Coriolanus
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I feel you might be mixing country-wide numbers with SP numbers.
Also Assange is the wikileaks guy. Greenwald is the nsa guy.
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Brazil is in the Middle of a f***** Outrage right now
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I feel you might be mixing country-wide numbers with SP numbers.
Also Assange is the wikileaks guy. Greenwald is the nsa guy.
Police estimatives for SP is 80k people, and it's the largest concentration of people.
And you're right, dumb mistake.
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Av. Paulista today: peak - 80k from the police, 90-95k datafolha, 300k from the ones that organized it.
Aaaand he's out: Gilmar Mendes (STF) just accepted an injunction against Lula, he's not a minister anymore.
Aaaand he's out: Gilmar Mendes (STF) just accepted an injunction against Lula, he's not a minister anymore.
Coriolanus
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To be fair, if datafolha sez 80k it was at least 200k ;D
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Of course, I know, I even joked about that in the other thread (and someone fell for it). If 80k is around 200k, then imagine what 500k (sunday) was.
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/...a-investigacao-com-moro.shtml?cmpid=facefolha
Lula is no longer a Minister as per the STF, and the investigation on him is back.
Lula is no longer a Minister as per the STF, and the investigation on him is back.
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The General Attorney's Office President, Rodrigo Janot, declared he finds all the records between Lula and Dilma legal. No constitutional harm was estabilished since Lula was the one wiretaped and not the president, so it can be considered a "fortuitous finding".
He also struck a deal with a Swiss Minister to have access to the documents of many politicians accounts created there to hide/laundry money. Can't see them running away now.
http://www.msn.com/pt-br/noticias/v...isão/vi-BBqDcEd?li=AAggXC1&ocid=mailsignoutmd
He also struck a deal with a Swiss Minister to have access to the documents of many politicians accounts created there to hide/laundry money. Can't see them running away now.
http://www.msn.com/pt-br/noticias/v...isão/vi-BBqDcEd?li=AAggXC1&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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This could be good, if shit hits every corrupt politician being investigated.
Ganzlinger
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Gilmar Mendes almost never disappoints
Coriolanus
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This is actually a good example of why one should read complete pieces.
Not quite.
And, afaik, he is silent on the issue of giving publicity to the wiretap. He is correct that if the conversation had occurred while the taping was still authorized, it would've been legal. That, however, would only mean that Moro would then have to (eventually) submit that section to those above him. Same way it happened with Demostenes Torres.
He, however, did something entirely different.
Not quite.
And, afaik, he is silent on the issue of giving publicity to the wiretap. He is correct that if the conversation had occurred while the taping was still authorized, it would've been legal. That, however, would only mean that Moro would then have to (eventually) submit that section to those above him. Same way it happened with Demostenes Torres.
He, however, did something entirely different.
That Swiss bank part sounds promising. But what is it with corrupt politicians and Swiss banks? Does Switzerland provide them with special protections that other countries don't offer? If so, what are the chances of them actually disclosing the accounts of the thieves here?
Lula decisions are appearing in so fast that they already tapped into the speedforce.
Meanwhile, Aécio, Temer and Cunha are waiting for months .... if they arrested those 3 I would gladly support every impeachment ever ...because if any of these became the president before that Lava Jato is dead
Meanwhile, Aécio, Temer and Cunha are waiting for months .... if they arrested those 3 I would gladly support every impeachment ever ...because if any of these became the president before that Lava Jato is dead
Fiction.
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Yeah, we need to pursue these guys too. The manifestations are focused on Dilma and Lula right now because they are in power and deliberately tried to fraud the judicial system, but it doesn't mean it will end there.
Coriolanus
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Swiss banks are included in what we call "paraísos fiscais" (Tax heaven). They're banks with very low taxation.
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The investigation is back under judge Moro and (assuming it stays that way), since he leaked the tappings to the press, now Lula and those closest to him will take precautions (assuming they have things to hide) and said investigation goes to shit.
Well done to everyone involved.
I would love to be wrong, but I am almost betting money that if Dilma falls we will never hear from Lava Jato again and those 3 will be perfectly safe
Dec 15 is when the federal police searched Cunha's house. March 4 for Lula.
Have patience, my friend, they'll all do their time. In the mean time you don't have to defend any criminals.
Youta Mottenai
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Guess that there is more than enough evidence of Lula and co. trying to tamper with the justice system, so a preventive arrest is on the way?
I'll take that as a friendly bet -- what's your console/PC platform of choice?
$50 in store credit on the store of your choice if an impeachment, election annulment, or resignation happens and Lava Jato disappears within six months with no arrests for politicans from parties other than PT. Let's give this a deadline of, say, end of 2017 so we don't all grow old before the bet is settled
No need for quid pro quo, this is on me in case the opposite happens and I'd just be happy to be right
Should be noted that there was no bloodbath today ! YAAAAAY !
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Also, it is HILARIOUS how the biggest open tv channel barely showed the anti-impeachment protests .... while almost every channel showed in full =P
Are you saying Cunha will be arrested 4 months before Lula ?
Because that would be awesome
Almost ... lets wait if the actual impeachment happens =P
Also ... 50 dollars ?
How about a steam game till 50 reais ? =P
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Also, it is HILARIOUS how the biggest open tv channel barely showed the anti-impeachment protests .... while almost every channel showed in full =P
Are you saying Cunha will be arrested 4 months before Lula ?
Because that would be awesome
I'll take that as a friendly bet -- what's your console/PC platform of choice?
$50 in store credit on the store of your choice if an impeachment, election annulment, or resignation happens and Lava Jato disappears within six months with no arrests for politicans from parties other than PT. Let's give this a deadline of, say, end of 2017 so we don't all grow old before the bet is settled
No need for quid pro quo, this is on me in case the opposite happens and I'd just be happy to be right
Almost ... lets wait if the actual impeachment happens =P
Also ... 50 dollars ?
How about a steam game till 50 reais ? =P
Ok so, heres Gilmar Mendes decision:
http://www.stf.jus.br/arquivo/cms/noticiaNoticiaStf/anexo/ms34070.pdf
Its worth a read to get a good legal understanding of the whole thing, but one interesting part is that he was able to allow the wiretap evidence as legal because Dilma admited to the call.
When the presidency rushed to give their spin on the situation, saying it was only a copy they were sending to lula, they were admiting that the call was legit.
if the call is legit, the minister can allow it as evidence, and that is what made him decide against lula.
Pretty ironic uh?
http://www.stf.jus.br/arquivo/cms/noticiaNoticiaStf/anexo/ms34070.pdf
Its worth a read to get a good legal understanding of the whole thing, but one interesting part is that he was able to allow the wiretap evidence as legal because Dilma admited to the call.
When the presidency rushed to give their spin on the situation, saying it was only a copy they were sending to lula, they were admiting that the call was legit.
if the call is legit, the minister can allow it as evidence, and that is what made him decide against lula.
Pretty ironic uh?
50 dollars, on me, no need for any payment whatsoever from your side in case I win! All I'll do is bring it up again on the BrazilGAF thread
This is my way of punishing myself for being stupid in case I'm wrong, and for you feeling better despite how hopeless our country will be in case you are right!
KeyChainDude
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH THIS IS FANTASTIC!!
50 dollars, on me, no need for any payment whatsoever from your side in case I win! All I'll do is bring it up again on the BrazilGAF thread
This is my way of punishing myself for being stupid in case I'm wrong, and for you feeling better despite how hopeless our country will be in case you are right!
Is this a pegadinha do malandro ? xD
But lets wait to seal the deal for the crazy chance the impossible happens and any of those 3 actualy ends up in jail before any impeachment happens =P
hahaha, I just genuinely like gifting games to friends as bets. So why not do it on GAF to lower tensions a little bit? Don't read too much into it, but yeah let's see how it goes, I'll be around on GAF
Anyways, back to the main event!
So Moro is legally in the right? And the phone call evidence is admissible in court?
You mean Globo? They showed the protests on every single commercial break all day since they started (I know this for a fact - I worked from my parent's home today and they watch Globo from Caminho das Indias all the way to JN). Yes, they are pro-impeachment, but they are not as unbiased as you're claiming here.
Well, no, because he's a congressman. But the idea that the police is going after Lula and leaving everyone else alone is provenly false.
And I'll say it again, you don't have to defend a criminal just because there are other criminals we hate more. They'll end up in jail, just like the Mensalão people.
If he was legally in the right or not, thats something to be judged in the future. The phonecall can be used since it was accepted as legit by the presidency.
IMO, he was not legally in the right for keeping evidence done after he ordered the wiretap to cease. The other calls are legal.
This is the hero-complex that I frequently hate Brazil for.
Tomasoares
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Moro didn't leak anything lol There was no leak at all.
Again, Moro just released the wiretapping recordings to the public. The wiretappings were authorized by the Justice previously, and releasing them to public was entirely on Moro's permission.
Since the wiretapping was on Lula, not on Dilma, they were legal and didn't need to be sent to the supreme court.
Again, Moro just released the wiretapping recordings to the public. The wiretappings were authorized by the Justice previously, and releasing them to public was entirely on Moro's permission.
Since the wiretapping was on Lula, not on Dilma, they were legal and didn't need to be sent to the supreme court.
It was a crime by her, and one that actually could lead to a legit and real impeachment, unlike the "pedaladas".
From a journalist on twitter:
Free translation: "Silver bullet that could killSquidLula: recording where he mentions a guy capable of anything that could be used to 'fix' Moro."
Kinda hope it's bullshit, this is too much.
I think he's speculating that this might exist. Surely we would know already if this was public.
Seems irresponsible to do so in this climate.
Ganzlinger
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LMAO
Raijin_Cain
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Saw this in another forum and Im crying. Absolutely perfect!!!
From a journalist on twitter:
Free translation: "Silver bullet that could killSquidLula: recording where he mentions a guy capable of anything that could be used to 'fix' Moro."
Kinda hope it's bullshit, this is too much.
Coming from Noblat I would bet it is bullshit. Dude works for The Globo (shit newspaper) but looks like some of the worst types that works for Veja (shittiest magazine)
Coriolanus
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This is one of those things that makes me salty.
Not the whole thing with Mendes, that was expected, but shit like this:
Really? Art. 214 of the CIVIL CODE?
Gee, i wonder why he used that one... why not go with the... criminal process code, since it all revolves around, y'know a criminal investigation?
Oh.
Not the whole thing with Mendes, that was expected, but shit like this:
Really? Art. 214 of the CIVIL CODE?
Gee, i wonder why he used that one... why not go with the... criminal process code, since it all revolves around, y'know a criminal investigation?
Oh.
Tomasoares
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Saw this in another forum and Im crying. Absolutely perfect!!!
I don't understand it.
I don't understand it.
Today only, Lula was a minister and then not a total of four times.
The current standing is that he is not, but there is one last instance to be decided on. Basically the challenges to his position were making their way up the courts system all day today, with him being instated, deposed, and reinstated constantly.
Wow. That is funny.
Youta Mottenai
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From page 33, if I got it correctly, not only their plan failed miserably, but it was unlawful at best, criminal at worst.
Coriolanus
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The real nuke in page 33 is this
Which is a not-so-contrived way to state "keep suing them".
Pardon me if Im wrong here, but couldnt it be argued that hes talking about the presidency confession itself, which would be a proof of "desvio de finalidade", which is not a crime?
I mean, if the confession is about an act that is not a crime, then the criminal code shouldnt apply, right? Hes not judging the criminal Lula case after all
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