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ESPN: "Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and Patriots apart"
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No they're saying they didn't tape walkthroughs.
forgeforsaken
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They admitted recording game day signals, not practices. They are reiterating that they did not record practices.
Alligatorjandro
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Says the colt fan
Patriot haters eyes so full of salt they can't even read confirmed.
ThisGuy
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I don't understand your problem with my initial post if you're not defending the pats cheating. I'm just messing with you any ways. Rick and morty references and other thread topic references.
Don't get me wrong, I think the pats are shit though. I've lost bets over those bottom feeders.
A lot of the stuff you've written here, doesn't seem to have actually happened. Kinda like Deflategate
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I don't follow sports at all but the salt on /r/patriots is so good
The Albatross
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Aye, I was thankfully born in 1984, so I really didn't come to an age of being able to understand anything until Bledsoe's second season. I've been pretty blessed if you consider that in the last 20 years of actually being able to reasonably follow the sport of football, my favorite team has only had 2 losing seasons... 1995 (6-10) and 2000 (5-11). It's amazing.
The Steelers are the only other franchise to be as successful in the same stretch.
CitizenCope
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I had season ticket access when Hugh Millen was QB. Ouch! We've had our bad times. Let us enjoy these 15 years and close this thread! =D
Think I'm getting too old for this. Let's just give everyone a Lombardi after each season.
Actually ... they say they never filmed a walk though or practice. Which is true (never been proven otherwise). They filmed in game signals (as other teams had done also), and it was from the sideline which up until that year was legal. They did not follow the "cease" order from the NFL and that is what got them in hot water.
Reading comprehension for the win..... or in your case, the loss.
They don't know the meaning of salt, so I expect nothing less
17 Seconds
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Alligatorjandro
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Calm down
17 Seconds
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People need to stop using the term "salt". It's getting embarrassing, and it's almost exclusively used by people who know their argument is weak.
You just used it and your argument is weak. Theorem proven.
Dreams-Visions
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Time to let it go, ESPN.
17 Seconds
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How did I use it?
The Albatross
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Nah, the Pat statement is that most of the first half of the article (what I've read so far) is based on Matt Walsh's claims, which the Boston Herald paid him for in early 2008. Walsh's story, which The Herald and ESPN had reported on significantly, fell apart under scrutiny, and the Herald was forced to retract the story and issued an apology to the Patriots. Much of this article, at least up to "WITHIN DAYS, SPECTER " (which is where I'm at) seems based on the information that Walsh had provided the Boston Herald in 2008, and then also unnamed, uncited, anonymous sources.
For those who don't remember, Matt Walsh was the employee let go by the Patriots in 2003 who then wanted to sell his story in 2008. He also claimed to have all of these things, like secret tapes and information, that he did not have and that... when reviewed, weren't anything unusual.
"Suspicion" is a bit different than "Accusation"
M1ch04c4n0
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Guys, guys, is OK! It was scripted that way, in the end the Patriots will come as villains or heroes, either way they will received they reward or comeuppance.
Right now I think this story arc is aimed to make a low-level team come from behind and save the day.
Right now I think this story arc is aimed to make a low-level team come from behind and save the day.
DragonSworne
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He says she says. The last people I'll take as creditable on the matter of spygate are the Patriots.
If you look closely you can see an * etched into each ring.
Netherscourge
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Patriots under Belichick:
1. Videotaping opposing teams signals, practices and walkthroughs
2. Stealing play sheets from opposing team's lockerooms and even from their hotel rooms
3. Bugging locker rooms
4. Deflating footballs
5. Jobbing the eligible receiver rule
6. Getting the NFL to give them a new rule (tuck) to justify Brady's fumble that launched his bogus career.
But the Patriots deny it all, so it's OK!
1. Videotaping opposing teams signals, practices and walkthroughs
2. Stealing play sheets from opposing team's lockerooms and even from their hotel rooms
3. Bugging locker rooms
4. Deflating footballs
5. Jobbing the eligible receiver rule
6. Getting the NFL to give them a new rule (tuck) to justify Brady's fumble that launched his bogus career.
But the Patriots deny it all, so it's OK!
Alligatorjandro
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And you would believet he NFL?
The Albatross
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DragonSworne, just to write this out so that you might understand...
In this post, you ask "lol,. did the Patriots just say that Spygate never happened?"
And somebody replied that, no, actually what the Patriots are referring to is information that came out after Spygate, in 2008, involving a guy named Matt Walsh, and that his information was largely discredited (both ESPN and the Herald apologized for running misinformation from Walsh earlier).
So this reply:
Makes no sense.
You need to follow your own questions.
THose are just camera flashes because Brady is so boss
In this post, you ask "lol,. did the Patriots just say that Spygate never happened?"
And somebody replied that, no, actually what the Patriots are referring to is information that came out after Spygate, in 2008, involving a guy named Matt Walsh, and that his information was largely discredited (both ESPN and the Herald apologized for running misinformation from Walsh earlier).
So this reply:
Makes no sense.
You need to follow your own questions.
THose are just camera flashes because Brady is so boss
Im surprised someone hasnt made that yet.
So the details don't matter at all? It's just he say she says? or for you, whatever the headline says?
Pats never taped practices, bugged locker rooms or stolen play sheets. It's going to take a little more than whispers from anonymous sources to make me believe otherwise. Only things Pats have been guilty of is taping signals, and deflating balls. The latter of which I'm not 100% sure they did.
The things in bold haven't been proven. The Tuck Rule existed well before 2001 and the eligible receiver was more gamesmanship than anything else.
The Albatross
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Well let's see here.
1. Videotaping opposing teams signals, yes, Patriots never denied it... Belichick and Kraft apologized for it and the team & coach received the maximum punishment in the NFL for it. Videotaking practices and walkthroughs? Never happened, this very ESPN article says as much:
So unless you have a better source than what this article is based off of, then no.
2. Stealing playsheets. Unnamed, uncited, anonymous rumor.
3. Bugging locker rooms. Unnamed, uncited, anonymous rumor.
4. Deflating footballs. Organization took punishment for alleged deflation in a single game, but no evidence that players knew about it held up under scrutiny.
5. Jobbing the eligible receiver rule. This ones a weird one because this was not against the rules, Belichick owned it, and it shows that other coaches and refs were unable to account for unique playcalls. Yale and Harvard wanted to ban the forward pass the first time it was used in a game as well.
6. The Tuck rule. The Patriots had nothing to do with the tuck rule being created, and the rule had been called against them earlier in 2001 in the same game that Bledsoe got hurt:
Patriots must have had A LOT of foresight to encourage the NFL to call a rule against then in Week 2, just so that the league would eventually call it in their favor half a year later in the playoffs.
The Albatross
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9. 14 straight years of winning seasons
Alligatorjandro
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Who did they kill?
Its not always easy to actually prove when someone is cheating or breaking the rules without their compliance or admission, neither of which the Pats are willing to provide.
Keep holding onto the faith though Dragon!
Because the reputation is forever ruined and all of their accomplishments are now forever tainted. It must really kill Pats fans inside that they think they have the best team, coach and qb of all time and that it is never going to be officially recognized outside of New England. Anytime you bring up the Pats in the company of any respectable people the first thing they are going to do is discount all of they achievement and label them as cheaters.
I feel bad for you. I really do. You are going through the same thing that Lance Armstrongs mother went though.
The Albatross
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Yeah that and Pittsburgh. Seems insane that these teams wouldn't change their signals at all. I mean, Bills and Dolphins you can kind of expect. Mike Malarkey, Gregg Williams, and Dick Jauron are 3 of the worst head coaches that you can come up with in that era. But Cower and Tomlin are good coaches.
Most anti-Patriots stuff is pretty laughable and easy to shrug off, but this bugs me because it's just so ignorant. Bob Kraft testified against Aaron Hernandez and his testimony sent Hernandez to jail. In an age when organizations are protecting their players amidst domestic violence and legal disputes, this is one case where the organization took a stand and actually went to court on behalf of the prosecution to put a dirt bag behind bars.
Its not always easy to actually prove when someone is cheating or breaking the rules without their compliance or admission, neither of which the Pats are willing to provide.
Keep holding onto the faith though Dragon!
Because the reputation is forever ruined and all of their accomplishments are now forever tainted. It must really kill Pats fans inside that they think they have the best team, coach and qb of all time and that it is never going to be officially recognized outside of New England. Anytime you bring up the Pats in the company of any respectable people the first thing they are going to do is discount all of they achievement and label them as cheaters.
I feel bad for you. I really do. You are going through the same thing that Lance Armstrongs mother went though.
Don't lose sleep over us, it's really not as hard to be a New England sports fan as you think. I mean, the traffic during all of the championship parades is really annoying when you have to commute into the city, but it's something we've just learn to deal with over the last 15 years... as terrible as it is.
Put all of those accomplishments in the same trash can that holds the list of most Tour De France and most Home Runs of all time!
Now hold on a sec, you can't prove that one.
The Pats lost a game that same season due to the Tuck Rule, but the whiners like to pretend that never happened.
metalslimer
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Would anything convince any of you patriots fans your team did some shady shit in the past decade?
:lol
You truly know nothing.
Cowher by the way was a fantastic Monday to Saturday coach (something Tomlin can't claim) and was amazing at coaching players up, but he was horrible on game day until he finally threw off the shackles of Marty Ball in 2005 and went for broke.
Tomlin can't even cheat properly. I pray that one day he will remember and know that Heinz field is the most difficult field to kick field goals on. He has lost at least 6 games off the top of my head by going for incredibly difficult field goals that had like a less than 10% chance of being successful and giving the other team the short field which they promptly used to beat us at the last second. He still has not learned that lesson....
hydragonwarrior
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I can see the NFL trying to negotiate a city to to start a team called the "Ex-Patriots"
Evidence.
(EDIT)
Deflategate made me wonder a bit, until the Wells Report was thoroughly debunked and later shit all over. It's clear that the NFL came up with an outcome and then worked backwards from there.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Let it go, takes too much energy to whine and hate. Are you ready for some football!? or do you now despize the Patriots and the NFL to the point where you can't enjoy NFL football anymore so you would rather hate? ESPN will milk this until no end because they know there will always be a story to be made for people like you. There is no new info just reguritated stuff we already heard about.
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