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Vikings - Season 4, Part 2 - Wednesdays on History
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RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Wow.
They're really gonna do it.
Ragnar is going to die next week.
They have a strong supporting cast of old (Lagertha, Bjorn, Floki, Rollo, Eckbert) and new (Astrid, Ubba, Sigurd, and Ivar especially) characters, but it's still an extremely ballsy move to kill the main character of a show with at least 25 episodes left (5 more this season after next week and then 20 next season). Godspeed, Michael Hirst!
They're really gonna do it.
Ragnar is going to die next week.
They have a strong supporting cast of old (Lagertha, Bjorn, Floki, Rollo, Eckbert) and new (Astrid, Ubba, Sigurd, and Ivar especially) characters, but it's still an extremely ballsy move to kill the main character of a show with at least 25 episodes left (5 more this season after next week and then 20 next season). Godspeed, Michael Hirst!
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
She was killed earlier this season.
Holy crap that last episode was amazing, Linus Roache and Fimmel once again showing how far beyond they are from every other actor the show has ever had.
However, Lagertha's arc is an absolute joke. She suddenly hates men, thinks Aslaug "bewitched" Ragnar, and is angry enough at her to murder her in cold blood. None of it makes sense and Winnick doesn't seem to even give a shit about trying to sell it in her performance, just giving the same expression to every single thing that happens. Lame writing, lame acting. I honestly think she was better in Season 1, showed more emotion and range.
So they're planning on continuing for another season after this? I can see it easily wrapping up in a satisfactory way by the end of this season with the sons returning to kill Aelle.
However, Lagertha's arc is an absolute joke. She suddenly hates men, thinks Aslaug "bewitched" Ragnar, and is angry enough at her to murder her in cold blood. None of it makes sense and Winnick doesn't seem to even give a shit about trying to sell it in her performance, just giving the same expression to every single thing that happens. Lame writing, lame acting. I honestly think she was better in Season 1, showed more emotion and range.
So they're planning on continuing for another season after this? I can see it easily wrapping up in a satisfactory way by the end of this season with the sons returning to kill Aelle.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Is he getting the snake pit?
And this show ha ridiculous time jumps.
And this show ha ridiculous time jumps.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Preview seemed to hint it.
Great episode I thought, Ragnar and Ecbert always had good chemistry, loved the chat towards the end of the episode.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yep! Jonathan Rhys Meyers is going to be in it too!
All of their scenes in the last episode were great.
I realy think they didnt know what to do with her at this point so they are forcing her to be stupid and unlikable and my guess is that Ivar and Ubbe team up to kill her
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Agreed. Her motivations make zero sense. If she wanted to "take back" her town, why would she wait so many years to do that? Why is she suddenly so angry at Aslaug when she was clearly over the whole thing in the past seasons?
They really had no idea how to write her this season huh.
I have to say, i love this show.
True, the last kingdom is more nuanced, but vikings has something that makes it superior in my eyes by a wide margin: the characters.
They are much better realized through their casting and and the actors portray them with infinitely more charm and charisma, which in turn makes them more interesting to watch.
True, the last kingdom is more nuanced, but vikings has something that makes it superior in my eyes by a wide margin: the characters.
They are much better realized through their casting and and the actors portray them with infinitely more charm and charisma, which in turn makes them more interesting to watch.
Vikings is maddeningly lopsided with characters. Some of them are amazingly done like Ragnar and Ecbert, some are terribly done like Lagertha this season and Aslaug for most of the show's run. Bjorn is just boring, Rollo ranges from really irritating to really entertaining.
TLK is pretty consistent across the board and shines in it's tension, plot momentum, and atmosphere. Nobody makes as big an impression as Fimmel does as Ragnar but Uhtred and Alfred have some great moments.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Frollo is probably the worst offender. He goes from wacky genius misfit to zealot murderer who hates Ragnar in three seasons. Why? Because his bestie is busy trying to learn about other cultures.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
I couldn't stand The Last Kingdom's dialog for example the reliance on saying "hump" was funny at first but then it just got corny. Uthur isn't all that likeable either and there's a serious lack of charisma on the show.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
You mean Floki?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes.
That is who I meant.
That is who I meant.
PadWarrior
Member
Wow gets Ragnar will be killed tomorrow? Gonna miss him. If I removed right doesn't Ivar become almost as famous as Ragnar?
Ninja Beagle
Member
I wont even mind if he dies. He's been a whiny, doped up, battle losing failure for two straight seasons it feels.
I'm ready for Ivar to rule and dominate.
I'm ready for Ivar to rule and dominate.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Yep, Ivar the Boneless, he becomes a king in Ireland.
As the seer says, "You will have sons more famous than you"
PadWarrior
Member
Nice gonna miss Ragnar but interested in seeing ivar and the other sons come to power.
PadWarrior
Member
Is Magnus really not the son of Ragnar? And why was he sent out?
Seems like he is either not his son or Ragnar was protecting him by denying his lineage
PadWarrior
Member
Ah that would make sense.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Yearh, if IIRC there actually isn't a lot of historic record for Ragnar. I believe all we know is a man named Ragnar led the raid on Lindisfarne, and then 5 brothers who were sons of Ragnar led the Great Heathen Army against England.(A lot of which we know was recorded by Alfred the Great and his priests).
PadWarrior
Member
Yea I was just reading about that fascinating stuff. Wish I had a time machine to observe all of this.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
New episode tonight!
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
BTW, I just learned that Helga (Floki's wife) and Torvi (Bjorn's wife) are the daughters of the show's creator Michael Hirst!
PadWarrior
Member
Nice didn't know that myself either. That pretty cool.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Well that explains why they look alike and I was getting confused between them.
Ninja Beagle
Member
Ragnar die?
PadWarrior
Member
Yea it was gonna play splatoon to cheer up.
weepingangelz
Banned
Ivar the Boneless is being positioned to take a big role in the coming episodes! I approve. After all these physically macho viking men it'll be interesting to see how an intellectual cripple navigates power struggles
It's interesting that we're now moving from mytho-history to more firmly -established history now.
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Haha Alfred vs. Ivar in a game of chess. Clever.
PadWarrior
Member
Who was the dude with the missing eye?
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Did I miss a flashback with Ragnar's daughter or do we go on pretending he never had one like Bjorn later did with his?
finowns
Member
I didn't think they would do it. F this show. And the sudden Ragnar/Ecbert romance was nonsense, dude barely likes his own son. And I roll my eyes at the modernity and lala-bullshit that is season 4.
I think the flashback with him sitting on the shore with sand in his hands was about his daughter, iirc.
I think the flashback with him sitting on the shore with sand in his hands was about his daughter, iirc.
It doesn't make much sense to continue the show after this. Fimmel carried the entire thing, it's just going to be a disjointed shadow of what it was going forward. The audience doesn't really have an emotional investment in anyone left besides Lagertha and they've already fucked her character up pretty badly this season.
The Silver
Member
I'm already invested in Ivar, definitely not jumping ship. Ragnar was a dead man walking for a while now, I feel like Im already used to him not being around.
Bjorn sucks, Rollo's plot has nowhere to go, and Floki was only interesting IMO in how he interacted with Ragnar.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Excellent episode, and a fitting send off to Ragnar. Fimmel will be missed.
I was wondering about that too.
Sudden? The Ragnar/Ecbert bronemy dynamic has always been there.
It was. Ragnar also had a vision earlier this season where he saw his daughter, young Bjorn, Athelstan, and Lagertha standing on a beach.
I mean, you might not have an attachment to anyone other than Lagertha, but that doesn't mean other people don't.
I was wondering about that too.
Sudden? The Ragnar/Ecbert bronemy dynamic has always been there.
It was. Ragnar also had a vision earlier this season where he saw his daughter, young Bjorn, Athelstan, and Lagertha standing on a beach.
I mean, you might not have an attachment to anyone other than Lagertha, but that doesn't mean other people don't.
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