So basically, Phil is sad that the new Xbox launch isn't a runaway hit. You know, he talks a great game but it's been years with him at the helm and we have yet to see anything good come of it. The fact that they launched their next gen console with ZERO new games is just insane. Halo Infinite was the single first-party game that the Series X was supposed to launch with, but it got delayed so they put out a new console with nothing to offer for it. They keep buying up big studios but are failing to deliver where it counts.
Obviously they felt the need to release it alongside the PS5 because if they waited a year, they would be left in the dust. How many diehard Xboxers are there though that felt the need to upgrade at launch when there are literally no games at all that require it?
I think that PS5 needing a stand for it to be able to lie flat is a rather ridiculous design choice. Having to design storage specifically for the stand's screw is classic over engineering. Me saying these things may be hyperbole, but saying it doesn't mean I want Sony to fail. I'll still buy one when they release some games I want to play. I think Microsoft was dumb to launch Series X with literally no new games. Doesn't mean I want them to fail.
I can understand how some individuals here and on Twitter can push you out of Xbox but there's toxic fans in each comunities.In all honesty if he wasn't such a hypocrite and actually adressed the troll posts of their official twitter accounts and Aaron "XboxGunnaGiveItToYa" Greenberg's flame war posts i'd actually agree with him.
I always liked Sony more than any other platform and that was mostly because of the games they had. That doesn't mean i wanted the others to fail. I have been buying Nintendo consoles along with Playstation systems ever since the GBA and i also love a lot of Nintendo's IPs.
But with MS with the exception of 1-2 games in their whole 3 generations they had they never had exclusive games that appealed to me. I know for some people this is hard to beieve (especially Americans) but this is the truth and i'm being 100% honest. Maybe it's a cultural thing but i know that a lot of other Europeans also feel that way.
However before this gen regardless if the Xbox brand didn't appeal to me i never wanted them to fail.I always knew that competition was great for all companies. I dread to think how bad the PS3 would have been (both in terms of games as well as services) if the Xbox360 wasn't as successful as it was.
And in this gen this was the first time i was actually considering buying an Xbox console later on or at the end of the generation because out of so many studios MS has bought (and i'm not talking about Bethesda) and they have formed there are good chances that at least some of them will finally make games that will interest me.
But man,the Xbox fanboys during the end of the previous gen and at the start of this one are trying really hard to make me hate MS. I know that i shouldn't confuse the product with its consumers but man,i have never seen more lies,half-truths and spins constantly thrown by the Xbox fanboys especially for things regarding Sony and the PS5 or about how much more powerful the series X will be to the point that they are starting to make me not want to even touch an Xbox console.
I don't know maybe this is happening due to how much behind Xbox was left during last generaton and that made them incredibly toxic towards anything Sony related. In my country where the Playstation has been constantly dominating even during the start of the 360/PS3 era the situation is much worse. You would not believe the lies,half truths and spins Xbox fanboys have been spreading about Sony in the last 2 years.
In the end i know i will ignore those idiots and i will actually buy a Series X not for Gamepass (which is another thing that a lot of Xbox fanboys don't realize it's not for everyone) but for the exclusive games that interest me (i really hope MS releases a white Series X).
But again lets not pretend that guys like Phil Spencer and especially their marketing and PR teams are not the ones who fuel this "war" by stupid twitter posts,or dumb things they say at interviews or even worse by paying astroturfers in forums like this one and influencers to spread BS that they know their fanboy armies will spread in an instant.
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You are right, he and MS where fueling the "consolewar" this whole year, and constant making jabs at Sony, but now that they get hit after hit, he is in defence mode. So yes Phil Spencer is a hypocriteHe is a massive hypocrite.
Phil and his merry band of xservants regularly empower toxic Twitter trolls like TimDog and Colteastwood. I didn't notice him whining about toxicity when the console war was seemingly going in his favor all year, he even contributed his own nuggets throughout 2020... only now when Series X is shitting the bed on third party ports is he calling it out.
Wonder why...
I'm not sure top executives can be held responsible for people being idiots on the internet. People who fight over who has better toys were already stupid.What a load of bullshit. These top executives fostered the console wars with their actions and words. They are directly responsible for the system ecosystem and the fighting.
Looks like Spencer decided to pull out the bs playbook that he received from newly acquired Todd Howard. I have no quams against Xbox and hope they do well this generation but I can't stand this corporate double talk
And TwitterTribalism is the worst part of society in general today. Thanks Facebook!
No xboxfanboys are buying that shit from him and are mad that Playstation gamers are calling him out for saying shitLOL no one is buying that shit from him. He pushes console wars all the time. He just tries being subtle because he is getting his ass kicked
Garbage post, and also a heaping pile of dung. taking it way too personally dude.Phil and his merry band of xservants regularly empower toxic Twitter trolls like TimDog and Colteastwood. I didn't notice him whining about toxicity when the console war was seemingly going in his favor all year, he even contributed his own nuggets throughout 2020... only now when Series X is shitting the bed on third party ports is he calling it out.
Wonder why...
He should probably fire Greensburg and hryb then.
If you want to read that into what he said then that's your prerogative I suppose. But if you take the time to actually read what he said it's clear that he's talking about the vitriol of people who are so invested in a plastic box that they actively rooting for people fail and lose their livelihood so that their favorite toy can win some imaginary battle. Good natured teasing is fun and corporations don't have feelings. People who insult others for liking a different company's product or who send death threats to journalists over a perceived slight to their preferred video game console are the people he's talking about. And he's right...they're despicable.
There's literally nothing about that tweet that shows Microsoft rooting for Sony to fail. Using that to call him a hypocrite is a reach. The Xbox marketing team teasing Sony for a silly design decision is not what he's talking about.
I think that PS5 needing a stand for it to be able to lie flat is a rather ridiculous design choice. Having to design storage specifically for the stand's screw is classic over engineering. Me saying these things may be hyperbole, but saying it doesn't mean I want Sony to fail. I'll still buy one when they release some games I want to play. I think Microsoft was dumb to launch Series X with literally no new games. Doesn't mean I want them to fail.
Greenberg is a marketing guy, I don't understand what people expect from a guy in his position.
Greenberg is a marketing guy, I don't understand what people expect from a guy in his position.
Professionalism, not tribalism. His boss's words.
To not be bad at his job.
Greenberg is a marketing guy, I don't understand what people expect from a guy in his position.
I'm saying that those executives are the ones responsible for inflaming everything. The are the starting point of the entire processI'm not sure top executives can be held responsible for people being idiots on the internet. People who fight over who has better toys were already stupid.
I'm saying that those executives are the ones responsible for inflaming everything. The are the starting point of the entire process
Nobody expects them to not talk up their product. Unfortunately the MS camp was bringing up Sony when Sony was being very quiet during the summer. As you said though, we need to separate fans and fanboys. I am a fan of all consoles and do some PC gaming.Yeah, yeah.
But I don't think Spencer means they can't talk well about their own products, after all they're trying to sell something here and make us an offer (hoping we can't refuse). I also think we need to separate fans from fanboys. I'm a fan of Forza Horizon, for instance, meaning I love the franchise and buy every new game physically (even if it's on Game Pass). That doesn't mean I go in to threads about other racing franchises just to throw dirt (pun not intended), which fanboys often do, or feel like the skies have just fallen down if someone say to me they don't like Horizon.
My advice to Phil: Be the change you want to see in the world (and fire Aaron Greenberg too)
I love that this tweet aged like milk given where Sony’s exclusives are now vs Halo.
If you're going to start a thread with all the laughable soundbytes the corporate heads have ejaculated, be sure to include "get a second job" and "I believe in generations" in there, too. The knife cuts both ways (unless you're platform agnostic and realize they're all full of rich, creamy shit). I think an 'accountability' thread inclusive of all manufacturers and their mouth-puppets might be benefitial, so that the fanboys here can realize how stupid they look.
“SonyToo(TM)” is such a weak argument to sit down and compose in a thread like this. And truly this is what your post amounts to.
An objective person is able to call out or tolerate the calling out of the hypocrisy and inconsistency of a gaming company exec and simply engage with that discussion as the chosen subject of the thread. When you have to start resorting to whataboutism in defence of the accused, while calling everyone else fanboys and feigning your supposed moral superiority, you’re only revealing you’re own lack of self-awareness.
As this thread is about something dumb that the Xbox head said, should it be any surprise that the discussion is dominated by the criticism of such? And so if you’re own knee jerk reaction to this is to want to go an make a thread digging up dumb PR statements from competing company execs, I’d say that says more about your own irrational bias and insecurity than anyone else in this thread you’re trying to call out as a fanboy.
Just saying...
im wondering on the scale of evil things, where does message board flame wars really fall? i mean, Phil's entire industry would collapse without African child labor and literal CCP concentration camps putting together his products.
i would consider that kind of exploitation FAR WORSE AND LITERALLY FAR MORE HARMFUL than any internet drama.
also, did you know that Microsoft was the first company to join the US gov't in the NSA spying programs that spied on Americans?
yeah there is a lot of shitty things about this industry. most of that is the assholes at the top. compared to the kind of human rights violation shit they get away with, all the message board drama in the world is nothing.
im wondering on the scale of evil things, where does message board flame wars really fall? i mean, Phil's entire industry would collapse without African child labor and literal CCP concentration camps putting together his products.
i would consider that kind of exploitation FAR WORSE AND LITERALLY FAR MORE HARMFUL than any internet drama.
also, did you know that Microsoft was the first company to join the US gov't in the NSA spying programs that spied on Americans?
yeah there is a lot of shitty things about this industry. most of that is the assholes at the top. compared to the kind of human rights violation shit they get away with, all the message board drama in the world is nothing.
I think he's referring to the small minority of radical overweight middle aged man boys that live in their basement and dirty their controllers with Cheetos on a daily basis.
My advice to Phil: Be the change you want to see in the world (and fire Aaron Greenberg too)
I love that this tweet aged like milk given where Sony’s exclusives are now vs Halo.
Is that a PS3 in the background?
That was TEN YEARS AGO. Years before Spencer became the head of Xbox. Do you remember the arrogant Sony during the PS3 era (or at least the first few years of it), as well as the sales bragging their E3 conferences consisted of during the PS1 and PS2 eras? It's weird to look at today. Things have changed since then, for the better I might add.