Spyxos
Gold Member
Have you played this game? It often has elements from different worlds that are quickly changed. The only game I can think of that does anything like this but in slowly is the Medium.
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Will R&C: Rift Apart PC need a SSD to run? PLACE YOUR BETS
Guilty_AI
Member
I did put some conditions in the op, among them the transition loading time, so i must take that into account.The poll only asked if it would run on an HDD
It may take 2 minutes to transition between levels but it will run on one
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I didn't read the terms and conditions as I never do, I just voted
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
First the spiderman downgrade, now this? Is insomniac aiming to be the most dishonest studio over at Sony?
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
yes with massive loadings you mean.
01011001
Banned
I have the Platinum yes.
and I see not a single thing in the game that wouldn't work kn an HDD and that hasn't been done in some form before.
the portal jumps only happen during scripted setpieces, giving opportunity to hand tailor when stuff gets loaded, what gets loaded etc.
and the destroyed planet where you smack the crystals to switch back and forth are a similar mechanic as in Titanfall 2's time travel mission.
the difference is that in Ratchet the switches can only occur at predetermined places, giving the devs the opportunity to make sure the assets that need to be loaded are both fast to load and maybe even pre-loading while you approach the crystal.
and even those crystals have lile a second of fade out/in to make sure everything can be loaded in time.
Titanfall 2's level does an instant switch, which it has to because you actually have to parcour through spots while switching back and forth.
and switching in TF2 is possible at any time.
the difference between the 2 versions in TF2 is smaller than in Ratchet, I give you that, but like I said it's also instantly done and possible at any time, which is a bit mire tricky
01011001
Banned
I mean, we will see
asdasdasdbb
Member
Well, yeah... I imagine it's also like recent games where it will display the LOD texture while the real one loads. If that takes forever (or you don't have the VRAM), it's gonna look like a blurfest.
Nixxes/Insomniac: HDD is just ok for "720p, Very Low Settings"
Usual Suspects: "Told you, you don't need a PS5 or SSD to run it!"
Pretty much.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I knew they were full of shit when they said you needed a PS5 SSD. I voted the HDD choice when the poll was created.
Crappier compatible PC SSDs worked when DF tested it. And someone on gaf said a while back that a YouTube or website tested an even worse SSD than DF’s and it still worked.
Crappier compatible PC SSDs worked when DF tested it. And someone on gaf said a while back that a YouTube or website tested an even worse SSD than DF’s and it still worked.
winjer
Gold Member
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC Specs Are Out - First DirectStorage 1.2 Game with GPU Decompression, No SSD Req
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC specs are out. This is the first DirectStorage 1.2 game with GPU decompression, but it doesn't require SSD.
wccftech.com
Even an HDD can benefit a lot from Direct Storage 1.2
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Insomniac themselves tested different SSD's and they also told that R&C wasn't developed based on final specs or was hitting the max of the SSD potential.
Learn to understand the facts instead of going "blaaa blaa full of shit". Your not getting the same performance or game at the lowest settings. And still the lowest recommends SSD.
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Why are you so angry LOL!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I’m not.
Just laughing at how an archaic PC HDD can run the game the whole time. Lol
That’s marketing for ya.
Portugeezer
Member
I believe I remember Insomniac also suggesting that some of the cutscene "swipe" transitions were helped by the SSD, I wonder how it will turn out on a HDD.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
My very first PC can run it. Pretty cool.
Senua
Member
You're boring now m8, eat your crow and move onNixxes/Insomniac: HDD is just ok for "720p, Very Low Settings"
Usual Suspects: "Told you, you don't need a PS5 or SSD to run it!"
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
PCMASTER RACE..They can't stand when console have tech is better then their shitty pc or not available YET on PC. I don't know but some here are searching for a win lol
What are they gonna do, install this HDD in their PC now and play the whole damn game at the lowest settings, just so they have a argument? Lol good luck playing this at the lowest settings with HDD.
You haven't even seen it running you fool.
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Mr Moose
Member
It just moved a character from a lower part to a higher part of the map and then back, it didn't load in new "worlds".
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
DirectStorage to the rescue.
DirectStorage 1.2 with GPU decompression being enacted.
Quotes from Nixxes:
To ensure a smooth dimension-hopping experience, our team implemented DirectStorage 1.2 in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC, including GPU decompression.
Richard van der Laan, Senior Lead Programmer at Nixxes Software, explains:
\u201cTo enable quick loading and instant transition between dimensions, the game needs to be able to load assets quickly. DirectStorage ensures quick loading times and GPU decompression is used at high graphics settings to stream assets in the background while playing. Traditionally, this decompression is handled by the CPU, but at a certain point there is an advantage to letting the GPU handle this, as this enables a higher bandwidth for streaming assets from storage to the graphics card. We use this to quickly load high-quality textures and environments with a high level of detail.\u201d
Principal Programmer Alex Bartholomeus:
\u201cFor Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC we added adaptive streaming based on live measurement of the available hardware bandwidth. This allows us to tailor the texture streaming strategy for the best possible texture streaming on any configuration. With DirectStorage, the use of a fast NVMe SSD and GPU decompression, this results in very responsive texture streaming even at the highest settings.\u201d
DirectStorage is developed to fully utilize the speed of fast PCIe NVMe SSDs, but the technology is also compatible with SATA SSDs and even traditional hard disk drives. This means Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC can use the same technology for loading data, regardless of the storage device in your system.
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Tommi84
Member
that is not true. There's this giant planet that get's destroyed and you can hammer a crystal to go back and forth between 'broken' and 'ok' planet.
Though I agree, the game is most likely playable on HDD with not many major hiccups
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
DirectStorage to the rescue.
DirectStorage 1.2 with GPU decompression being enacted.
Quotes from Nixxes:
To ensure a smooth dimension-hopping experience, our team implemented DirectStorage 1.2 in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC, including GPU decompression.
Richard van der Laan, Senior Lead Programmer at Nixxes Software, explains:
\u201cTo enable quick loading and instant transition between dimensions, the game needs to be able to load assets quickly. DirectStorage ensures quick loading times and GPU decompression is used at high graphics settings to stream assets in the background while playing. Traditionally, this decompression is handled by the CPU, but at a certain point there is an advantage to letting the GPU handle this, as this enables a higher bandwidth for streaming assets from storage to the graphics card. We use this to quickly load high-quality textures and environments with a high level of detail.\u201d
Principal Programmer Alex Bartholomeus:
\u201cFor Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC we added adaptive streaming based on live measurement of the available hardware bandwidth. This allows us to tailor the texture streaming strategy for the best possible texture streaming on any configuration. With DirectStorage, the use of a fast NVMe SSD and GPU decompression, this results in very responsive texture streaming even at the highest settings.\u201d
DirectStorage is developed to fully utilize the speed of fast PCIe NVMe SSDs, but the technology is also compatible with SATA SSDs and even traditional hard disk drives. This means Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC can use the same technology for loading data, regardless of the storage device in your system.
Doesn't tell anything how it perform Some here think HDD will performance the same as the fastest SSD.
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Holammer
Member
Everything is in memory already, whenever it shifts the game just portals/teleports the player around the various level chunks. It's not loading the new stuff into memory instantly on demand as people believe. It's all clever design & streaming.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
PC enthusiast are Tone deaf. In their tiny minds, they never heard the word PS4 and in their mind, it was always a PS5 vs PC comparison for Insomniac.
As a PC gamer and PS gamer, im getting pretty tired about this group.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
At the lowest settings possible and you're acting like this is an "I told you so" moment. lol
ChiefDada
Gold Member
You're right, I should've predicted how disingenuous some of you clowns can be.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Name them?
Cuz this thread has purely about whether the min-spec would be an SSD or an HDD.
With DirectStorage and GPU decomp that 5400RPM isnt doing the heavy lifting, your GPU is.
Senua
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Going by the OP’s criteria, as long as the game runs off an HDD with no noticeably bad loading and stuttering during portal transitions that’s good enough.
Visual quality and settings aren’t part of the poll.
Visual quality and settings aren’t part of the poll.
AGRacing
Member
When you're at the absolute lowest settings at a low resolution... of course you can just cram everything you need into RAM ahead. When you're dealing with assets meant for a 4K screen or high/epic settings that changes the equation a bit. Most games that show you the difference in memory between low res and high textures alone can be huge.
Also the PS5 has 16GB ram TOTAL. My PC has 32GB of system memory and 24GB of VRAM. Many here would have at least 16GB ram and 8GB vram. You have a lot more room to preload assets there... so of course part of the reason the PS5 could benefit so much from a very fast SSD is because of the limited RAM pool vs a high end PC.
What we should be REALLY interested in is what ssd / hdd is required on a PC with the PS5 graphics settings and resolution... and can that requirement be changed with more RAM?
Also the PS5 has 16GB ram TOTAL. My PC has 32GB of system memory and 24GB of VRAM. Many here would have at least 16GB ram and 8GB vram. You have a lot more room to preload assets there... so of course part of the reason the PS5 could benefit so much from a very fast SSD is because of the limited RAM pool vs a high end PC.
What we should be REALLY interested in is what ssd / hdd is required on a PC with the PS5 graphics settings and resolution... and can that requirement be changed with more RAM?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
At some point someone will test the PC game at the lowest min specs which is 8gb system ram and a GTX 960 gpu which whatever extra ram those cards have.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What the hell does "still worked" even mean? Are yall trying to be dishonest or what?
twilo99
Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm starting to hate the PC enthusiast crowd. Or maybe most of them are really anti-Playstation. Either way, they are getting really annoying.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Most of them are Xbox or semi-xbox fans = Windows. They hate all tech on console, but it's good when PC.
Why are they cheering for RTX IO or DirectStorage, but hating on PS5's I/O subsystem?
Strange isn't it?
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Senua
Member
This is incredible, please keep going
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Senua
Member
You and your ilk are highly entertaining, but I do wonder about your mental health, this shit aint normal for an adult bro! Carry on thoughWe're talking about you and those other...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It means much slower SSDs than PS5’s 5.5 gb/s speed.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
I think it’s more a response to the people saying “you need a $3,000 PC with at least 16GB of VRAM to match based PS5 secret sauce programmed to the metal!” but that’s just me
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Game will run on PC with an HDD and min specs of 8gb ram, plus a GTX 960 which is 2gb. So 10gb total ram.I think it’s more a response to the people saying “you need a $3,000 PC with at least 16GB of VRAM to match based PS5 secret sauce programmed to the metal!” but that’s just me
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Horseganador
Member
Sony lies about the SSD because you can use a mechanical HDD to play at 720p, 30 frames in very low xDD, to play in a minimally decent way you will need an SSD of course.
Mr Moose
Member
How well will it run (including the world shifting)? And what will it look like at the lowest settings? I hope someone tests with these exact cards/CPUs.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
We’ll all have to wait and see. Graphics and res will for sure be dumbed down as stated in the chart.
Hey you never know, maybe portals will be a 1 minute loading screen messing the game up as gamers stare at a loading bar. But that defeats the purpose of the game zooming in and out of portals. So I highly doubt the portal transitions will be noticeable negatively impactful at all.
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