TidusYuna
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Yup, I own it. We didn't get the remake for Lunar 2 . I just want a dualpack of this classic on modern consoles, remaster or remake.
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Persona, Star Ocean, And Final Fantasy Developers Discuss The Trend Of Remaking Classic RPGs
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Yup, I own it. We didn't get the remake for Lunar 2 . I just want a dualpack of this classic on modern consoles, remaster or remake.
BlackTron
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TBH, when I see the comparison pic off FF7's iconic cover pose old and new, I feel more looking at the old one. Because realism, his pants have to be made smaller, but the sword still makes perfect sense...it was better when there was just a smokescreen of silly gaminess over everything.
NightmareFarm
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JimboJones
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Yeah, fucking gorgeous but different strokes for different folks I guess.
As long as remakes are done well I say bring em on.
There isn't anything stopping you from playing the og if you really want to experience those.
Oberstein
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Comandr
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Hi. I just came to say that I completely agree withMister Wolf
I *know* that's what Squeenix refers as "HD-2D".
What I meant to say is that there's nothing "HD" about it.
Bravely Default has high resolution art (i.e. not pixel art) and would make more sense to use the "HD" terminology for that type of game instead.
There's nothing properly blended,
Not to mention all those tiling textures on the ground, overuse of depth of field, photorealistic lighting on 3D environments but sprites have cartoon shading, high resolution UI & text that do not match the sprites' resolutions, and on and on.
It's a mess
People are blinded by nostalgia, and are desperatly craving for good JRPGs again, like those of the SNES/PS1 era.
But this is not it.
This is focusing on the superficial to cheapen development costs.
All those "HD-2D" games do is reward Squeenix for embracing mediocrity and getting rich along the way.
I want you to see the LIGHT
SlimeGooGoo
. I think a modern pixel art game like Sea of Stars or Eastward can be really beautiful. I also think there's merit in the chunky polygonal look of the DQ5 PS2 game. I think a modern version of that look could be really good.The blending of these two styles seems like the worst of both worlds. I genuinely hated the look of SO2R, despite the fact that it's one of my favorite games of all time. Slime hit the nail on the head with the awkward modern camera effects and advanced lighting that doesn't blend at ALL with the sprites or environment. Why are the fucking sprites shaded like that? I hate it. Just make them chunky 3D models that match the world.
Look at this fucking scene. There is so much bloom applied to the huge, low pixel count sprites they just look like a mess, and they contrast so terribly against the detailed environment. This could have been completely resolved if they used models instead.
Orrr look at this scene:
Claude has both highlights and shadows cast across his sprite, and then he's standing in front of a yellow green scene. This makes his sprite actually very difficult to clearly see.
This is a rough approximation of how Tri-Ace originally intended for this scene to look, and it still looks gorgeous.
The character sprites look great, the portraits pop. Everything was meticulously designed to appear beautiful on a CRT. There was a very specific intention to how all of the artwork was created in the 1990s with CRT considerations.
I love pixel art games. But you can't just take that and throw a bunch of shit on top of it and blast the resolution to 4k and call it "HD-2D;" it looks like shit.
Slime's example with Bravely Default's backgrounds was a great one. THAT is what I consider "HD-2D." Actual high definition 2D artwork. It's funny, now that I think about it- it's the exact opposite of most HD-2D examples. Sprites on 3D vs 3D on flat HD artwork.
I just think the latter works far better than the former.
Mister Wolf
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Hi. I just came to say that I completely agree with
The blending of these two styles seems like the worst of both worlds. I genuinely hated the look of SO2R, despite the fact that it's one of my favorite games of all time. Slime hit the nail on the head with the awkward modern camera effects and advanced lighting that doesn't blend at ALL with the sprites or environment. Why are the fucking sprites shaded like that? I hate it. Just make them chunky 3D models that match the world.
Look at this fucking scene. There is so much bloom applied to the huge, low pixel count sprites they just look like a mess, and they contrast so terribly against the detailed environment. This could have been completely resolved if they used models instead.
Orrr look at this scene:
Claude has both highlights and shadows cast across his sprite, and then he's standing in front of a yellow green scene. This makes his sprite actually very difficult to clearly see.
This is a rough approximation of how Tri-Ace originally intended for this scene to look, and it still looks gorgeous.
The character sprites look great, the portraits pop. Everything was meticulously designed to appear beautiful on a CRT. There was a very specific intention to how all of the artwork was created in the 1990s with CRT considerations.
I love pixel art games. But you can't just take that and throw a bunch of shit on top of it and blast the resolution to 4k and call it "HD-2D;" it looks like shit.
Slime's example with Bravely Default's backgrounds was a great one. THAT is what I consider "HD-2D." Actual high definition 2D artwork. It's funny, now that I think about it- it's the exact opposite of most HD-2D examples. Sprites on 3D vs 3D on flat HD artwork.
I just think the latter works far better than the former.
So Octopath Traveler 2 looks bad to you as well?
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March Climber
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I remember the days of the internet hating the 3D chibi models of games like Bravely Default.
MagiusNecros
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Comandr
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Yeap. Particularly in battles. Look around the 9:30 mark. Hyper strong vignette effect obscuring both allies and enemies towards the edge of the screen. Bloom applied to various sprites erasing fine detail, then you have the modern super sharp 3D particles that conflict with the design language of the sprites themselves. The HD hud also looks out of place against the pixel world.
You have two conflicting design ideologies here and it just looks a mess. I just think the fundamental concept is a flawed one.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Character sprites clash with the beautiful backdrops Octopath has. Not in a good way. Otherwise artistically the games are beautiful.
Gameplay and music are great so I'm not bothered too much. In most RPGs if the story is decent, the gameplay engaging and the music hype I don't care too much about artistic presentation too much.
Gameplay and music are great so I'm not bothered too much. In most RPGs if the story is decent, the gameplay engaging and the music hype I don't care too much about artistic presentation too much.
SlimeGooGoo
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
KillWhat about me
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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No it's marry at least
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
Get in the lineNo it's marry at least
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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SlimeGooGoo
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Evil Calvin
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Make new games!
Danjin44
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They already making new games, Atlus alone is releasing two new IP this year.
nial
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Just give me Gunparade March and Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines once and for all.
Dragon's Dogma 2 and Rise of the Ronin are coming soon at the very least.
Danjin44
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nial
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FUCK me, I just want it in English, is that too much to ask?Its gone....
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Hah no you won't. Ain't gonna happen Cap'n.
SlimeGooGoo
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
FOOLISH FOOL! THERE IS ONLY ONE GILGAMESH AND YOU ARE NOT HE!What if...
I come dressed in a Gilgamesh costume?