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[Monocle]

Grow up, there should still be basic respect.

I don't condone the hostility and I certainly wouldn't have participated in it if I'd been in that crowd, but I sure do understand it. On one side you've got Marvel knocking it out of the park with giant team movies like Civil War and little offbeat pictures like Ant Man. On the other side you've got DC with its endless bedshitting, led by the guy who managed to bork Batman vs Superman of all things.

Batman vs Superman. I mean, damn.

So they really made the relationship between Joker and Harley not abusive?

Actual spoilers:

Spoiler

Yes. Joker hops into a vat of chemicals to save the woman he apparently loves in spite of himself, and Harley's deepest desire, as revealed by Enchantress, is to be the picture of domestic normality with a cleaned-up Joker and their perfect little kiddies.

 

[Beefy]

Actual spoilers:

Spoiler

Yes. Joker hops into a vat of chemicals to save the woman he apparently loves in spite of himself, and Harley's deepest desire, as revealed by Enchantress, is to be the picture of domestic normality with a cleaned-up Joker and their perfect little kiddies.

Ergh.

 

[kurahador]

Ergh.

Right? That was one of the worst aspect they added in this movie for me.

It feels like DCEU is all about making the hero seems bad and the villain seems good.

 

[Anth0ny]

What a shitty thing to do. Guy probably already felt bad that his movie took such a beating. Who pays money and waits for hours in the heat just to boo a dude? Comic book fans can be pretty terrible sometimes.

To be fair, as someone who has waited 12 hours in line to get into Hall H, that crowd is generally sleep deprived and ready to cheer the shit out of anything they like, or... boo something they don't like. Most people in there probably weren't there to see Snyder and weren't huge fans of MoS or BvS, hence the boos.

I don't think we need to feel bad for the multi millionaire on stage getting booed by a crowd of people who paid to watch his movie.

 

[Ahasverus]

I don't think we need to feel bad for the multi millionaire on stage getting booed by a crowd of people who paid to watch his movie.

I think we do, because there is something called human empathy, remove the "millionaire part" and change it to "person who devoted four years of his life to create a comic book movie with his own money" and you understand why people are showing decency by not being ok with that.

 

[Majukun]

after all the bad reviews and impressions i've read i decided to go watch the movie anyway and..i liked it

yes the editing ,especially in the first part was kinda frantic,jumping all over the place from scene to scene
yes for what i saw i don't really like the new joker
yes some characters didn't receive really mucb attention,but they are in the comics so they had to be in the film despite the fact that they couldn't all get a backstory

but the movie is nowhere as bad as batman vs superman ,and it's probably on par with some of the marvel movies i saw (good but not excellent basically)

 

[Anth0ny]

I think we do, because there is something called human empathy, remove the "millionaire part" and change it to "person who devoted four years of his life to create a comic book movie with his own money" and you understand why people are showing decency by not being ok with that.

leaked video of snyder back stage after the event:

 

[Ahasverus]

leaked video of snyder back stage after the event:

Except the gif clearly shows he got emotionally hurt. But whatever I'm talking to a literal rock.

 

[tkscz]

They are totally different. In one, the main character danced during the final battle with the villain.

Spoiler

In the other, the villain danced during the final battle with the main characters.

Umm... when did that happen?

 

[Kusagari]

Snyder, who directed the reboots Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, confounds comic-book fans with his voluptuous, dramatic visual style, which is so unlike Marvel’s trashy, violent sarcasm. He’s a fantasist, but he’s also a moralist, and this comes through in Suicide Squad, produced by Snyder but directed by David Ayer. Ayer’s social sensibility (seen in Brad Pitt’s World War II movie, Fury, and in End of Watch, a rare cop movie with a credible sense of ethnic camaraderie) is compatible with Snyder’s. They both approach a childish genre like adults — and that’s what annoys the Marvel kids, whose bad rap on Suicide Squad has already gone viral.

You Marvel kids just don't get it.

 

[Blader]

Except the gif clearly shows he got emotionally hurt. But whatever I'm talking to a literal rock.

I think you're misreading the gif, heh.

 

[DedValve]

You Marvel kids just don't get it.

Its hilarious because this logic literally cannot work in a world where Nolans Batman is one of the most critically acclaimed if not THE most critically acclaimed comic book series.

Snyder goof'd not once, not twice but 3 times.

 

[MHWilliams]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

Damn. That's not right at all. I dislike his films, but don't boo the man.

I am just baffled that the opening week of this movie was this huge.

I mean, DC and WB doesn't even need to make a good film anymore. They just need to have good trailers and have a huge marketing push and people will still see it.

At least for the opening weekend, yes.

So they really made the relationship between Joker and Harley not abusive?

Not really.

Spoiler

There's a pimping scene and another where the Joker straight up plows their car into some water, despite Harley noting that she can't swim, which leads to her getting caught by Batman.

 

[Baleoce]

Went to see it today. Wasn't bad. Picked up near the end for sure. Not a fan of Cara Delevignes acting. I enjoyed the soundtrack, but felt they overused the licensed music. Enjoyed it for what it was though and enjoyed the main cast for the most part. Could tell it had been re edited a little bit. Viola Davis was great. 6/10

 

[Kibbles]

So they really made the relationship between Joker and Harley not abusive?

Test screening audiences didn't like it. So they ended up cutting and axing a bunch of scenes of them together

 

[CaviarMeths]

leaked video of snyder back stage after the event:

Breaking story: Millionaires also have emotions and things that they're passionate about.

 

[Violence Jack]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

I was at that panel. To be fair, most of the crowd in Hall H was pretty respectful and clapped for him. That was just some of the jerks sitting up front near the mics booing. Still, he got the worst reaction out of all the directors who came out.

 

[jett]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

The booing was really unnecessary. I imagine Snyder is under huge mental stress at the moment.

 

[Moral Panic]

Damn. That's not right at all. I dislike his films, but don't boo the man.

Why not?

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

You Marvel kids just don't get it.

where is this from lmao

 

[aBarreras]

Spoiler

I remember the part where that happened, but you couldn't even recognize the guy as far as I could see it. I thought the guy handing the phone was the shitbag who was torturing a bunch of them throughout the start, which felt weird.

There's also the part where they break in... I think for the bomb-taking-out device, which they never use at all

Spoiler

WHAT? people didnt pay attention to the movie at all, when Joker comes for harley after kidnapping Wallers chopper, he deactivates the fucking bomb, the fucking thing is shining through her skin, and she even says, "what? do i have a hickey?" then she walks towards the chopper and waller orders the bomb to blow up and they find out it is deactivated

maybe they didnt use the "taking out" device, but they definetely used what they stole from the facilty to help HQ escape

 

[Kelsdesu]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

Same numbnuts that probably saw both movies more than once.

 

[LSauchelli]

Are we expecting the 'Ultimate Cut' to be much better than the theatrical cut? Or the cut Joker scenes shouldn't be enough to improve it?

 

[Shaanyboi]

Are we expecting the 'Ultimate Cut' to be much better than the theatrical cut? Or the cut Joker scenes shouldn't be enough to improve it?

Doesn't sound like we're getting an Ultimate Cut. Not yet anyway. I hope we do.

 

[Kusagari]

where is this from lmao

Armond "Man of Steel is the Godfather of superhero movies" White of course.

 

[Nairume]

Are we expecting the 'Ultimate Cut' to be much better than the theatrical cut? Or the cut Joker scenes shouldn't be enough to improve it?

Honestly, adding back some of those Joker scenes would hurt the movie more than improve it.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

Least he took it in stride and was the bigger man about it. If that was Josh Trank I would've fully expected him to throw a chair at someone.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Honestly, adding back some of those Joker scenes would hurt the movie more than improve it.

Why are people saying this?

 

[MHWilliams]

Why not?

Because there are ways to express your discontent without booing a man on stage as a presentation. That's like calling a coworker out in front of everyone.

It is not the classy or conscientious thing to do.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Why not?

Because at least he is trying. I don't think he "gets" these characters at all but he isn't phoning it in. He's sincerely trying to make these films as good as he possibly can. That doesn't mean they're above criticism, just that he shouldn't be kicked while he is down. Boo-ing the dude isn't going to make him direct better films.

 

[Father_Brain]

The booing was really unnecessary. I imagine Snyder is under huge mental stress at the moment.

He most likely would have been fired from Justice League if the production start date had been a few months later, and he probably knows it. It's hard to imagine that there haven't been some pretty drastic on-set rewrites.

 

[Banjotanooki]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

Eh? I don't hear any booing...
https://youtu.be/5BEIjustiI8?t=40s

 

[Garlador]

Because there are ways to express your discontent without booing a man on stage as a presentation. That's like calling a coworker out in front of everyone.

It is not the classy or conscientious thing to do.

Pretty much. It's what forums are for.

... Though I wonder what his thought process is at the moment. Stay the course, or try and shift gears.

I'd be lost if I was him.

 

[aBarreras]

Why are people saying this?

because they change nothing,

 

[Shaanyboi]

because they change nothing,

The totally change the context of Joker and Harley's relationship. It gives her some semblance of an arc.

 

[neoflcl]

So, I didn't mind the movie. Kind of liked it, honestly. I'm not up on my comic book lore, though, so any complaints people have about changing characters/events is over my head.

It was all over the place and there was some weird shots/cuts at some parts, but it was certainly watchable. Don't see where the huge reaction comes from, personally. I was expecting a lot worse from a RT% like that :'D

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Pretty much. It's what forums are for.

... Though I wonder what his thought process is at the moment. Stay the course, or try and shift gears.

I'd be lost if I was him.

Its not up to him anymore, that's the point. I wouldn't be surprised if there literally wasn't 2 or 3 execs/producers hovering over his shoulder 24/7 basically telling what to do now. Affleck might even be one of them!

 

[aBarreras]

The totally change the context of Joker and Harley's relationship. It gives her some semblance of an arc.

it doesnt, he still is an asshole to her on the theatrical cut,

 

[GravityInsanity]

Eh? I don't hear any booing...
https://youtu.be/5BEIjustiI8?t=40s

There were boos. It's been confirmed on the day of Comic-Con for the people that were there.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Well I just saw it...eh.
The plot:

Spoiler

There's a big hole thing in the sky, they stop it

Most of the characters are really one dimensional and they only really focused on Harley Quin and Dead Shot. I loved the first 20 minutes or so but the rest was a drag. Every scene with the Joker in felt forced and annoying, I am not a fan of this rendition of the character at all. Mostly a fun film with pacing issues but the story is really thin, a 5/10 from me.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Saw it on Friday and didn´t like it. This movie has many problems:

• Harley was great sometimes and dull in many others: I hated that when she got surprised crying on top of the car, she wiped her tears away and put on a fake smile as if nothing happened. It wouldn´ve been much more believable for her to have a nervous breakdown and don´t give 2 shits if she´s surprised crying, go on a rampage and attack the soldiers or something...hell, that would´ve been a very nice chance for the team to bond: make them stop her, calm her down and comfort her. That scene make her whole persona look fake to me, another of many instances of the characters trying to be edgy and failing at it. When she steals the purse, her reply was really cringeworthy ("we´re the bad guys, it´s what we do"). Instead she should have made that seem natural to her and act surprised or confused at the complaints of the soldiers.

• 
  
  There's a reason for her not looking too upset about that.
  
  
  Spoiler

  In the version we got, the Joker allegedly died in that explosion, but she seems not too upset about it. The reason is that in the original edit of the film, he pushed her out of the helicopter to take the escape rope for himself. That's why she looks sad, but not heartbroken - they edited the scene so he "saves" her, but the scene she acted out is her reacting to him ditching her, not to him dying.

 

[Litan]

Its not up to him anymore, that's the point. I wouldn't be surprised if there literally wasn't 2 or 3 execs/producers hovering over his shoulder 24/7 basically telling what to do now. Affleck might even be one of them!

Now the question is, will that result in us getting a better movie? Or are there too many cooks in the kitchen?

 

[J_Viper]

Now the question is, will that result in us getting a better movie? Or are there too many cooks in the kitchen?

If Affleck and Johns happen to be the dudes in charge of course correction, it will absolutely be better than anything Snyder had planned. And I say that as a Snyder fan.

I actually wonder if Johns is doing rewrites of the JL script.

 

[Lys Skygge]

Zacks Synder when they booed him at Comic-Con

I feel really bad for him here . I'm definitely not his biggest fan, but I did enjoy Dawn of The Dead, 300, and Watchmen. I'd be excited to see him based on those films. I don't think I could ever boo a filmmaker based on their work.

 

[Rooster12]

The whole movie reeks of tryhardness: The Shadow the Hedgehog meme where he says "It´s like stealing candy from a kid, which is totally fine for me" constantly came to my mind during the film. These guys aren´t evil, save Captain Boomerang maybe.
[*]Tell, don´t show: The movie is constantly telling us that the characters are bad guys, but instead is showing us at everytime that they really aren´t. Diablo was the worst offender, he was shown as a pacifist for 99% of his screentime and only a short flashback showed him as a gangster. This is bad storytelling and I even find it insulting and simpleminded: don´t tell me these guys are the worst of the worst if I´m seeing they aren´t. Don´t make them say at every time that they´re bad while they fall short on that, make them do bad stuff instead so I can reach that conclusion on my own in a much more natural and powerful way. The movie was trying to lie in our faces at every turn like we were stupid.

These people are criminals but they're not "evil", don't expect them to go around killing and maiming everyone (other than Croc).

Even in Assault on Arkham or in the SS comics they aren't doing sadistic stuff like that either.

The Suicide Squad team on Arrow wasn't that evil either.

The movie could have portrayed them better, and used better wording instead of calling them "worst of the worst"....so that's a script problem for sure.

 

[Blader]

Now the question is, will that result in us getting a better movie? Or are there too many cooks in the kitchen?

Worked pretty well for this and Green Lantern, didn't it?

 

[GravityInsanity]

Now that Hans Zimmer is retired from comic book movies and Junkie XL is the composer for Justice League I got a feeling this is going to be full of Mad Max Fury Road and rock music for the soundtrack. WB needs to go back to it's roots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAsDL7f3veM

 

[Finaika]

Eh? I don't hear any booing...
https://youtu.be/5BEIjustiI8?t=40s

Wow James Wan is so tiny.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Now the question is, will that result in us getting a better movie? Or are there too many cooks in the kitchen?

Studio micromanaging and extensive rewrites aren't always a disaster, but when they turn out fine its because you have execs/producers who know what they're doing.

WB execs clearly do not.

 

[gamz]

Wow James Wan is so tiny.

Right?!?