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[KeyChainDude]

Shit is going down in our country right now. The political tension is as high as it's ever been, HOLY CRAP GUYS! Here's some context:

Brazil has an ex-President known as Lula. He was the last one in charge before the actual president, Dilma, stepped in. The problem is, he's the most corrupt fucker to ever step into presidency, and has been involved with dozens of cases about bribe, embezzlement, money laundry and the such. We've been waiting to see the bastard in jail for nearly 10 years now, since the first reports of his activities started emerging, but there was no conclusive evidence to arrest him. Until now.

Recent investigations about money laundry at Petrobras finally led to some definitive evidence of some frauds organized by Lula, enough to get him an arrest warrant. But there is a problem. Our president, Dilma, is a close friend of his, and today, OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE, she nominated Lula to become Brazil's Chief-of-Staff.

With this, he now has the right to a priviledged judgement by a commitee of ministers. Ministers, of course, that he himself nominated when he was president! It's a fucking joke, a fraud of the judiciary system in the face of the whole population without a bare minimum of shame. Now the judge in charge, that lost jurisdiction to proceed the case, wouldn't stand seeing Lula getting away unscathered and said "fuck it", leaking all the recorded tapes from Lula with Dilma and other important politicians to the public. He arguably threw the constitution out of the window to cause social outrage, and you bet it goddamn worked.

This is Palacio da Alvorada, or "Palace of Dawn" in free translation. It's where all political activity happens and all the politicians stay. THOUSANDS of the population are right in front of it right now, screaming "IMPEACHMENT" and "LULA ARRESTED NOW!". This people are just too tired of seeing these motherfuckers stealing our money and getting away with it everytime. It's truly a Revolution, the indignation echoes across all major cities in the country through protests and parades.

I just think the rest of the world should know what we are feeling, GAF. I know it's a long ass post, but please, take your time to read it and give us your support! I tried to avoid explaining the situation in a biased way, although with all the frustration we're going through right now this may prove difficult, so please try to inform yourselves with other (trustful) sources too.

Edit: Some additional info -

He did not, it was still in his powers to do so, he did it hours before it would be off his jurisdiction.

Yes, that's why I put it as "arguably". I didn't put it in the OP, but for those interested, Lula was supposed to take over his new position only on the next week. However, given all the evidence against him, they hurried up the process and nominated him TODAY, and now are accusing the judge of leaking evidence out of his jurisdiction, even if he supposedly was in charge until the nomination ceremony. It's truly a clusterfuck.

Here are some excerpts of the recorded conversations released yesterday, translated by me:

Dilma: Yeah, that's it.

Lula: We have a completely coward Supreme Court, we have a completely coward Superior Court of Justice, we have a completely coward [political] party, even in recent times when PT and PC do B* have awaken and started to fight. We have a fucked up president in the Assembly, we have a fucked up president in the Senate, a bunch of parlamientary are threatned... You know, and everybody is just sitting there thinking that some miracle will happen and everybody will escape unscathered!

Dilma: Yeah...

Lula: I sincerely- What I'm sincerely scared with is the Republic of Curitiba.**

* Those are political parties in Brazil that historically have fought in favor of better working conditions. Lula's affilliated to PT.

** Curitiba is the city where investigations by federal judge Sergio Moro are being conducted.

Dilma: Hello.

Lula: Hello.

D: Lula, let me tell you something.

L: Say it, my dear.

D: Here's the deal, I'm sending you Bessias along with the paper, just so we have it. But only used it in case you really need it. It's the nomination term.

L: Yeah, alright.

D: That's all, just wait there, he will arrive there in a bit.

L: Alright, I'll be here waiting. Alright.

D: Alright? Bye.

L: Bye, my dear.

From this conversation, we believe Lula was only nominated to escape the Judicial Court. The government refuse these claims.

These and a lot more, including Lula's conversations with the previous Chief-in-Staff before his nomination, can be heard in their original form on this link: http://m.folha.uol.com.br/poder/201...onversas-de-lula-reveladas-na-lava-jato.shtml

Some impressive pics of parades in São Paulo

EDIT 2 -

Yeah, as some fellow gaffers just stated, Lula's nomination term as Chief-in-Staff has just been suspended by a federal judge. He can still appeal the decision, but for now the fight continues, it's a fucking war between the Judicial, Legislative and Executive powers.

EDIT 3 - And here we go!

Well, as of a few minutes ago Congress has opened the impeachment comission.

From what I have heard there are more members that want the impeachment than those against it.

Now starts the long work of the comission. There is time for president's defense, gathering of evidence, time for a report to be made. Several days (weeks probably).

After all of that then the House of Representatives votes.

If it passes it goes to the Senate and that has its own process.

Long road ahead but today was a good first step.

EDIT 4 - NOT ON OUR WATCH!

The Supreme Court judged Lula's nomination invalid. This time, the government will have a way harder time appealing, this decision is final until the discussion is taken to the Plenary.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/...a-investigacao-com-moro.shtml?cmpid=facefolha


Lula is no longer a Minister as per the STF, and the investigation on him is back.

Also, some great news about the recorded conversations we've been discussing:

The General Attorney's Office President, Rodrigo Janot, declared he finds all the records between Lula and Dilma legal. No constitutional harm was estabilished since Lula was the one wiretaped and not the president, so it can be considered a "fortuitous finding".

He also struck a deal with a Swiss Minister to have access to the documents of many politicians accounts created there to hide/laundry money. Can't see them running away now.

http://www.msn.com/pt-br/noticias/v...isão/vi-BBqDcEd?li=AAggXC1&ocid=mailsignoutmd

 

[Leopold]

Nothing is going to happen.

 

[xxracerxx]

Been going on for a few days, no?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1196911

 

[KeyChainDude]

Been going on for a few days, no?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1196911

Yes, months actually. The fight for the impeachment persists, but I made this thread specifically to comment about the nomination of Lula as Chief-in-Staff that happened today to avoid a judicial process against him. This was the final droplet to create a true shitstorm. Much more is at stake than just Dilma's position as president, but the whole justice system of the country is in check now.

 

[Krejlooc]

Is there any way to legally impeach the current president?

 

[Premium Quality]

Hope these protests lead to their arrest. If my memory is correct, seems like the military is along side the protesters. Right?
I don't want any bloodshed happening.

 

[xenist]

You guys should be outraged. It's your democratic duty.

 

[Nickle]

You have to be really stupid to elect an incredibly corrupt official in the middle of a nation wide protest against corrupt officials. I hope this only increases the amount of protests.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Kudos to that Judge, being caught between his morals and the written law he made the right choice

 

[KeyChainDude]

Is there any way to legally impeach the current president?

Yes, the process against Dilma is already happening and should be catalysed by all the manifestations. But the nomination of Lula as Chief-in-Staff could lead to some terrible stuff happening, it's basically the last ace the actual government has to try to stay in place, but in the worst way possible.

Kudos to that Judge, being caught between his morals and the written law he made the right choice

I agree with you. But he will probably suffer legally from his choice. I believe he is aware of that and just made the sacrifice hoping things will change.

 

[Cerium]

What are the odds that the Democracy collapses?

 

[SalvaPot]

Man, sounds like its a drop away to an armed conflict, hopefully its not that way and this corrupt jerks pay for their crimes.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

How many weeks till the olympics? It'd be good to see if the world media picks up on this.

 

[xenist]

What are the odds that the Democracy collapses?

The Democracy won't collapse. The government may.

 

[Eila]

Maybe it's time to the president to resign. Hope things don't take a violent turn over there.

 

[exmachina64]

My thoughts are with Brazil, especially if this leads to your people overthrowing their current government.

 

[norinrad]

A developing country full of corrupt officials? What's new?

Some of you guys often make it sound like it's the end of the world when every country goes through these stages before a lasting democracy is built.

 

[Sohter.Nura]

Ay caramba. The Brazilian government has been overthrown so many times, I'm really worried this might be the collapse of the governmental system / democracy in Brazil again.

 

[KeyChainDude]

You guys should be outraged. It's your democratic duty.

It sure is. The problem is, the schematic elaborated by these corrupted politicians is a goddamn loophole. There's no easy way to take them out because they are hiding behind holes in the constitution so carefully that even if it's utterly obvious how corrupt they are, we still can't do much. But we're trying.

What are the odds that the Democracy collapses?

It's hard to say, but I don't think this will happen, or at least it's very unlikely. But of course, amidst all the despair, there is always some fanatic crazy people asking for "military intervention" and "the return of monarchy" lol

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

The Democracy won't collapse. The government may.

Yeah, only to then be replaced afterwards by people who are possibly even MORE corrupt. It's the way things usually go...

 

[Armadilo]

Viva la Revolution! Don't Stop, Can't Stop!

 

[KeyChainDude]

Some impressive pics of parades in São Paulo

 

[PsychBat!]

Some impressive pics of parades in São Paulo

bubberducky?

 

[FlyinJ]

I really hope those people got a permit to protest.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Some impressive pics of parades in São Paulo

Holy shit.

 

[eyeball_kid]

My jaw dropped this morning when I read the news about Lula. How transparent can the President Dilma be? Good luck Brasil, you deserve better.

Kind of interesting timing with the Olympics coming to Rio de Janeiro this summer.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Now this is a revolution

 

[xenist]

My jaw dropped this morning when I read the news about Lula. How transparent can the President Dilma be? Good luck Brasil, you deserve better.

Kind of interesting timing with the Olympics coming to Rio de Janeiro this summer.

Not interesting. Expected. All the money being spent for the Olympics are like crack for scumbags. If this was happening after the Olympics and they had their piece of the pie already I could see the government being much more cooperative.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

oh shit. i hope for their sake the both of them are packing.

 

[Leopold]

It is not a revolution. People are not happy but they won`t go ahead to actively change the government.

 

[Darkly Tranquil]

I'm not very up to date on the current situation in Brazil, but is a military coup a possibility at this point?

 

[CaviarMeths]

A developing country full of corrupt officials? What's new?

Some of you guys often make it sound like it's the end of the world when every country goes through these stages before a lasting democracy is built.

Yeah. Just a massive chain of protests that could result in death. Political corruption and upheaval in developing nations is no big deal.

 

[Social]

It is not a revolution. People are not happy but they won`t go ahead to actively change the government.

I'm not so sure about that. If people keep going and make the country come to a standstill, things could still happen. It's now or never to get rid of Dilma/PT.

 

[Any Questions]

Amazing summary OP. Was really interesting to read. Fingers crossed things settle down. Sounds like a point had passed and is now going to run its course.

 

[Phantast2k]

Can't wait for some Neo-Stalinist shithead to come in here to try to lecture Brazilians about how this is actually a mock revolution, orchestrated the West to get rid of a legitimate, Socialist leader.

Love & support from Germany.
I hope this remains nonviolent and the corrupt bastards go on their own (right into jail).

 

[KeyChainDude]

I'm not very up to date on the current situation in Brazil, but is a military coup a possibility at this point?

There's no indication whatsoever that the military will try something like this, or that they have enough power right now on their own for such. Given how tense things are right now, we can't rule out the possibility though.

 

[LeonSPBR]

I'm not very up to date on the current situation in Brazil, but is a military coup a possibility at this point?

No. Brazil have a bad history with military in the presidency, so incredible small chance of that happen. But the impeachment of Dilma have started last year and with this move, it will gain a lot of steam.

And now with Lula back.... Dilma shot herself in the foot by trying to protect Lula.

 

[JJD]

Lula is the most corrupt ever?

Out of curiosity OP, how old are you?

I'm not saying he is innocent, I don't think he is. But damn people have short memory.

 

[KeyChainDude]

Thanks a lot for your support guys! Good to know our voice won't die on deaf ears. I really hope the international media picks up on the discussion to heat up the government's ass, especially with 12 weeks to go for the Olympics games.

Lula is the most corrupt ever?

Out of curiosity OP, how old are you?

I'm not saying he is innocent, I don't think he is. But damn people have short memory.

Ok, we went through some tough shit already, including Collor and Vargas and whatnot. As I said, I tried not to be too biased, but Lula is definitely up there with the most slippery pieces of shit on our history lol

 

[televator]

bubberducky?

That's how you know shit got real.

 

[tlstls]

I was there today.

He arguably threw the constitution out of the window to cause social outrage, and you bet it goddamn worked

He did not, it was still in his powers to do so, he did it hours before it would be off his jurisdiction.

 

[KeyChainDude]

bubberducky?

Yes, because they've been messing with the people like we were sitting ducks. We won't stand it any longer, the giant duck is a way to banter them.

He did not, it was still in his powers to do so, he did it hours before it would be off his jurisdiction.

Yes, that's why I put it as "arguably". I didn't put it in the OP, but for those interested, Lula was supposed to take over his new position only on the next week. However, given all the evidence against him, they hurried up the process and nominated him TODAY, and now are accusing the judge of leaking evidence out of his jurisdiction, even if he supposedly was in charge until the nomination ceremony. It's truly a clusterfuck.

 

[JJD]

Ok, we went through some tough shit already, including Collor and Vargas and whatnot. As I said, I tried not to be too biased, but Lula is definitely up there with the most slippery pieces of shit on our history lol

Vargas? Really? LMAO.

And you still say you're not too biased...lol, OK.

Of all exemples you could give you mention Vargas? Next you're going to tell me Kubitshek was among the most "corrupt and slippery pieces of shit too". You know before he died UDN was making a big smear campaign about how an apartment he had in Rio was a product of years of corruption when he build Brasilia. Kinda reminds me of what is happening with Lula right now. People are too eager to condemn anyone they don't like without awaiting the results of the trial.

As I said, I don't believe he is innocent, but I have no idea if he is guilty of everything the media is accusing him. And I certainly don't believe he is the most corrupt president we ever had.

The next few months are going to be reeeeeealy interesting.

Yes, that's why I put it as "arguably". I didn't put it in the OP, but for those interested, Lula was supposed to take over his new position only on the next week. However, given all the evidence against him, they hurried up the process and nominated him TODAY, and now are accusing the judge of leaking evidence out of his jurisdiction, even if he supposedly was in charge until the nomination ceremony. It's truly a clusterfuck.

You do realize that the phone taps leaked to the press between the president and Lula are probably illegal right?

Judge Moro acknowledged himself that he suspended the phone taps on Wednesday morning. The policy chief was officially told to suspend the taps but he kept recording then without a judicial order.

 

[Roo]

How many weeks till the olympics? It'd be good to see if the world media picks up on this.

Brazilian people definitely should use the Olympics as a platform to make some noise on the matter.

 

[KeyChainDude]

Vargas? Really? LMAO.

And you still say you're not too biased...lol, OK.

Of all exemples you could give you mention Vargas? Next you're going to tell me Kubitshek was among the most "corrupt and slippery pieces of shit too". You know before he died UDN was making a big smear campaign about how an apartment he had in Rio was a product of years of corruption when he build Brasilia. Kinda reminds me of what is happening with Lula right now. People are too eager to condemn anyone they don't like without awaiting the results of the trial.

As I said, I don't believe he is innocent, but I have no idea if he is guilty of everything the media is accusing him. And I certainly don't believe he is the most corrupt president we ever had.

The next few months are going to be reeeeeealy interesting.

I was referring specifically about his coup d'etat to stay in power for longer than allowed on the Constitution. But discussing who's the worst villain won't do much, let's focus on the current situation.

 

[ramparter]

Nothing is going to happen.

This.

 

[tlstls]

You do realize that the phone taps leaked to the press between the president and Lula are probably illegal right?

Judge Moro acknowledged himself that he suspended the phone taps on Wednesday morning. The policy chief was officially told to suspend the taps but he kept recording then without a judicial order.

It takes time for the mobile network operator to stop the wiretapping, you really think that you write an order on paper and it magically happens? It does not, it takes time.

Anyway, Lula was using his employee mobile phone (he says he doesn't have a mobile phone, he says he doesn't have a lot of things) so I don't know the law about this, but I think it was legal as it was his mistake by using a third party phone.

 

[JJD]

I was referring specifically about his coup d'etat to stay in power for longer than allowed on the Constitution. But discussing who's the worst villain won't do much, let's focus on the current situation.

Coup d'état??????? LMAO! You're on a roll mister.

How can a government (democratically elected by the way) perform a coup...against itself?

And how can a nomination be considered a coup? I think the word you're looking for is "obstruction of justice" isn't it? But how can it be obstruction if the person in question will still be judged, except at a hierarchical superior court?

Geez...I guess anything goes if you guys overthrown the government right?

Personally I think that it's good that our people have finally awakened and are not willing to accept all the wrong doings that have been committed against our country by the people in power. But I don't agree that throwing away our constitution, basic civil rights and due process is the way to fix our democracy.

Judge Moro is proof that the system can work. And the only way to impeach the government is working through the system.

When the leader of the opposition, the guys most interested in impeaching the president says that the coercive questioning of Lula was not legal and the masses scream "who cares, just throw him in jail", you know something is not right.

 

[massoluk]

Man, what a turn around from the "most popular politician in the world"

 

[shira]

Man the fucking cojones on this judge. He's fucking Batman