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Will Jim Ryan Get Sacked?

Does Jim Ryan Deserve To Be Sacked?


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Someone should point out that Roe v. Wade is a precedent in US law only. BUT Abortion is a contentious, divisive, issue pretty much everywhere.

What annoys the piss out of me is that not only are certain knuckleheads operating under a simplistic "good" versus "evil" dichotomy, but they are acting like people are expected to weigh in on a matter of American jurisprudence regardless of where they actually work and reside along US partisan lines!
 
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Larlight

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They have no reason to unless this email somehow starts the downfall of Playstation (LOL). Which in that case, will be no. The only place this shit ever matters to a certain degree is twitter and REEEEEEEEsetera. 🤣
 
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FingerBang

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Yep! Whats alarming to me however is that this email came out today? And also ‘leaked’ to jason a known hit piece writer all in the same day… like i have so many questions for the person who leaked said email.

For starters what in your mind made you think leaking an internal email was the right choice thats not leaning toward either side of the fence to a hit piece writer without first going thru the proper channels such as HR or other means if you truely felt it was in poor taste… seems very sus tbh. Normally things get leaked to a media outlet after all other options have or are close to be exhausted.
They think of themselves as activists fighting the good war. They know that this is going to put pressure on Jimbo, so they went directly to the guy who knows what his audience wants. I understand the logic. What would you get going to HR? The work for him, they couldn't fire him or anything.

What exactly are some people upset about? Is it specifically the letter's neutral stance on abortion (I hope not) or the fact that he tact on levity to an email that discusses such a sensitive and divisive subject by discussing his pets and their birthdays?

Would be nice to have additional context because on surface level this all seems weird. For example, were there workplace conflicts between Sony employees stemming from recent Supreme Court abortion news or did Jim blast this email out of the blue?
Highly likely that the neutral stance is the reason. They want every company to write on social media whatever the message is. It's becoming the norm. In many tech companies there's a few activists that make a ton of noise. It's highly likely the demanded the company to write about it on social media. Companies are having more and more troubles dealing with those activists, it's a pretty common thing. I don't know exactly what is going on at PlayStation, but I'm sure we'll find out soon.
 

Reallink

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Eh, sperm could be claimed as living as well but with the repercussions we all know that’d never happen.

The analog of sperm would be the unfertilized egg, which isn't an issue for anyone. The ethical and philosophical arguments start with conception/fertilization and at what point it becomes a person. The vast majority of people don't even care about the fertilized egg (this is where "most people support abortion" originates), but the waters are obviously murkier when it begins to take on mammalian/humanoid form. "Most people" definitely do not support late term abortions if they know what it actually refers to (literal fully formed infants).
 
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IntentionalPun

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I don't know how you are able to tell what Chinese people think when they live under such an oppressively government that saw abortion as a way to control the population growth.

And what science did you use to make the claim that most people don't support abortion? Are you the Chinese mind reader who calculated that percentage somehow when you made the bold claim that most people don't support abortion?

I used the fact that most people live in countries where it's legal.. and things like.. polls of major population areas... to come up with my claim that "most people support abortion." Also most people are women.. and while not all women support abortion, it's pretty lopsided there in general. Just basic math really.

You used?
 
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And what science did you use to make the claim that most people don't support abortion? Are you the Chinese mind reader who calculated that percentage somehow when you made the bold claim that most people don't support abortion.

I used the fact that most people live in countries where it's legal.. and things like.. polls of major population areas.

You used?
Ok man, good for you, take the win, I'll not go look for counter-points if you are saying you have the numbers I'll take your word for it.

This whole pro-abortion talk makes me sad, to think people could promote such horrible things because it's what is most convenient, it's truly disheartening. I rather not talk about it anymore.
 
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ShaquilleOatmeal

Neo Member
No, he's not getting sacked. What a weird ass email that didn't warrant being sent in the first place, but still.

That other forum would have you believe this is a scorched earth scenario though, haha.
 
Honestly...I think Jim Ryan shouldn't really talk much. Has there ever been an interview without some weird quote from him? He's a great business guy but my god he's terrible at PR
 
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tmlDan

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Americans are so annoying, they think everything revolves around them.

PlayStation is a global corporation, there are other cultures, religions, ideologies in other places across the globe that don't abide to the ridiculous American contrarian attitude.

This is the proper stance on a global corporation, Bungie is American, they can say what they want because they are located in one location.

The only weird part, which a lot of CEO's I've had have done, is making a weird statement about your cat after a serious issue was discussed - sometimes people are just weird but I shrug it off.
 

Varteras

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I think the argument is that some things aren't up for debate. Like saying you should respect differences of opinion on slavery, Russia / Ukraine or interracial marriage.

First time the Supreme Court has lessened peoples rights instead of expand it. The Handmaid Tale, turning women into forced incubators.

I think its "civil," but I can understand why people are not thrilled about his ststatements. To comment on an issue this divisive with stories of his pets just kind of comes across as totally callous and moronic.
That's just it. It IS divisive and IS being debated. There is not some widespread general consensus that abortion is an open and shut case. It is not above anything. There are people who believe it is wrong to end a human life prematurely and those who believe no matter what a woman should be able to choose. For whatever their reasons are. There are Americans who are fine with the Supreme Court "legislating from the bench" and those who feel it is a violation of their Constitutional authority. Ryan is more or less telling people to chill out and conduct yourselves professionally. Unfortunately the way he did it was odd.
 
Since when do we expect corporations to pick a side in controversial, hot button political issues?

If you work for a game company, your mission as an employee should be to make some kickass games. Not to use your company’s influence to effect social change on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with your company’s business.

“Please be respectful of those who disagree with you on the most controversial issue of the last 50 years” is a very reasonable thing for a CEO to say. I would be disappointed if his comment was anything but that.
 
WE DO NOT LIVE IN AN ORWELIAN SOCIETY.

People are ALLOWED to be neutral. Different opinions are ALLOWED.

Canceling Jim Ryan for literally stating the obvious is full on Orwellian bullshit.

Fuck the far left for trying to bring a version of fascism into reality. I'm sick of it.
 
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That's just it. It IS divisive and IS being debated. There is not some widespread general consensus that abortion is an open and shut case. It is not above anything. There are people who believe it is wrong to end a human life prematurely and those who believe no matter what a woman should be able to choose. For whatever their reasons are. There are Americans who are fine with the Supreme Court "legislating from the bench" and those who feel it is a violation of their Constitutional authority. Ryan is more or less telling people to chill out and conduct yourselves professionally. Unfortunately the way he did it was odd.
72% of the country are pro choice. Part of the extreme statements and anger are the result of a system that is breaking and no longer functioning as a democracy. Congress is fucked and what's happening is not a debate, but a power grab from a religious minority of the country.
 

Esca

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That email made me lol real hard, it's been a long time since I've laughed.
I love how he just goes on about pets.

The rest of what he said i didn't see why problems with. Just wants everyone to respect each other's opinion. Him being neutral and not expressing his own choice is better for the employees since no side is taken
 
I don't care for Jim Ryan at all, in fact I think he sucks, but I'm not out to get him sacked for a harmless email that the REE fascists will say makes him a nazi.

It almost makes me want to defend him. Almost.
 

Belthazar

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PlayStation never made so much money so... I don't see why he should leave. Basically he's being canceled for telling me people to be civil so, it'll last like less than a week.
 

Varteras

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72% of the country are pro choice. Part of the extreme statements and anger are the result of a system that is breaking and no longer functioning as a democracy. Congress is fucked and what's happening is not a debate, but a power grab from a religious minority of the country.
I'm Pro-Choice as well but clearly the debate rages on. I'm not so sure about "72%" being Pro-Choice because in my own personal experience the number of people I've met on the topic are pretty close to 50/50 on the issue. Fact remains, it is being debated and people have their reasons. The biggest argument I see right now is that the Supreme Court overstepped its authority. Which, if it did, means it must either be reverted, Roe v Wade codified into law prior, or an amendment made to the Constitution that gives the court the authority to do what it did. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, there are enough people across the country to make this an issue. It also doesn't matter how you feel, when you're at work you are expected to conduct yourself in a professional manner.
 

FingerBang

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I don't know how you are able to tell what Chinese people think when they live under such an oppressively government that saw abortion as a way to control the population growth.

Abortion when the sex was consensual and for non-medical reasons just seems like a vile way to deal with the "problem" regardless if it's technically murder or not. Maybe I'm too old fashioned, doesn't make sense to me to be surprised you are pregnant after you had sex.
When exactly does abortion become murder? A fertilized egg is a baby? What's wrong with an abortion of a mass of cells that have no heart, hands, feet? What if it has them, but has no brain?

Why banning ALL abortions instead of finding a reasonable time? Cause the problem is some people wanting to ban all kind of abortions because baby Jesus and children are angels, even though once they're born the same people don't give a shit about their shitty life conditions.

I think the argument is that some things aren't up for debate. Like saying you should respect differences of opinion on slavery, Russia / Ukraine or interracial marriage.

First time the Supreme Court has lessened peoples rights instead of expand it. The Handmaid Tale, turning women into forced incubators.

I think its "civil," but I can understand why people are not thrilled about his ststatements. To comment on an issue this divisive with stories of his pets just kind of comes across as totally callous and moronic.
They are though. At one point slavery wasn't up for debate. Who decides?
And people have still the right to be against abortions. That doesn't mean they should be illegal. 2 different things.

I hate this "Handmaid Tale" hyperbole on the left. No one is forcing women to get pregnant, there's a ton of contraceptives methods to be use to avoid that. I don't get how in the US this is the biggest thing ever suddenly.

Yes, they should be safe and illegal, but let's not act like striking Roe vs Wade will change much of the current situation. Blue states will give you an abortion every 2 doritos bags, red states will just make it officially impossible instead of practically.

The question will be, why the fuck wasn't it officially law? Why didn't democrats try to make it into a law when they could? I'd be really pissed at them instead than Jimbo.
 

kikkis

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72% of the country are pro choice. Part of the extreme statements and anger are the result of a system that is breaking and no longer functioning as a democracy. Congress is fucked and what's happening is not a debate, but a power grab from a religious minority of the country.
I don't think country having majority on its side is particularly compelling argument from ethics/morality point of view. I am sure segregation and eye for an eye policies used to be majority positions too.
 

mortal

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Honestly...I think Jim Ryan shouldn't really talk much. Has there ever been an interview without some weird quote from him? He's a great business guy but my god he's terrible at PR
He can't win. If he doesn't say anything, people will chastise. If he speaks on anything people will chastise him...
 
Please without dwelling on the topic of his email, and discussing Jim Ryan performance as the SIE CEO and where he is taking PlayStation as a brand. Do you think he deserves to get sacked and get replaced with a younger more inline with the times CEO?

Sacked in the morning ?

Based on the fact that XBOX is dead this year Ragnarök launches and makes a killing along with WB Games (Hogwarts Legacy/Arkham Knights).

Followed by a giant bag of money for Ryan.
 
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Varteras

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He can't win. If he doesn't say anything, people will chastise. If he speaks on anything people will chastise him...
He just really needs to look over his own work first or ask someone to be his editor before publishing anything. You can't save him from what he says in the moment but something like this could have been avoided if he would have just asked someone to look it over.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Im a very anti-woke Liberal who hates cancel culture.

Having said that, I hate JJim Ryan so much I'd be totally willing to use wokeness as a means to get him replaced.

Im kidding. I don't hate him that much, but I don't think he is doing all that much. He is being too passive. QUite frankly, he is a suit/bean counter
 

JLB

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It's not about being wrong or right. It's about failing to read the room. He's simply out of touch with how things work nowadays. How is it possible he wrote all that and it didn't occur to him "yeah this won't go down well"?

Have you read the email? I dont think is public, right?
For me It sounds like a very usual CEO email for employees. I have seen tons of CEO emails that include statements like this, and then more personal stuff like: "oh, btw going to be on SF next week, lets organize something".
Of course, if someone is as dumb as that Schererir boy you can omit context and make it sound bad.
 
It's not about being wrong or right. It's about failing to read the room. He's simply out of touch with how things work nowadays. How is it possible he wrote all that and it didn't occur to him "yeah this won't go down well"?
Exactly. He didn’t say anything wrong imo, but he should know his audience by this point and that this would blow up with the danger hair mob. C’mon now, Jim.
 

Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
Is it so hard to just keep your mouth shut about these types of topics? Company email? This guy is stupid.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Have you read the email? I dont think is public, right?
For me It sounds like a very usual CEO email for employees. I have seen tons of CEO emails that include statements like this, and then more personal stuff like: "oh, btw going to be on SF next week, lets organize something".
Of course, if someone is as dumb as that Schererir boy you can omit context and make it sound bad.

Exactly. This was him jumping in front of what could've blown up into a Disney-style disaster for Sony and telling his employees to cut it out and not piss off a portion of their player base.
 

kingfey

Banned
People already don't know who Jim Ryan is.

Internally they could use it as an opportunity to replace him, you never know, he is not the face of PlayStation and he doesn't try to be.

The way Shawn Layden left suggests there is some power struggle within Sony.
Power struggle for Sony at this stage is bad for them.
Most companies get in to a bad period, when there is a power struggle. Removing Jim right now, might bring negative impact for PS division.

Hate the guy as much as you want to. But he made sure to lockdown FF to PS, and managed to snag 2 xbox 1st party games as timed exclusives.

He is a business man. This what Sony needs, instead of following gamers.

EA/ubisoft/Take2 makes money from these guys nonstop, with minimal game support.
 

kikkis

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When exactly does abortion become murder? A fertilized egg is a baby? What's wrong with an abortion of a mass of cells that have no heart, hands, feet? What if it has them, but has no brain?

Why banning ALL abortions instead of finding a reasonable time? Cause the problem is some people wanting to ban all kind of abortions because baby Jesus and children are angels, even though once they're born the same people don't give a shit about their shitty life conditions.
Personally I don't think most common arguments in favor of abortions are compelling. Womans body, womens choice is not good because after fertilization its no longer your body you are aborting. Mass of cells is not good either because neither you or me are nothing but bigger masses of cells. That mass of cells would have become "complete" human if not aborted, therefore supporting fact that fertilized egg is when life begins. In my opinion most compelling argument in favor of abortion, is the fact that most childs probably don't want to be unwanted. But its slippery slope as well. Some even say that 3 year olds should be aborted since they have no memory of being under 3, and they say nobody wants to be unwanted kid, if parent has remorse about having kid.
 
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