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Nvidia plans to lock Game Ready drivers behind GeForce Experience registration
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legacyzero
Banned
But Experience is liquid shit.
Krappadizzle
Member
I use GFE all the time for shadow play so it's not like I won't be doing this. What possible reason could they have for doing this? Shitty move Nvidia. I'm sure you'll be able to get the most updated drivers from a 3rd party but you shouldn't have to and Nvidia are some assholes for forcing people's hand that don't want to use GFE.
This is dumb, I signed in with my Google account a while ago and it was basically no trouble, but I don't get why it's necessary at all. Maybe they should tell us.
It's the way they search all your drives for your installed games on every launch, it's so stupid, you can disable it by unticking 'Show only programs installed on this computer' in 3D settings though. NVIDIA's software and ecosystem is why I choose them over AMD, but I'm not going to say their general purpose desktop software is of good quality, it's actually pretty bad with a few exceptions (I think ShadowPlay has been good, reliable and made reasonable progress over time).
It's the way they search all your drives for your installed games on every launch, it's so stupid, you can disable it by unticking 'Show only programs installed on this computer' in 3D settings though. NVIDIA's software and ecosystem is why I choose them over AMD, but I'm not going to say their general purpose desktop software is of good quality, it's actually pretty bad with a few exceptions (I think ShadowPlay has been good, reliable and made reasonable progress over time).
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Yes, I have to fix that, and re-do my overscan correction every time I install a new driver. It's a pain.
I think Nvidia believes the vast majority will stick with them no matter what they do as long as they have the best video cards and driver support. All the vitriol in this thread won't amount to jack shit. I bet they are right, too.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
it is the year 2020
you turn on your pc computer running on MICROSOFT WINDOWS 13
you renew your OS annual subscription
your computer is powered by an NVIDIA GPU because they're the only manufacturer left
you install your third NVIDIA GPU upgrade with two remaining OS limited upgrades left
you download your latest GAMEREADY BETA drivers through GEFORCE EXPERIENCE for maximum performance
hairworks and physx are forced on in every game for maximum NVIDIA experience
you boot up and log into the steam user interface
you start preloading half life 3 f2p early access open world multiplayer with crafting
you bide time by selecting assassin's creed 37
you put in your uplay login
you enter your pre-order bonus goodies code rewarded exclusively at GAMESTOP
you connect your facebook account for maximum social networking features (this is an mmo after all)
you smile at this new golden age of pc gaming
you turn on your pc computer running on MICROSOFT WINDOWS 13
you renew your OS annual subscription
your computer is powered by an NVIDIA GPU because they're the only manufacturer left
you install your third NVIDIA GPU upgrade with two remaining OS limited upgrades left
you download your latest GAMEREADY BETA drivers through GEFORCE EXPERIENCE for maximum performance
hairworks and physx are forced on in every game for maximum NVIDIA experience
you boot up and log into the steam user interface
you start preloading half life 3 f2p early access open world multiplayer with crafting
you bide time by selecting assassin's creed 37
you put in your uplay login
you enter your pre-order bonus goodies code rewarded exclusively at GAMESTOP
you connect your facebook account for maximum social networking features (this is an mmo after all)
you smile at this new golden age of pc gaming
dr_rus
Member
So what that means is that we'll have to download driver packages extracted from Experience from mediafire and such sources hoping that they don't contain anything extra in them.
I don't see how people who consciously uncheck Experience from installing right now would go and install it when being forced to. I certainly will avoid it as much as I can - up to a point where I'll use my antivirus to block it from launching.
Good move, 10/10, NVIDIA.
I don't see how people who consciously uncheck Experience from installing right now would go and install it when being forced to. I certainly will avoid it as much as I can - up to a point where I'll use my antivirus to block it from launching.
Good move, 10/10, NVIDIA.
RandomSeed
Member
I was right with you until I read this utter and complete bullshit. Unless you meant to type 3020.
It's going to come to a head eventually and collapse. There's going to be other storefront/platforms popping up on PC. We've already got Steam/Uplay/Xbox W10 Store/Origin and now we have shit like this.
I literally have to go in and turn off Geforce EXPERIENCE services that are still running even though the program isn't up. The capture service is has a performance hit on games and I'm tired of having to turn it off every time I boot my PC upl
Cannon Goose
Member
GFE has worked well enough for me when using Shadowplay, but it has crashed or given me an error literally every time I have tried to update drivers through it. I've always downloaded the drivers manually, uninstalled the previous ones and then installed the new ones.
So fuck, I guess. I really hope they put some serious effort into making GFE a decent piece of software before they start enforcing this.
So fuck, I guess. I really hope they put some serious effort into making GFE a decent piece of software before they start enforcing this.
E-mails. The same reason every piece of hardware, PC or otherwise, encourages you to register it on their site.
I have GeForce Experience running all the time because of ShadowPlay, and at some point I registered because "why not?", but this is shitty for people who care more about privacy than I do.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Alright, now why is it that there's all this talk like it's a doomsday sort of thing to be happening? Why not just use an email account that you use for registrations? I have one that has none of my personal information on it specifically for this kind of thing.
bee
Member
yup this wont change anything and certainly won't stop the leaks, better not had anyway, nvidia drivers are pretty shitty, their mainline branch has to my knowledge never downclocked my titan x from 1000mhz ever, it just sits there on desktop running way too fast, thankfully their vr dev drivers and various other beta drivers are fine
zerokoolpsx
Member
How does this benefit us lol? Their reason is total bs though. Shadowplay is the only reason I use GeForce Experience. It always try to optimize my game settings everytime I run it. Yeah, no thanks, I can do that myself.
If giving 'choice' to pros and casuals is such a big deal, why not host two drivers on one page and bloody signpost it.
This is the quarterly 'stable' geforce driver for most users.
This is the less stable tweaked for performance game driver for gamers, with ongoing tweaks and fixes for the lastest releases.
Give a choice and make it explicit what they both do.
Bloody PR corporate doublespeak shite.
This is the quarterly 'stable' geforce driver for most users.
This is the less stable tweaked for performance game driver for gamers, with ongoing tweaks and fixes for the lastest releases.
Give a choice and make it explicit what they both do.
Bloody PR corporate doublespeak shite.
Bubba_Sparks
Member
I don't know why they would do this and honestly it looks kind of shady. I use GeForce Experience to stay up to date with my drivers so I don't have a problem with the application, it just seems silly to limit peoples choice.
General Lee
Member
This benefits Nvidia and Nvidia only. Nvidia strikes me as a company that'll have no qualms about abusing their dominant market position as much as they can. The problem for Nvidia is that it's hard to lock people into buying their cards, so they try to create software features to lock people into their ecosystem. GFE is just one more example of this, and hiding important driver updates behind it will only help serve this purpose.
Dreams-Visions
Member
GFE is barely stable as it is. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes it just doesn't.
Doesn't sound like a good idea, Nvidia.
Doesn't sound like a good idea, Nvidia.
Glitchesarecool
Member
What kind of slippery slope crap is this? They haven't even implemented the registration stuff yet, maybe enough people will complain that they won't do it in the first place.
Even if it did get to that point, no one in their right mind would buy Nvidia products at that point.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Oh my god. I haaaaate crap like this.
Someone in this thread mentioned Guru3d.com offers standalone links? Guess I should bookmark that site.
Someone in this thread mentioned Guru3d.com offers standalone links? Guess I should bookmark that site.
I always use display driver uninstaller in safe mode to totally wipe every trace of the old driver out before installing the new one, then I have to do some registry edits to get my EDID override working again after each new driver install (I need my 4:4:4).
It's a hassle, but it's an even bigger hassle when I don't have control over what I'm doing. It already blows a million dicks at once that Windows 10 installs drivers automatically without consent or notification- I've already had multiple instances of installation conflicts that led to intractable Windows update errors because Windows was installing an out of date driver while I was trying to install the newest one. It means I have to stop everything I was doing, let Windows finish installing the shitty driver, then go back to safe boot and remove it and do the installation over again, this time with my internet access disabled. DDU is supposed to disable these auto updates, but somehow Windows seems to keep overriding it.
Automated update processes are bullshit, and Geforce experience is just another obstacle to being able to cleanly install things the way I want. Why force users into this? What do they gain? Isn't Geforce experience readily available to users who don't want to/ don't know how to manually update?
The only way I'd be okay with this is if Geforce experience actually made a cloud backup of all your settings/registry fixes, then wiped all traces of the last driver for you in safe mode before install and then reapplied all your backed up settings automatically. Then it would actually be convenient and I'd actually like it. As it is now, it's just an unnecessary pain in the ass that I avoid at all costs.
It's a hassle, but it's an even bigger hassle when I don't have control over what I'm doing. It already blows a million dicks at once that Windows 10 installs drivers automatically without consent or notification- I've already had multiple instances of installation conflicts that led to intractable Windows update errors because Windows was installing an out of date driver while I was trying to install the newest one. It means I have to stop everything I was doing, let Windows finish installing the shitty driver, then go back to safe boot and remove it and do the installation over again, this time with my internet access disabled. DDU is supposed to disable these auto updates, but somehow Windows seems to keep overriding it.
Automated update processes are bullshit, and Geforce experience is just another obstacle to being able to cleanly install things the way I want. Why force users into this? What do they gain? Isn't Geforce experience readily available to users who don't want to/ don't know how to manually update?
The only way I'd be okay with this is if Geforce experience actually made a cloud backup of all your settings/registry fixes, then wiped all traces of the last driver for you in safe mode before install and then reapplied all your backed up settings automatically. Then it would actually be convenient and I'd actually like it. As it is now, it's just an unnecessary pain in the ass that I avoid at all costs.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I had a glitch for a long time where GeForce experience would never open, it would just keep loading forever and ever. I would've been fucked if I'd still had that issue and they did this.
Don't know if I ever fixed it as I re-installed W10 a few weeks ago.
Don't know if I ever fixed it as I re-installed W10 a few weeks ago.
NeOak
Member
They won't. And you'll love it.
Oh no, I have to do a free registration to access some optional features. How will I survive.
Edit: I didn't realize it also requires you install their management software. Sucks, but people who really want to download them separately will be able to find alternatives elsewhere.
I use AMD cards.
Edit: I didn't realize it also requires you install their management software. Sucks, but people who really want to download them separately will be able to find alternatives elsewhere.
Well that is a stupid move from Nvidia, really unnecessary. I hope the negative feedback make them reconsider this. I like most of the things that Experience does but it's a buggy mess sometimes:
* Sometimes it won't load at all or is slow as fck
* Most of the times the download speed of the drivers is awful, faster via web
* Sometimes drivers downloaded from the application fail to install for w/e reason
* Sometimes it eats 15% to 20% of CPU time.
* Sometimes the overlay is buggy and crash some games or the game lost focus.
* Sometimes it won't load at all or is slow as fck
* Most of the times the download speed of the drivers is awful, faster via web
* Sometimes drivers downloaded from the application fail to install for w/e reason
* Sometimes it eats 15% to 20% of CPU time.
* Sometimes the overlay is buggy and crash some games or the game lost focus.
Thats what I have been doing for years. This is just dumb though.
I guess I expected this from the company who made game ready drivers for batman ak. Shady as always.
