised or uncircumcised is stupid.

 

[Jenov]

What study are you referring to? Last I checked, the CDC does not track circumcision-related deaths because of how exceedingly rare they are, and the study done by Bollinger was badly flawed and not actually substantiated by the data he presented.

To add: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/circumcision-rates-declining-health-risks-rising-study-says/

It's not.

Here's an actual real study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3503386/

They looked at circumcision related problems and deaths in Iran. It was a very tiny amount of deaths (25 over 10 years), and looks like all were related to either improper anesthesia application, allergic reaction/anesthesia sensitivity, or the baby had a secondary illness that contributed. Hundreds of babies are not dying yearly to circumcision...

 

[boiled goose]

Basically this. uncut is so rare in the US, that it would freak out an American woman. Its not normalized here. If you are in Europe and hope to hook up with a Euro woman its no big deal of course.

Maybe you guys are from small rural white towns or something. In big cities American girls don't care at all.

And freak Out? It's almost the same Fucking thing once erect.

http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
Yup. National average is around 50 percent. Hardly "rare". Also whites tend to do it most often. So homogeneous rural small white towners maybe care. Outside that women don't really care in my experience.

 

[kame-sennin]

Myth 1: They just cut off a flap of skin.

Reality check: Not true. The foreskin is half of the penis's skin, not just a flap. In an adult man, the foreskin is 15 square inches of skin. In babies and children, the foreskin is adhered to the head of the penis with the same type of tissue that adheres fingernails to their nail beds. Removing it requires shoving a blunt probe between the foreskin and the head of the penis and then cutting down and around the whole penis. Check out these photos: http://www.drmomma.org/2011/08/intact-or-circumcised-significant.html(nsfw)

Myth 2: It doesn't hurt the baby.

Reality check: Wrong. In 1997, doctors in Canada did a study to see what type of anesthesia was most effective in relieving the pain of circumcision. As with any study, they needed a control group that received no anesthesia. The doctors quickly realized that the babies who were not anesthetized were in so much pain that it would be unethical to continue with the study. Even the best commonly available method of pain relief studied, the dorsal penile nerve block, did not block all the babies' pain. Some of the babies in the study were in such pain that they began choking and one even had a seizure (Lander 1997).

Myth 3: My doctor uses anesthesia.

Reality check: Not necessarily. Most newborns do not receive adequate anesthesia. Only 45% of doctors who do circumcisions use any anesthesia at all. Obstetricians perform 70% of circumcisions and are least likely to use anesthesia - only 25% do. The most common reasons why they don't? They didn't think the procedure warranted it, and it takes too long (Stang 1998). A circumcision with adequate anesthesia takes a half-hour - if they brought your baby back sooner, he was in severe pain during the surgery.

Myth 4: Even if it is painful, the baby won't remember it.

Reality check: The body is a historical repository and remembers everything. The pain of circumcision causes a rewiring of the baby's brain so that he is more sensitive to pain later (Taddio 1997, Anand 2000). Circumcision also can cause post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, anger, low self-esteem and problems with intimacy (Boyle 2002, Hammond 1999, Goldman 1999). Even with a lack of explicit memory and the inability to protest - does that make it right to inflict pain? Ethical guidelines for animal research whenever possible* - do babies deserve any less?

Myth 5: My baby slept right through it.

Reality check: Not possible without total anesthesia, which is not available. Even the dorsal penile nerve block leaves the underside of the penis receptive to pain. Babies go into shock, which though it looks like a quiet state, is actually the body's reaction to profound pain and distress. Nurses often tell the parents "He slept right through it" so as not to upset them. Who would want to hear that his or her baby was screaming in agony?​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...9/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe

Don't put your baby through that.

 

[Abilidebob]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...9/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe

Don't put your baby through that.

B-but the smaller chance of catching HIV while having unprotected sex with strangers while in a place that I may have trouble to wash my genitals with clean water and soap!

 

[miller.skippins]

Do it. It's normal. Uncircumcised penises look gross.

you mean penis in its natural state look gross? Unlike hair or nails, you can't grow it back once you snipped it!

exercise caution.

 

[Nowise10]

The topic of circumcision is so weird. It is incredibly weird and slightly disturbing that we do it...but I am glad I am, I think? The main reason is, is just because I think it looks better. And most girls I've been with preferred it for some reason.

 

[miller.skippins]

B-but the smaller chance of catching HIV while having unprotected sex with strangers while in a place that I may have trouble to wash my genitals with clean water and soap!

don't have unprotected sex with strangers then...

 

[miller.skippins]

Yeh, it's a well known fact that babies have a much higher pain threshold than fully grown adult men. Snip away.



Otherwise people might think that someone else is the dad.

LMAO..time to enrol my baby in the military specOps!

 

[Makki]

The topic of circumcision is so weird. It is incredibly weird and slightly disturbing that we do it...but I am glad I am, I think? The main reason is, is just because I think it looks better. And most girls I've been with preferred it for some reason.

I guess you've been flaunting your shit in a flacid state and said girls loved that the head was still out? The whole girls prefer it excuse is if anything the weird and disturbing part, it would be the equivalent of us men saying all women should have their outer labia trimmed flush or else be gross/unsanitary/unwated which is ridiculous, and it seems to be mostly a USA phenomenon.

 

[JordanN]

I saw a video of circumcision a few years back. The baby was screaming at the top of his lungs as it was being done. What's worse is that the baby has no idea what's going on, having literally just entered this world and is already put in grave pain.

How is this practice not outlawed?

 

[miller.skippins]

If you aren't circumcised in the US, you are in the minority. Global statistics don't mean much, it's about what community you live in.

US continues to be the odd one out, confounding the rest of the world..

circumcision, imperial as standards of measurements, trump as president.........sort yourself out, America!

 

[zoleristec]

It's child abuse.

Should be illegal.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

It's child abuse.

Should be illegal.

I saw a video of circumcision a few years back. The baby was screaming at the top his lungs as it was being done.

How is this practice not outlawed?

Sigh...

 

[farmerboy]

Unlike much of GAF and their monster cocks I need all the cock I got and am glad I was left uncircumcised.

 

[Brakke]

I'm not seeing a lot of posts from evolutionary biologists, naturalists or Darwinists in here, since my degree was in environmental science anything I post will merely be my personal opinion.

Yeah I'm real disappointed at this bog-standard GAF circumcision thread. OP's being real silly and we're just letting that slide.

 

[clearacell]

the beauty of circumcision is that there is a choice...if you allow him to have it. let him grow up to make the choice for himself...since the insecurity only happens at sexual maturity there is plenty of time for him to mull it over.

 

[17 Seconds]

i'm so glad i got this done when i was a kid because

a) i don't have a nasty anteater dick

b) i didn't have to get it done as an adult when i was cognizant of what was happening

 

[ryutaro's mama]

i'm so glad i got this done when i was a kind because

a) i don't have a nasty anteater dick

b) i didn't have to get it done as an adult and i was cognizant of what was happening

No dude, you should be outraged and it should be illegal!!!

 

[17 Seconds]

Maybe you guys are from small rural white towns or something. In big cities American girls don't care at all.

And freak Out? It's almost the same Fucking thing once erect.

http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
Yup. National average is around 50 percent. Hardly "rare". Also whites tend to do it most often. So homogeneous rural small white towners maybe care. Outside that women don't really care in my experience.

that's a huge generalization. it's not uncommon at all for women (or anyone) to find it unattractive.

 

[finalflame]

i'm so glad i got this done when i was a kid because

a) i don't have a nasty anteater dick

b) i didn't have to get it done as an adult when i was cognizant of what was happening

Same. Like, really, this fucking hits my feelings about my circumcised dick right on the head (pun .. mostly not intended).

 

[Zaphrynn]

If I have a son, I don't plan on having him circumcised. I'm American, and I think it's fucked up to do unless there's a medical reason. We're not hearing about a sick dick epidemic from the rest of the (mostly uncut) world.

Also, Jesus, some of you really love insulting other people's dicks. Why do you even give a shit? It's a personal preference; some women (and men, since I guess we like to forget our kids can be gay) even prefer an uncut penis. Some prefer cut. Some of you sound like insecure adults​ needing to boost your dick-ego.

 

[kame-sennin]

Guys, please stop being insecure about your penises. I know that's an unreasonable request, but the insecurity is driving a lot of vitriol.

This hasn't been my experience in North America at least.

Every girl I've been with that I've had this conversation with has said uncut penises look weird. It's all about where you were raised and what you grew up with as a norm, but in NA at least I've found most women indeed do give a shit

I've seen a lot of anecdotal stuff that suggests some women don't even know the difference. At the very least, most seem indifferent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9JCTeJazg

Sigh...

?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If I have a son, I don't plan on having him circumcised. I'm American, and I think it's fucked up to do unless there's a medical reason. We're not hearing about a sick dick epidemic from the rest of the (mostly uncut) world.

Also, Jesus, some of you really love insulting other people's dicks. Why do you even give a shit? It's a personal preference; some women (and men, since I guess we like to forget our kids can be gay) even prefer an uncut penis. Some prefer cut. Some of you sound like insecure adults​ needing to boost your dick-ego.

You mean like saying you think it's fucked up? Dude, if you want to leave your kid uncut, I 100% think you should. Your call.

Stop trying to shame others who don't share your views.

 

[.JayZii]

All I know is that female genital mutilation is barbaric and male genital mutilation is super normal and my dick isn't weird, your dick's weird!

 

[Spenny]

Leave babies junk alone.

 

[Zaphrynn]

You mean like saying you think it's fucked up? Dude, if you want to leave your kid uncut, I 100% think you should. Your call.

Stop trying to shame others who don't share your views.

Yes, I think it's fucked up to cut a piece of your son's penis off for vague reasons. Totally comparable to saying uncut men have anteater dicks and that women find them disgusting and reprehensible.

If a person has a cut penis and it's working out for them and they enjoy it, good for them. But I'm going to think it's messed up to cut a piece of your baby's body off based on "what ifs".

Saying an action is messed up and saying a person's bodypart they have little control over is disgusting is not comparable, and you know it.

 

[kame-sennin]

You mean like saying you think it's fucked up? Dude, if you want to leave your kid uncut, I 100% think you should. Your call.

Stop trying to shame others who don't share your views.

I get what you're saying about the shame thing, but it's not just a viewpoint. It's a super painful operation conducted with limited anesthesia on an infant who can't consent. How do you expect people not to be upset by that.

 

[TickleMeElbow]

You mean like saying you think it's fucked up? Dude, if you want to leave your kid uncut, I 100% think you should. Your call.

Stop trying to shame others who don't share your views.

I don't see people saying cut dicks are gross.

People are saying the act of cutting off a piece of a baby's dick is fucked up.

No one is shaming dicks except those who say regular-ass uncut dicks are nasty.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I get what you're saying about the shame thing, but it's not just a viewpoint. It's a super painful operation conducted with limited anesthesia on an infant who can't consent. How do you expect people not to be upset by that.

Because by saying that it's fucked up, you are effectively telling every person who has had one

1) the religious beliefs for doing it is bullshit

And/or

2) their parents are monsters for doing it to them

Like I said, do what you want with your kids but GTFOOH with that shame bullshit.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

There are a lot of positives to getting circumcised. And as an uncircumcised man, I can attest to having at least a couple of the issues growing up. Namely UTI's as a teen (that I would pass on to my partners), (even tho I showered everyday and washed my dick) uncomfortably tight foreskin, uncomfortable sex and even painful sex or burning along with trouble reaching climax and awkwardness with oral sex. Luckily I never had any STD's but maybe that's cuz I was having less sex than I could have been without foreskin issues. It's not much of a struggle now that I'm more informed, but my pre-teen and teen years would have been a hell of a lot easier, I feel in retrospect.

Clinical research has found circumcision can safeguard an infant from a number of health complications, most notably urinary tract infections. Kidney damage develops in about half of infants who contract a UTI. The adult lifetime risk for a UTI is approximately 1 in 3 for uncircumcised men.

Additionally, circumcision has been found to lowers one's risk for contracting HIV and HPV, the human papilloma virus, which can cause genital warts and has been linked to some cancers.

Another study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association reviewed more than 500 studies, finding that circumcision reduces risk for HIV transmission in heterosexual men by 60 percent, genital herpes by 30 percent, and cancer-causing strains of HPV by 35 percent.

Some research suggests that circumcision in infancy actually lowers the risk for prostate cancer in adulthood. A study of 3,400 men found those who were circumcised before their first sexual intercourse were 15 percent less likely to develop prostate cancer than men who were not.

Opponents of circumcision say removing the foreskin decreases sensitivity and limits sensation during sexual activity. Others say circumcision is a human rights issue, and that it's unethical for a family to make the decision for their child.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/circumcision-rates-declining-health-risks-rising-study-says/

 

[TheWasTheJoke]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...9/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe

Don't put your baby through that.

So a bit of short term pain is the worst harm there is, don't tell me that's awful. The PTSD shit is just over the top, just because it happened once every 20 million times doesn't make it an issue.

This thread is ridiculous, people get so, so deranged about Circumcision and act as if its the peak of child abuse and irrational religious overreach. Get a grip.

 

[SMattera]

Because by saying that it's fucked up, you are effectively telling every person who has had one

1) the religious beliefs for doing it is bullshit

And/or

2) their parents are monsters for doing it to them

Like I said, do what you want with your kids but GTFOOH with that shame bullshit.

But it is fucked up.

You're mutilating a baby's penis for no valid reason.

How do you feel about female genital mutilation?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

But it is fucked up.

You're mutilating a baby's penis for no valid reason.

My parents did so for religious reasons.

Are you saying my parents are fucked up?

 

[akira28]

My baby is a man. He can take it.

 

[Adam_Roman]

I was circumsized, and if I have a son I won't do it to him. When he gets older he can decide if he wants, but I don't like the idea of having it done at birth. I would've liked to have the choice.

 

[TheWasTheJoke]

But it is fucked up.

You're mutilating a baby's penis for no valid reason.

How do you feel about female genital mutilation?

Comparing FGM to Circumcision is so unequivocally disingenuous. It's not 'mutilating" if for all practical intents and purposes it has no effect.

FGM on the other hand is a deeply sickening act which intentionally destroys a women ability to enjoy intercourse.

 

[Staccat0]

My mom had me circumcised because I'm HS she didn't give a dude a blowjob due to his weird looking dick. She never wanted that to happen to me.

I appreciate her looking out for me (word family I know) but if I ever have a boy I would just leave it alone. I feel like we're past the point of girls being confused what dicks look like.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

My parents did so for religious reasons.

Are you saying my parents are fucked up?

Yes. I'd understand it if it were for legit medical reasons, like a poster mentioned above there's some health benefits but because an old book told them to for a kid that might not even end up religious is effed up.

I already feel baptizing babies is weird tho, so that's just me.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Humans are so vulnerable to hegemonic bullshit that it is laughable at this point. "I want my penis snipped so it looks normal." Literally WTF. Normal is uncircumcised. Circumcised is not normal by any means when considering the totality of human history and the natural anatomical male state.

By the way, I was circumcised at birth due to religious parents. But my son is not because of my aforementioned rationale (I am a de facto atheist and ignostic at this point in my life).

 

[SMattera]

My parents did so for religious reasons.

Are you saying my parents are fucked up?

Female genital mutilation is often justified on religious grounds.
(http://data.unicef.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/FGMC_Lo_res_Final_26.pdf)

How do you feel about that?

I believe individual rights trump religious rights. If you want to get circumcised for religious reasons then that's your prerogative. But I don't believe people should be able to mutilate the healthy organs of their infant sons.

 

[Asmodai48]

Do it. It's normal. Uncircumcised penises look gross.

Cutting yourself is normal, ok lol.

 

[xelios]

My parents did so for religious reasons.

Are you saying my parents are fucked up?

Religion shouldn't be a free pass to mutilate a child's genitals and I think doing so based on religion in the year 2017 is pretty twisted. Religious freedom should end where it starts encroaching on the rights of others, which includes a human's right to decide whether or not to have an unnecessary medical procedure done to remove part of their genitals where there is also a risk of infection and even death from complications.

We are not talking about a medically necessary or life-saving procedure here, but people putting their child's life at risk so that his penis will look like theirs or simply because it's tradition. If feels really surreal to me that so many people seem unable to stop and look at this objectively and realize how fucked up chopping off parts of children's genitals at birth "just because" actually is.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yes.

OK.

I need to stop posting in this thread now. I just had someone blatantly disrespect my parents (whom they don't know) to prove some point.

If I stick around, I will post some shit that will get me perm'd.

 

[Staccat0]

I've never heard of anyone wanting to reverse it, ever.

I would. Not a big deal, but if it feels better, gives me a minor girth boost and makes masturbation easier?

I'd reverse that shit if there was a magic wand for it.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

OK.

I need to stop posting in this thread now. I just had someone blatantly disrespect my parents (whom they don't know) to prove some point.

If I stick around, I will post some shit that will get me perm'd.

I mean I've had my dick compare to an anteater and you don't see me freaking out about it.

 

[SMattera]

Comparing FGM to Circumcision is so unequivocally disingenuous. It's not 'mutilating" if for all practical intents and purposes it has no effect.

FGM on the other hand is a deeply sickening act which intentionally destroys a women ability to enjoy intercourse.

Look up the dictionary definition of mutilation. It is absolutely mutilation. You are forever removing part of a healthy organ.

 

[psaman17]

My parents did so for religious reasons.

Are you saying my parents are fucked up?

Yes because they believed in a fairytale they decided to cut an infants dick. Thats fucked up. Its abuse.


For the love of christ leave the penis alone.

 

[Lebon14]

Me and my brother got health trouble for not having been circumcized early on. Especially my brother. So, imo, save him the trouble for his later life.