Captain Hero
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Xbox Series X vs PS5 load time comparisons on BC games
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That’s deep
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
lol and i got shit for saying the difference between both consoles would only be a matter of a few seconds.
well, there it is.
well, there it is.
Bryank75
Banned
Naaa, it's in the CNet video...I think around 9.22. He shows it on screen.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Considering that a firmware update literally cut load times down over 300% on Astrobot, it may get updated again on or around launch for BC games.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I have a copy of Zoo tycoon 2 on my SSD equipped PC, for my daughter, anyway.. the game takes forever to load itself, saving must take a minute too.
An SSD without the right software can be useless.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Good games are matter... not load times. In the past we look forward for great games with great content but now gamers look for how good is the console or ugly and how fast are my cold boot blah blah blah.
I’m not complaining about the fast SSDs but also I’m not focusing on that as a game changer.
regawdless
Banned
SSD gate. What a twist.
BigLee74
Member
Makes all those posters that laughed at the XSX BC loading times, whilst claiming PS5 has near 'instant loading' and 'everything under 2 seconds', look pretty stupid now.
I said all along, wait until you see a like for like comparison before you start boasting and making ridiculous claims.
I said all along, wait until you see a like for like comparison before you start boasting and making ridiculous claims.
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In the XSX BC loading time threads
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
seems Xbox = more efficient compression. PS5 = brute force raw speeds.
both consoles will perform similar to each other in most situations.
people truly fell for Sony's marketing.
both consoles will perform similar to each other in most situations.
people truly fell for Sony's marketing.
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Boneyblaff
Member
I'm all for having a discussion around the comparisons of the two, but the people trying to "poo poo" one side compared to the one in order to validate their purchase is annoying. Can't we just be happy that we're seeing this large of a jump over the prior generation?
New Yorks Finest
Banned
/Thread.
Now that Sony broskis got a reality check and humbled with the recent gifts of Hardware reviews...
stay humble my friends, in life, what goes around comes around..right? So stay in your lane and everything should be ok...maybe.
PS: It all makes sense now for a long drag last minute NDA, Sony knew their hyped SSD was far from peaches and cream and promises could NOT be delivered. Got beat in every single VS comparison.
For exclusives mashine it is, Again.
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Michael Hawk
Member
That BC performance is a motherfucking plot twist. Big congrats to the Xbox team for getting it right.
Sejanus
Member
Οκ....
Read what I'm actually saying.
I'm not claiming that anyone is lying, so i don't require evidence. I believe CNET's quoted time.
I'm saying that the discrepancies could be explained by different sources using different units with different OS/game patches applied.
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Yes and despite how this is an obvious factor to consider, especially when considering different places quoting different loading times for the same games on the same platform or for cold boot/resume times. There can't be that much variability so either something is up on the software side or people are measuring differently.
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BigLee74
Member
Calm your jets, matey!
In one game, where the PS5 runs it at a lower resolution.
Disclaimer: Impressed with PS5 BC, but it's no real surprise. Both these machines should be (and rightly are) eating these older games for breakfast.
Krisprolls
Banned
It's not one game at all, there are a lot of games in this video where PS5 is locked 60 and XSX unstable 60. Watch again, maybe.
And we don't know how higher res ps5 could go since it's locked 60. We'll have to wait for next gen comparison. But locked 60 means it could go higher.
All this doesn't bode well for XSX having much of an advantage.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
But PS5 SSD speed is like 50x faster than an old ass Xbox One or PS4 HDD.
Where's the 2 second loading times aside from that video in 2019 showing Spiderman loading in 1 second?
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SirTerry-T
Member
Some of you lot are arguing over fucking seconds.
Not hours.
Not minutes.
Seconds.
Get a grip and look forward to playing your games, old and new, on these shiny new toys.
Not hours.
Not minutes.
Seconds.
Get a grip and look forward to playing your games, old and new, on these shiny new toys.
ethomaz
Banned
Sorry my mistake on the quote.
There is another option: somebody is giving wrong numbers.
Halo2redvsblue
Member
I'm more pro Xbox and I am pro Sony (I actually don't like PlayStation at all for principal reasons) and Yes the Xbox backwards compatibility is ultimately better than Sony's and most likely Sony will be better at loading next gen games then the Xbox but can we all agree though that it's only going to be like a 10-second difference to each other. Isn't it better than the minute we had to wait last gen? We're fighting over fucking seconds people Jesus lol.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
They're also not using XvA.
Honestly I don't think most people are understanding that load times are affected by things other than just simply the SSD. That seems to be at the crux of the issue here.
Well, there's a lot about the NAND on both systems we don't know about. There's a lot about the specifics in their FMCs (flash memory controllers) we don't know about. It's those little details that could be accounting for differences.
Though, since these are BC titles not really leveraging the full I/O stack of either system, then we should also be considerate that hard-coded I/O code in the native software, CPU, GPU etc. are also sizable factors in what we're seeing, even for the load times. And I'm also willing to accept that in some cases, it could be down to older versions that need new patches.
Thing is though, a lot of these variables are equally valid for both systems, not just one, so it's debatable to what degree it's really worth stressing here.
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Meaning what; lying? No, I disagree. Why people always go immediately to accusations of lying and conspiracy theories I don't know.
We know that patches can hugely effect performance. We've seen it with Astro's Playroom as a very specific example. It has been patched once or more since reviewers got their review units and its load times decreased a lot.
ethomaz
Banned
Well the twitter in OP is a know liar that will do anything to make his platform better.
A hint 14-15s in others outlets is way different from these 23s posted by him.
BTW I’m not even sure he really has a PS5.
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BigLee74
Member
I watched the DF video.
I saw one. Seikoro or whatever is called. And running at a lesser resolution than the XS.
They briefly touched on hitman, which had a few minor drops on the XSX, but then they realised you could drop the XSX resolution to match the PS5, and both were suddenly a locked 60.
I also saw an Assasins Creed where the PS5 framerate absolutely tanked in comparison to XSX.
If I'm wrong, please feel free to list all the places where PS5 held a solid 60 when the XSX could not, and timestamp them. You said there were lots, so get cracking!
Both appear to be performing well (as expected), generally maxing out within the game parameters of the underlying platform (also hindered/helped by this limitation with regards to performance metrics).
Anyway, lets cuddle!
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Calverz
Gold Member
You could think this. But remember none of these games are using the xbox velocity architecture.....
JoeDanny
Member
Being neutral in console warfare is my favorite aspect of a new gen launching, especially now that people are arguing over seconds of difference in loading times. Harvesting raw copium ore has never been easier. Imagine thinking that you need to hold someone "accountable" for their opinion of a plastic box.
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microsoft emphasized their ssd speeds are sustained, whereas the figures sony released are a theoretical limit that doesnt seem to be sustainable for any reasonable length of time.
for people excusing the results because of BC mode and the CPU is not fully realized, what do you think is gonna happen to the rest of the CPU in next gen games? Uh, it'll also be all used up by the game engines. none of these games take further advantage of the xbox velocity architecture either.
for people excusing the results because of BC mode and the CPU is not fully realized, what do you think is gonna happen to the rest of the CPU in next gen games? Uh, it'll also be all used up by the game engines. none of these games take further advantage of the xbox velocity architecture either.
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Bladed Thesis
Member
Welcome to NeoGAF for the last year or two. Both sides have been having their time in the sun for months now. You see some craig avatars around still from diehards.
The Hamburglar
Banned
as if you actually wrote that.
Congratz on wanking yourself over loading speeds on current gen games on next gen systems. If you've paid any attention in the last 6 months, you would know that current gen games on next gen won't even use SSDs properly.
I'll quote this post on next gen only games load speeds for you. Guess then you can ignore it and talk about 12tfs.
I believe Witcher 3 and Yakuza were seen to be faster
Boneyblaff
Member
The Us Vs. Them mentality is lame with gaming, especially when everyone wins with these types of advances. I won't lie that I'm guilty of defending my Falcons when they are absolute trash, but I can't imagine doing the same with plastic boxes haha.
fersnake
Member
so funny, MS always has been better a BC now with Sony having BC with ps4 its not like the first time but kinda is and still ppl are mental over a couple of secs on this old games but when it comes to the new ones on ps5 are like 1 sec and with xbox are 8 secs they dont care xD funny
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
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The PS5 has dedicated hardware so that decompression doesn't need to use the CPU. That is not being used for BC.
It is painfully clear that neither system is actually benefitting as much as they should from the SSD with backwards compatibility so I don't know why people are flipping out about this specifically.
Kagey K
Banned
Jesus that game still takes an eternity to load on everything. Needs the next gen patch immediately, not next year.
pasterpl
Member
Spider-Man MM is showing 5x improvement over PS4
Krisprolls
Banned
Every game which is unstable 60 on XSX is locked 60 on PS5. They said it so, although yeah they mostly showed Sekiro here.
XSX will still run BC fine, it's just not the best version in terms of fps.
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
Well not sure about some but most were on about a next gen console and therefore next gen games, or games with a code change to actually take advantage of what the hardware can do.
That ultimately were performance matters most.
On those games ps5 has proven it can load full next gen games in 2 seconds.
Its great xbox has a little lead in bc im these comparisons but we know for when using the actual hardware it was designed to use PS5 is going to be hard to beat or even get close to.
Xbox has shown games with velocity architecture and they were impressive in their own right but nowhere near the ps5 2 seconds on a taxing game.
I'm a little disappointed they can't be faster, on both tbh as its clear without that code change its hitting a hard limit.
It also annoys me people counting through these splash screens, designed to hide loading last gen but its not needed on next gen but have to sit through it.
PS5 is more foreign in ssd and io than last gen, but its way better when used.
People should hang on before saying the velocity architecture has proven itself or Sony messed up with the ssd, they didn't.
They will have loading advantage and a huge streaming advantage. This shouldn't be underestimated.
Also game patches are probably coming for lots of games when these consoles release that make better use of the hardware so I'd hang on before drawing too many conclusions.
pasterpl
Member
you forgot to add that ps5 will run bc games at 60fps at lower resolution and without automatic hdr
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
We can, we don't trol Sony, but Sony fanboys in here, should be obvious : )
Krisprolls
Banned
I take locked 60 fps with slightly lower res over unstable fps with slightly higher res any day of the week.
Real comparison will be on next gen though.
Real comparison will be on next gen though.
01011001
Banned
often ½ the resolution is not slightly lower res lol
5fps to 10fps lower at times is slightly lower FPS tho
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Digital Foundry tested it in their review, it was less than 5 seconds from home screen to menu and less than 2 seconds from menu to game.
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