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Which Soulsborne has the smoothest combat?
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Danjin44
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Sure in Sekiro it doesn't have same sense of exploration like Elden Ring or even Bloodborne but if we are talking about combat for me its Sekiro. in all Souls games I always play as pure melee fighter and to me Sekiro has most smooth and fun melee combat.
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Lucifers Beard
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Firstly, what the hell does ‘smoothest combat’ even mean? If we’re talking technical smoothness then BB is a frametime nightmare so it’s not smooth at all.
If we’re talking ‘best’ combat, I’ve played all of these games and it’s Elden Ring for me without a doubt. It mixes magic and physical combat really well and has definitely been the most fun to play, despite enjoying all of the games they’ve made.
I’m not sure why everyone gets so giddy for BB, it’s a really good game but I don’t get why it’s so beloved and held above all others.
If we’re talking ‘best’ combat, I’ve played all of these games and it’s Elden Ring for me without a doubt. It mixes magic and physical combat really well and has definitely been the most fun to play, despite enjoying all of the games they’ve made.
I’m not sure why everyone gets so giddy for BB, it’s a really good game but I don’t get why it’s so beloved and held above all others.
Dr_Salt
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This is on all versions of the game. I am playing on PC and I noticed it day 1. Even asked my friend on launch day if he also felt something weird with the rolls.
Bernd Lauert
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Just an fyi, the roll only happens once you release the button. The button press alone does nothing.
Well yeah cause soulsbourne is a dumb name.
It's clearly a souls like. Which are basically difficult boss rush games. It's kinda silly to say Sekiro doesnt count. Just like when From makes their next one and it has slightly different mechanics but will still be a boss rush game it will still count
Dr_Salt
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It was not like this in past souls games. Idk if its done on purpose to nerf rolls or its just flat out broken.
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Bernd Lauert
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Idk about other games (can't remember) but Dark Souls 3 definitely worked the same way.
Dr_Salt
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There is a very noticeable input delay in this game. You can search around and you will find several people complaining about it.
Bernd Lauert
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Huh, interesting.
.Pennywise
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People putting anything over Sekiro are acting on pure ignorance and/or fanatism
Punished Miku
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I'm shocked.
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Drunkdadbr
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This is so great in game that makes rolling almost the only way to dodge damage, yet punishes you for falling for the bosse's delay attacks and punishes you for not pressing the button early enough to compensate the horrendous lag.
10/10, suck it up and smile.
Sekiro is far from perfect. Still has that shitty command buffer, input reading etc. BUT its way more responsive, fast, mobile... Not only feel way more fair, it's pretty intense and exhilarating like nothing else this past gen.
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mansoor1980
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bloodborne is winning
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
DS1 is still a good game yeah. Just keep in mind it plays a little more stiffly and there’s no open world. Rather its an interconnected set of levels.
rofif
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Elden ring for sure with jumping and so on.
Dark souls 1 is slow and deliberate but no any directional movement
Dark souls 2 is faster and less boaty but the controls are snapping to 8 directions
Dark Souls 3 is peak ds controls. No snapping, good rolling
Bloodborne is weird since there is no rolling with lock on
Sekiro is fast
Elden ring is ds3 + sekiro
Dark souls 1 is slow and deliberate but no any directional movement
Dark souls 2 is faster and less boaty but the controls are snapping to 8 directions
Dark Souls 3 is peak ds controls. No snapping, good rolling
Bloodborne is weird since there is no rolling with lock on
Sekiro is fast
Elden ring is ds3 + sekiro
TintoConCasera
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It's Sekiro, best combat they've ever done.
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rofif
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TheTurboFD
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Sekiro and DS3 are the best in smoothness no questions asked. Idk how anyone can choose bloodborne over the rest in smoothness with the jank 30 and below FPS as well as the frame pacing issue.
Swift_Star
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this is so, so annoying.
YukiOnna
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Sekiro is the only answer. I'm loving Elden Ring, but Sekiro isn't going to be matched here even with the several additions from that game.
They could add it to that level, but it would require an actual skill check from the general audience. They aren't the same genre though so I guess it isn't fair to compare.
They could add it to that level, but it would require an actual skill check from the general audience. They aren't the same genre though so I guess it isn't fair to compare.
Dr_Salt
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I'm playing on a 2K 144hz monitor on high. I have a 3070ti, 32gb ram and i710700 so I have no problem hitting the 60fps cap. I still feel the input lag compared to DS3. Its so bad it has forced me to use a shield when I never used them in souls games before.
rofif
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VRR should force monitor to 60fps and there should be no real lag. Strange.
I finished on ps5 and it played fine but I didn't measure anything
01011001
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that is not input lag, this is a deliberate animation delay all souls games have. it's part of the design/balancing.
every other action doesn't have this. try for example to block or do a fast stick move to the side, the game will instantly react to that.
the roll in souls games is delayed on purpose and has it's very own and very specific timing you need to get used to and master. after you are used to it it feels great.
Souls boss fights are very rhythm based, in fact the Dancer in DS3 is often seen as a very hard boss because it is one of 3 bosses in DS3 that works in a 3/4 time signature and not a 4/4 time like all the other bosses, which got people really tripped up with their dodge timings
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Dr_Salt
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Like I said I have played and beat DS3. The roll does not feel the same. I am in no way a souls pro but I did beat the Dancer on my first try and I beat Gael which is also a dodge heavy boss fight on my second try. I had 0 issues with how the roll works in DS3.
01011001
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the roll in EVERY souls game is delayed like this. I know this, this is a fact you can easily check
SeraphJan
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Nioh 2 > Nioh 1 > Sekiro > Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Rest
Nioh games, needless to say, Team Ninja knows their shit
Sekiro, Very smooth in terms of everything
Bloodborne, Dodge speed and recovery is fast
Demon's Souls, weapon typically have faster attack speed compare to later games, the best example is Halberd
Nioh games, needless to say, Team Ninja knows their shit
Sekiro, Very smooth in terms of everything
Bloodborne, Dodge speed and recovery is fast
Demon's Souls, weapon typically have faster attack speed compare to later games, the best example is Halberd
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Dr_Salt
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Nah bro, the roll in this game has input lag not present in the others. Its not just me there are alot of people that have also noticed it. Just go to the elden ring subreddit and search for input lag and you will find countless threads talking about it. Like I said idk if its done on purpose or not, for all that I know From might have done this to make people rely less on rolling.
01011001
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there are people on the subreddit because they are new to the series as Elden Ring sells like crazy and are reporting on this, if you are such an expert you most likely own DS3 and can simply test this. maybe pull out your phone and film both button presses, one in ER one in DS3 and we will see
edit: just for reference back with DS3 on the steam forums
Roll delay? :: DARK SOULS™ III General Discussions
Anyone else notice that there is a slight delay when you roll? About 1/3 of a second for me, its especailly annoying since it makes dodging attacks trickier. Did anyone else notice something like this? Also, it only happens for rolling or backstepping, never for attacking or casting
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01011001
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to hammer it home, here a guy on PC (lowest latency of all versions) shocasing the roll with a button overlay so you can clearly see the delay
and again, this is in EVERY Dark Souls
the reason this exists is because HOLDING the dodge button = sprint, meaning that the game can not start a roll as soon as you press the button. it first has to make sure you aren't holding down the button
the fastest he rolls in this video is 7 frames, that is when he presses and releases really fast, that means 7 x 33ms (it is a 30fps video) so ~231ms of latency for a normal roll a normal player does.
meanwhile his camera movement reacts within 1 to 2 frames of him moving his stick on the overlay. that is 33 to 66ms of delay (which is really fast for a 60fps game)
edit cuz wrong math before
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kyliethicc
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Knack 2 baby
NeverYouMind
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The low cost of rapid movement, instant follow up attack after dash, and the fully charged attack usually having extra range, armor properties, high damage modifier, and visual/audio indicator are all very satisfying. Part of it has to do with the low poise of most enemies as tanks are boring to fight but very frequent in every other title. The gun parry is probably the easiest of any game. Visceral attacks are sadly not as satisfying as a backstab or riposte in the other titles.
P.S. Sekiro just has the most satisfying retreats.
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mansoor1980
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whos the blonde babe?
Dr_Salt
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Decontamination Silo
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Can't fathom how anyone picked 25fps Bloodborne. We won't know until we get a proper version. I bought it to play on my daughters PS4 and couldn't get past the frame rate. And I'm an absolute FROM fanboy extraordinaire. Sekiro is the answer. Still the only FROM game that I can use the parry in.
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kyliethicc
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lol .. bruh
01011001
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that is like 1 frame difference, a real test would be on PC with overlay for exact timing as it activates once you let go not once you press
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