Isn't the XB1 install base around 40 million? 1/4 of all XB1 owners subbing to it sounds really high tbh.
I mean, if they do have that sort of engagement, then it's an outstanding success. It's something that they will tout to the high heavens to their investors.
I suppose there's some people who are PC only who may have subbed and add to the number, but I imagine that number is really low.
Do you not know anything about marketing? I guess Netflix isn't successful because they offered the first month free, or 14 day free trials.
Netflix makes money buy has been racking up debt as it does and subscription growth is what they use as capital to finance that debt. "Impressive percentage of overall revenues" might just mean that overall revenues are low. Certainly, the subscription revenues adds predictability, but the more people use the service the fewer games they buy. Which mean lower overall revenues and less money for publishers and developers.
It's possible they are being very aggressive with their pricing. It would be interesting to see what happens when they stop giving out near freebies. I believe the last number reported by Sony was around 700,000 subscribers, but I would think most of those would pay full price. I also believe their service is more than 10 bucks a month...wanna say 14.It's 3 months for $1 dollar.
3 months.
I'm not saying the service is not successful, but if it was as big as some people are trying to make it out to be, I doubt they would even offer 1 dollar for 3 months. I'm also sure they took a huge loss with Crackdown 3 going straight to GP because the game didn't even make a dent when it comes to digital\physical sales.
I'm sure they're going to stop these 1 dollar deals when Gears of War 5 rolls around.
I didn't even think about this...and i know because I'm one of those people who suck at unsubscribing. My wallet cries from my negligence sometimes. Really good point.Don't forget you don't get these offers if your already subscribed, and lots of people are shit with canceling subs or just leave them running because they shit with managing their finances or just don't care.
I'd find the 1 billion more believable if that was the total since the launch of Game pass.
I believe the last number reported by Sony was around 700,000 subscribers, but I would think most of those would pay full price. I also believe their service is more than 10 bucks a month...wanna say 14.
hopefully it comes to PC and includes the Halo games.
It's just a different pricing structure and one that at some levels may be less attractive to users. I know I would have a problem subscribing a full year for 99.99 when theres no perks like day 1 exclusives, such as gamepass has. To be fair, I dont know what Sony has on offer simply because the pricing serves as a deterrent. Game pass pricing is a much easier pill to swallow financially even if it does end up being more for the full year at $120 paying 10 bucks a month with the ability to cancel at any time.PlayStation®Plus | Hundreds of games to download and play, PlayStation classics, game trials and more
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Its $99.99 a year in the US, $44.99 for 3-months, and for 1-month $19.99. You can also get deals as low as $79.99. With this you can stream 750+ games, download or stream 275 PS4 games, and this also includes the ability to play online with those games. So, that comes to between $6.66 ($79.99 annual) to $8.33 ($99.99 annual) per month.
There really is no sustainable business model to support this long-term. Microsoft doesn't have a one billion dollar business with Game Pass, they're lucky if they have a $15-30m business. Let's put this in perspective, a game like Red Dead Redemption probably had more revenue in one hour of sales. Its a rental program, which is okay, but I doubt anyone does huge numbers. Phil convinced Nadella to give him another check in exchange for him to get gamers on services, which is why Microsoft keeps promoting all this so heavily. Sony barely even wants to talk about it, why? Because its a loser to a degree.
Theres a confound to this logic I dont think we are freely admitting here. Netflix began producing it's own shows, a lot of them. I believe this was the greatest cause of their debt. I also dont know if you can buy the movies from Netflix after you see it on their service, while all games are purchasable on xbox if gamepass expires.Netflix makes money buy has been racking up debt as it does and subscription growth is what they use as capital to finance that debt. "Impressive percentage of overall revenues" might just mean that overall revenues are low. Certainly, the subscription revenues adds predictability, but the more people use the service the fewer games they buy. Which mean lower overall revenues and less money for publishers and developers.
You have to go into the store i think to find PS now so that can't help, where as Xbox it's hard to miss it as its in the main menu as you scroll across. I always forget about it on PS4 as iv'e been meaning to have a blast on the free trial.It's just a different pricing structure and one that at some levels may be less attractive to users. I know I would have a problem subscribing a full year for 99.99 when theres no perks like day 1 exclusives, such as gamepass has. To be fair, I dont know what Sony has on offer simply because the pricing serves as a deterrent. Game pass pricing is a much easier pill to swallow financially even if it does end up being more for the full year at $120 paying 10 bucks a month with the ability to cancel at any time.
I'd argue that Sony just isn't doing it right. I'd also predict that if and when Microsoft does reveal its numbers Sony will follow suit, which now that I think about it, would be a good reason not to share that information. As long as they quietly make that money, the competition doesnt see an incentive to change their ways.
It's just a different pricing structure and one that at some levels may be less attractive to users. I know I would have a problem subscribing a full year for 99.99 when theres no perks like day 1 exclusives, such as gamepass has. To be fair, I dont know what Sony has on offer simply because the pricing serves as a deterrent. Game pass pricing is a much easier pill to swallow financially even if it does end up being more for the full year at $120 paying 10 bucks a month with the ability to cancel at any time.
I'd argue that Sony just isn't doing it right. I'd also predict that if and when Microsoft does reveal its numbers Sony will follow suit, which now that I think about it, would be a good reason not to share that information. As long as they quietly make that money, the competition doesnt see an incentive to change their ways.
Who is coming up with all these rumors, who are these "sources", that shall not be named....... I thought we had already accepted that MS don't give numbers for anything anymore. So why are we trying to extrapolate numbers from a void?
So many sources, so little time. These sources have as much validity as Colin Moriarty does on the game industry....... The slippery slope that is not revealing numbers, is that anybody can get a source "straight from the ass"..... Like; My sources say Gamepass is at 10 million users, Gamepass is a beast with 1 billion+ in revenue, let that sink in, why don't you? ... Xbox is at 80 million units, Live subs are at 70 million. In essence, people can say what they want and source said things from any dark orifice and argue that the burden is on you to prove otherwise, it's hilarious stuff tbh.....
So, basically what you are saying is you want all the games you want to play for $6 a month or less?
Hasty Generalization, who said anything about "all"?
Nobody is going to give you that and Microsoft doesn't give you that, accept to try and get you to subscribe.
What Microsoft currently supplies in terms of games already warrants the full price...I subscribe due to this and to support the idea of them continuously improving the service in the future.
You are saying Sony isn't doing it right, well, you haven't offered how they are going to make more money when they are basically giving it away right now.
All Sony has to do is add the same value and adopt a less committal subscription pricing. They already have the install base. There's is a crap ton of money to make and while they've taken babysteps to appear closer to gamepass, they really need to go full on.
Microsoft isn't going to show numbers because they suck, they don't even give Gold numbers for years.
Your bias is becoming more apparent with every word you say. You should give credit where credit is due. Being beholden to Sony of Microsoft doesn't serve any purpose. You're literally assuming that without any information that the results must be bad. If that's not bias, I don't know what is.
People don't sell something for $1 if they can really get $10 for it which means Microsoft has no customers, they same reason Sony keeps giving away free weeks of Now and Vue, no customers.
Incorrect. Wow dude...you assume because Sony does bad, that automatically Microsoft has to be doing bad in this aspect. That's...just...amazing that you feel this way. You aren't considering any other factors you essentially equalize PSNow when Gamepass when they are still very different programs in terms of pricing and what they offer.
All it is, is a rental program, I don't see anything wrong with it per se, but big money maker, not really.... all they trying to do is to get consumers to pay more for rental, reduce ownership.... and charge more eventually.
Pardon me if I disrupt your paragraph structure for the purposes of my individual replies.
"All Sony has to do is add the same value and adopt a less committal subscription pricing. They already have the install base. There's is a crap ton of money to make and while they've taken babysteps to appear closer to gamepass, they really need to go full on."
This is all without form, what do you want, how much are you willing to pay?
As far as I can tell this is better than Game Pass, its cheaper with more much more games and includes streaming and online play... and nobody cares. You're not going to get all the big exclusive day 1 for $8 a month, they'll have to charge 100s of dollars. My guess, Sony has many more rental customers than Microsoft, but we don't know and who cares... its simply a rental program. Its like saying who is making more money GameFly or Redbox.... so what. You are assuming Microsoft's Game Pass is doing well.... my assumption is based on sound business... you don't give away $10 of services for $1 unless you have no choice. You assumption is based on false numbers.
The only way any of this works is if they can extract more money from the dumb gamers, not less.
I'm not assuming they are doing well. I'm presenting what was said and literally say in the OP "IF THIS IS EVEN CLOSE TO ACCURATE". What I'm saying is that we can't assume either way, but can debate based on facts that we actually have. Arguments can be made on both sides...the problem is that you aren't using any of the arguments...you're just flat out saying Microsoft sucks and that why game pass can't be successful.
That is utterly ridiculous logic.