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Stellar Blade Developer Shift Up addresses censorship claims "This is our final product. We are discussing this internally"
Senhua
Member
It's hilarious to see the 'neutral' crowd in this case. They sit in their high seats, mocking both sides and doing nothing constructive regarding this issue. Instead, they make it worse by incessantly bringing up topics unrelated to the matter at hand.
They forgot to analyze what happens when the 'woke' ideology wins, as it has now occurred with all major Western publications and most of the big ones in Japan too. Let's see how this unfolds in maybe 5 years if this situation persists.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
For big companies everything is a problem to be managed. PR would flag this as a problem, and as the changes asked for were simple and cosmetic (minimal cost to implement) its less effort to comply than not.
As to Shift Up; they'd have no reason to fight the decision as it wasn't impacting their creative vision.
I'm speaking specifically about the "hard-R" silliness here, because the impetus for any other changes evidently came from different sources. I mean people seem to overlook that the big "win" for the studio was that they didn't have to make multiple builds for different territories -like the uncensored release in Japan- which was a different sort of controversy and not one to do with the "woke" agenda that the YT reactionaries are warring against. Accommodating them may have been the reason for the (alleged) reductions in gore and the costume modifications.
Yet of course they way they present it, the "woke" bogeymen are behind every change because that suits their narrative!
This tendency towards over-simplification to create ideological straw-men is the main reason for my disenchantment with a lot of YT commentary; its become inescapably, inexcusably obvious to me that they aren't honest brokers of information and they are just as captured by their audiences as the mainstream media.
TheTony316
Member
So a guy on Youtube posted a video of the 1.0 and 1.2 versions. I've looked at both of his videos and the only outfits that are obviously altered are the bunny suit and the bondage suit. Everything else looks identical to me. Even the chinese dress has stockings in both versions.
I was thinking about not updating the game and play the original version but if it's just those two outfits it isn't worth missing out on the gameplay/latency improvements, imo.
I was thinking about not updating the game and play the original version but if it's just those two outfits it isn't worth missing out on the gameplay/latency improvements, imo.
There's nothing hilarious about the neutral crowd, they're probably the most sane of the lot. You have the developer telling you these are the costumes they wanted in the game and a bunch of people outraged telling them to change their game. The two extremes are as bad as eachother in trying to change what the developer wants to release. It's not even like Stellar blade is a woke game now. It still has cleavage, still has a more visible ass, it has more revealing outfits than what the culture war extremists want changed.
Bizarre thing is that Shift Up was reasonable about appeasing that crowd much like they did when they had to change a coat design in Nikke being called "censorship". Somebody asked can you revert it on Friday and they said they're discussing it internally and will give you an answer soon. They haven't even gone back to work on Monday yet and the culture war people are going insane over trivial stuff.
DryvBy
Member
Steam has full priced porn games. You believe no one, not a single person, is doing that?
You're still not addressing the majority of my argument which is this game doesn't have censorship if the creators changed one aspect of clothing. You can take off your clothes in this game which is the skimpiest suit in the game. So why is anyone complaining? Faux outrage as usual.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Saying "they meant the violence" is not fooling anyone.
I would have been more kind if they actually announced the changes. But just like with any other changes that are unpopular, the patch announcement deliberately omitted the bits that they don't want to talk about. The omission implies guilt.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Ohhh .. so it was you.
Topher
Gold Member
I've already addressed this. Most of America is sick of this woke shit as much as anyone else in the world. But let me know when the rest of the world decides to stop buying shit from all these woke companies. Easy to point fingers but you are just as culpable if you are sending these "woke American companies" your money. Sorry but much of the rest of the world owns this shit too.
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This is the dumbest thing I have read today...
midnightAI
Member
No, I'm saying when they said uncensored in all regions they meant it as no region specific censorship, ie. Region parity.
So in other words, no green blood in Germany, no pixelated genitalia in Japan etc. to satisfy individual ratings boards.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Now to get these outfits as they were then they may indeed need to scrap this idea to allow certain regions access to these outfits but then people will complain about that instead.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
Bg3 has male nudity also.. so the G's are happy therefore all the other letters can consent... is not hard to connect the dots. And probably has same sexual relations possibilities? I didnt play the game so I dont know ... checking boxes is important to this people (by this people I meant crazy twitter woke mob)OOOOOH, since it's an RPG full frontal nudity is OK.
You just cant please ONLY heterosexual males. Thats a big no no.
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Fredrik
Member
A porn game is a porn game. Stellar Blade is Devil May Cry with extra eye-candy.
In short people probably liked the eye-candy that was removed, simple as that.
In a longer explanation one could assume that people are also complaining because of how the industry has changed over the last decade, with past changes like the recent Lara Croft posing posters that was quietly removed through a patch in Tomb Rader trilogy. Might not be censorship this time, but the game is stuck in the line of fire here. They obviously should’ve just added the new costume as a new alternative and left the old one. I assume they’ll do that soon in a patch, they seem to listen to the noise.
And sure there are other costumes but if Polyphony removed some specific sports car, you don’t think some would complain there too even if there are many other sports cars to drive?
Why remove stuff through a patch? It’s always a bad idea imo, doesn’t matter if it’s from censorship or licensing, it’ll never be a popular thing.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
Picture the same controversy if she was black and gay ... same game...same outfits.. same everything.
DryvBy
Member
I agree it's a dumb move and most everything you just said. The outrage is fine. But the rhetoric behind it all is dumb.
Without any proof people are saying Sony forced them to censor it and we're back to "Sony censors everything" crap which isn't true at all. The lie doesn't even make any sense given that you can just take all of your clothes off in the game.
The gore was toned down, something I am more disappointed with. But I'm not calling it censorship. Literally 90% of my original post was about this and people latched onto my little dig. I was also using rhetoric to insult the hurt feels from some weird "gamers" out there.
MK11 got hit with this too and censorship popped up, but no one forced it. They wanted the creative choice to make the females less revealing and people lost their minds. Granted, just like before, it's a very small loud minority screaming. This time trying to say the west doesn't allow beautiful women yet this is the best looking protagonist in gaming history imo.
Again, my argument was mostly about using the term censorship out of its definition. This isn't that.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Bam. Nail on the head. They're gonna be their own worst enemy in this case.
But I guess they got through to Sony because they're offering refunds specifically for 'false advertising'. So we'll see what happens.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
When the next generation reflects on the Great Culture Wars of the 2020s, this post should be required reading so they understand how much brain rot both sides suffered through the whole thing.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Why?
DryvBy
Member
The SJWs and the anti-SJWs are both some of the worst people on the internet, with supporters not realizing how many ambulance chasers are in both groups making money from controversy.
Fredrik
Member
Problem is, it’s easy to say it’s their vision but since it can’t be proven that the changes aren’t not coming from Sony, or from doing a world wide uncensored version in countries where this is probably going too far, it’ll end with noise.
Every change like this post-launch comes with noise, has happened to so many games, with the usual before and after pics posted on social. Are you surprised this time? I’m not. They should’ve known it wouldn’t be popular. But no worries, just patch the costume back as an added costume and the gore as a gore slider and everything is fixed.
BiohazardX95
Member
Guys, this is super censored, I can't believe Sony did this:
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ToneyJ
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Whether this was Sony’s doing or not, Sony has a reputation and history of censoring things in games that even family friendly Nintendo thought were OK.
So when you have uncensored costumes printed on disc, “adjusted” at the last second in a patch and these adjustments cover up skin, it’s reasonable to assume to somebody at Sony had a last minute freakout.
So when you have uncensored costumes printed on disc, “adjusted” at the last second in a patch and these adjustments cover up skin, it’s reasonable to assume to somebody at Sony had a last minute freakout.
BiohazardX95
Member
Or could it be that devs adjusted it so that they could release the same version in all countries?
ToneyJ
Member
If this is the case, they can publicly state it this week if they want to. They definitely can’t throw Sony under the bus though.
JayK47
Member
I find it funny that anybody can justify censorship. Do you actually like censorship? Do you like bleeped out swear words? Blurred, covered up, or removed content? If you are still enjoying the game with censorship, cool I guess. Every time I see something that I know is censored, I just shake my head in disappointment. I am still likely able to enjoy it overall, but it is a -1 in an otherwise great game/movie/song.
One of my favorite movies is censored. Galaxy Quest has a scene where Gwen (Sigourney Weaver) clearly says "fuck that" and they edited it to say "screw that" but you can tell she is actually saying fuck instead of screw.
This edited outfit is similar. You can tell it doesn't look right and it was clearly edited. What does that mean for the game? It means I will never select the outfit and will never bother with it. So they may as well have deleted it as far as I am concerned. And the HARD R swap? That is even worse in my opinion. I want the HARD R version of the game. Good luck getting that mod on any possible PC version when a well known mod site will probably ban any mods that swap back to the original intended graffiti.
I have always hated censorship. But I also believe in ratings. If a game or movie is rated for adults, then they should be able to do whatever they want and not have some editor removing content unless it somehow makes the game/movie/song worse. Removing it because a minority find it objectionable is never ok to me.
One of my favorite movies is censored. Galaxy Quest has a scene where Gwen (Sigourney Weaver) clearly says "fuck that" and they edited it to say "screw that" but you can tell she is actually saying fuck instead of screw.
This edited outfit is similar. You can tell it doesn't look right and it was clearly edited. What does that mean for the game? It means I will never select the outfit and will never bother with it. So they may as well have deleted it as far as I am concerned. And the HARD R swap? That is even worse in my opinion. I want the HARD R version of the game. Good luck getting that mod on any possible PC version when a well known mod site will probably ban any mods that swap back to the original intended graffiti.
I have always hated censorship. But I also believe in ratings. If a game or movie is rated for adults, then they should be able to do whatever they want and not have some editor removing content unless it somehow makes the game/movie/song worse. Removing it because a minority find it objectionable is never ok to me.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
It wouldn't be a controversy... thats the point.
ManaByte
Member
The R rated version of Galaxy Quest was never released. Poor comparison here.
ManaByte
Member
They’re on the unpatched disc. The patch changes them. That’s censorship.
LegendOfKage
Member
Censorship mean imposing your moral, political, or religious views on others by changing content to conform with your moral, political, or religious values.
The content censored is on the disk itself, which is the final product. At this point, people literally have to choose between playing the uncensored version that they own a physical copy of, or playing the updated copy which features both gameplay improvements and censorship.
If the argument is the changes are small and practically the same thing, that reasoning goes both ways. Why change it in the first place? If this is a big deal for some people who don't any change that censors content no matter how small, why not include both options of each change and let people decide which they prefer? Would you agree that would be the best way to handle the situation?
If that's the game the developer wanted to release who's being censored exactly?
Go complain about actual censorship like not being able to say the words 'Jellyfish', 'poncho' or 'lmao' if you actually care about censorship.
darrylgorn
Member
I haven't been following, but isn't this a clear cut case of false advertising?
ManaByte
Member
People on Reddit say they’ve been able to get a refund on PSN by claiming it was false advertising.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
If censorship was a thing here. Every fucking outfit would have been censored.
So there is no such thing as censorship in this game.
what exactly was advertised? these outfits weren't really advertised anywhere. You could probably get a refund by saying any old thing but this isn't really any more false advertising than say a gun having its model or stats tweaked in a day one patch compared to an old build that discs were printed from.
ss_lemonade
Member
Somehow, I doubt there would be people complaining about censorship if it was the other way around, where the patch would make some outfits more revealing. Yes I know some here have mentioned it doesn't matter and will still count as censorship, but that would probably be drowned by people celebrating the changes.
Wrong. Do your research. They were in the trailers. Guess what? Uncensored. Stop posting spreading misinformation.
ManaByte
Member
That original tweet has just over 100 likes, in Twitter terms this is next to nothing. Her post has as much relevance as the smallest already extinct insect to the entire universe. No need to argue over her (ridiculous) points.OOOOOH, since it's an RPG full frontal nudity is OK.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You do know censorship isn't an all or nothing thing, right? To use a more well known example that was eventually changed after pushback, DMCV. They didn't cover everyone up in Burkas, but they still actively censored parts of the game. Enforced by Sony themselves, as stated by the devs.
That literally would not be censorship. Do you know what the word means?
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Ok, so what if they released a patch where some outfits had more clothing but some were made more revealing, would that developers vision or censorship then?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
lol, people really that mad about a couple of outfits and the removal of “hard r” from a wall when there’s shit like this in the game?
If these tiny changes were never made this game would still be championed as a bastion of anti-censorship.
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Madflavor
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I’d like to clarify that it was not just the Holiday Rabbit and Cybernetic Bondage outfits that were censored. The level of gore and blood was as well. Eve is covered in the Boss’s blood at the end of the demo, where that’s no longer the case in the final product, and that’s just in the first 15 minutes of the game. We don’t know to what further extent the level of gore was nerfed throughout the rest of the game.
Furthermore, there are some other outfits, such as Blue Monsoon, that just look like they had extra layers tacked on at some point late in development. For outfits like those I don’t know for a fact if they were changed at the 11th hour, but due to some of their design, I would not be surprised.
Furthermore, there are some other outfits, such as Blue Monsoon, that just look like they had extra layers tacked on at some point late in development. For outfits like those I don’t know for a fact if they were changed at the 11th hour, but due to some of their design, I would not be surprised.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
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FeralEcho
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ToneyJ
Member
If you don't care that great, no need waste your time in this thread.
FeralEcho
Member
So was the horse armour...it was just dlc...now look at the shit the industry is in.MTX everywhere,battlepasses,pay to win,lootboxes. "It's not that serious"
It always starts small and always seems unimportant until they keep going further and further,taking more control from you as a consumer,unless you make your voice heard to these people. The industry has a history of fucking over the consumers and we shouldn't give in to censorship no matter how small or insignificant it seems.
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