You see that right there? That's awesome.
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Star Wars Battlefront 2 - Single Player Cinematic Trailer
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You see that right there? That's awesome.
Depends if you know Cushing at all, it seems. A bunch of younger people I saw it with who didn't know Cushing was dead had no idea he was CG in Rogue One.
This is the case and the 2015 Vader comic explores that particular subject.
During the Dark Times, Vader was basically a myth or legend among the Imperial bureaucracy and forces. You generally didn't meet him unless you were important, on a special mission, or were going to die, because Palpatine used him as his enforcer and head of the Inquisitorius. As the rebellion ramped up Vader became more prominent, leading pacification campaigns (on Kashyyyk for example), but he was always outside the official hierarchy (hence why Motti talks back to him).
After the destruction of the Death Star and the Cymoon-1 facility, Sheev demotes Vader to punish him and puts him under Grand General Tagge's command, purposefully fostering a rivalry between him and Dr. Cylo as well who is working on various cyborg experiments to try to surpass Vader. Vader ultimately foils a usurpation attempt by Cylo and proves his worth, so Palpatine allows him to kill Tagge and take his spot as the head of the military, which makes him de facto #2 in the Empire (Mas Amedda is de jure #2).
That was incredibly well said.
Gemüsepizza
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And how many resources (time/money) has EA given them? BF1 sold quite a lot, why should they invest more into this game? If they manage to make a fine campaign, good. But the lack of campaign footage is worrying. I will definitely wait for reviews.
I could never get over the third person present tense choice in the first book. I don't know why, but that style makes my teeth grind.
Voidwolf
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Yeah it helps with the cohesiveness of the Star Wars brand and definitely helps bring it in line with the Clone Wars droid voices also being included. That's why it doesn't bother me, and as a fan of the show I still enjoy the way things turned out.
In Legends Vader was well respected among the Stormtrooper corps for being a commander who fought along side the grunts, not sure if they've maintained this in the new canon as I'm not caught up on all the books. However, in the new comics he's been seen to kill a Stormtrooper who sees his face after his helmet gets damaged and in another instance he picked up some troopers with the Force and uses them to shield himself.
I'm hoping we come across him as Iden and see whether or not he's idolized or generally feared. And since we know she confronts Luke at some point and will most likely meet Kylo we'd have a character that comes across all 3 generations of Skywalkers!
Gravemind IV
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Although I do wish that we got the option for Episode I droid voices.
SuperBanana
Banned
I really hope this is better than their piss poor Battlefield efforts. Battlefield 1 was a couple of disjointed missions thrown together.
I think it's a given she's going to turn her back on the Empire in some way at the end of the game. Probably going to sacrifice herself in some way.
Isn't the game entirely post ROTJ? Vader would be dead
Voidwolf
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Oh snap, you're right. I feel like I've seen footage of her flying through a field of debris with someone talking about her being present during the destruction of the first Death Star. But maybe they were just talking about the book while showing unrelated footage of the game.
More or less. But I wouldn't say they openly mock him, just one officer gets a little ballsy while disagreeing with him and Vader quickly puts him in his place.
Just wanted to add that Palpatine, Vader, and Tarkin formed a sort of unofficial triumvirate as mentioned in the novel Tarkin and even by the time of A New Hope, prior to the destruction of the Death Star, there wasn't anyone officially above Vader other than Palpatine. Before being appointed as Grand Moff, when Tarkin and Vader were assigned to work together, Tarkin himself is unsure of whether or not he's in charge of Vader and how the latter would react if he was to try to order him around. At some point Tarkin had deduced Vader was Anakin but kept it to himself, and the two already shared a deep respect for each other during the Clone Wars, he was probably the closest thing Vader had to a friend (though still far from it) in the whole galaxy. This along with his rank is probably the real reason we see Tarkin being able to reel Vader back in, Tarkin knew Vader was a Sith Lord and what he was capable of, I don't think he would have raised his voice at him on the Death Star otherwise.
kraspkibble
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i need this. hurry up november pls.
Lee Chaolan
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Honestly, that was pretty cool.
Polygonal_Sprite
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It's crazy how far ahead the visuals are in this engine all the while 60fps on consoles.
Can't wait for this!
Can't wait for this!
And what have they done exactly that points to them being a solid choice to develop a worthy single player campaign?
They don't seem to have any credits to their name before this game....at least not on Wikipedia.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Its a new studio. Helmed by Jade Raymond (executive producer on Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) and written by Walt Williams (Spec Ops: The Line) and Mitch Dyer.
So a new studio staffed by seasoned and competent developers.
Lord of Castamere
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They did the same with Battlefield 1, it seems like this is the new way forward(in terms of no footage).
Multi is where the money is made, just be happy this is even being included.
Multi is where the money is made, just be happy this is even being included.
It seems they're also working on another Star Wars title to be released later. Hope they're not being forced to split their resources too thinly to accomplish both.
This is getting ridiculously stupid. People just don't read anymore.
Given her actions in the novel, I don't see her joining the Rebels.. it's possible she quits the Empire, but joining the Rebels? Nah.
She already had a hard time pretending to be one of Saw G's rebels. She wasn't thrilled about the destruction of Alderaan but accepted the reasons for doing so.
I wonder what the chances are that they show...
The attack on Naboo. They already have the map created in MP and while it's the prequel era version, I doubt it would be that hard to use it for Operation Cinder.
After all, the comic with Leia that showed Naboo post ROTJ shows it doesn't really look all that different.
After all, the comic with Leia that showed Naboo post ROTJ shows it doesn't really look all that different.
Jeff Freecss
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I truly hope the single player does not become a Nazi empathy practice mode. We already have enough Neo Nazi supporters in the gaming space to "educate" us on their thoughts. I don't think I want to pay 60 dollars for another nazism experience.
Aww, I really dig Witwer. I couldn't believe it was him the first time I found out.
The dialogue seemed fine? What was wrong with it?
Leans too hard into mustache-twirling villainy. Feels fake. Corny. Kasdan is one of the only writers in Star Wars who can tow that line without crossing into parody.
The TIE Fighter PC game actually did it really well. Satirized the Empire's rhetoric, poked fun at their blissfully evil propaganda. This is like what that game was making fun of.
Edit: also it's like a two minute exchange, so I'm not gonna cast judgment on the whole game. It could be fine.
At least we'll have Wolfenstein.
dragonyeuw
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I would say Vader's ascension to clear 2nd in command status was dictated by the public's reaction to him back in 1977. For the same reason Boba Fett is a cult favorite when he was originally a throwaway villain that was given a silly death, Vader's story and overall relevance ( right down to his connection to Luke and Leia) was pretty much 'on the fly' storytelling as the series grew in pop culture status. Ditto for making him 'force Jesus' in the PT, and having the galaxy revolve around him.
Voidwolf
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Not even remotely correct.
Crossing Eden
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Yes they have. Logan's head and upper body during the car chase and forest run were CGI.
And every scene in the hotel with Laura was CGI because the actress couldn't get inside the casino they were shooting in due to her age. Kylo Ren's mask during this scene is CGI since they wanted to wait til later to show off his face. There's a lot of VFX in film that people don't recognize. Anyway, this cinematic is fantastic. Frostbite games always have pre-rendered in-engine cinematics over realtime ones. But hands down this is the best looking game of 2017.
As if the story won't eventually have a moment where she realizes she's working for the baddies and thus betrays the empire. Probably after meeting Luke.
dragonyeuw
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So that was all ordained in the stars as far back as 77 eh? Ok. If you have some info in that regard that I may be unaware of, in the name of good discussion providing it as opposed to a dismissive drive-by would be nice.
Voidwolf
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Just watch or read any of the dozens of interviews or documentaries GL has taken part in.
dragonyeuw
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I have seen my share of behind the scenes stuff with him, and some things he says I take with a bit of salt, particularly that he had the whole thing mapped out from the get-go. The original trilogy was clearly portrayed as Luke's journey, fast forward 40 years and now it was always Anakin's tale? Ok. But I'll do some research on that end when I'm in the mood.
CamHostage
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To a degree. In A New Hope, Vader was who we identified as the bad guy among bad guys, but ultimately he was just the masked demon (as fans back then, we didn't ask "who" was in the mask, we just wanted to know what hideous face was locked under there.) He did kill Obi-Wan, though, and was known as the monster who killed Luke's father, and also was the only baddie we know who survived the Death Star, so he wasn't a misplaced "phantom menace," he was our idea of the enemy. By the time of the sequels, Lucas had more story to tell of him and so we see him more in charge, answering only the Emperor.
Lucas talks a lot of guff about what "had always been the plan" for Star Wars, and if you read script drafts or look at concept art you can see how much was solidly thought out versus what (if any) was just somewhere in the brain stew, but Vader was always the big bad our heroes would deal with in the end.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Well...that was lame.
Zero expectations that this will be good. We haven't seen anything yet from this Single Player campaign since the announcement. We're two months away, and the only thing they have to show is this scene with cheesy writing and hammy as fuck acting?
Zero expectations that this will be good. We haven't seen anything yet from this Single Player campaign since the announcement. We're two months away, and the only thing they have to show is this scene with cheesy writing and hammy as fuck acting?
dragonyeuw
Member
Interesting. Ok, and on the note of Luke and Leia, was Luke being Vader's son( and Leia being revealed as Luke's sister in ROTJ) in the cards when the first move hit? Or were those subplots added in after the fact once Star Wars was proven a hit? I've always thought it was the latter, and I've read( though not recently) conflicting stories on that. The original is quite clearly self-contained, with the potential to go forward if it didn't flop on its face.
JonnyDBrit
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Not always. As I understand it, Lucas had initially conceived of all of those as separate characters. Ie, Anakin and Vader were fellow pupils of Obi-Wan, Luke's sister was not Leia at all but someone hidden on the other side of the galaxy. The sister stuff was only resolved for ROTJ, while the problem Lucas had when it came to ESB, he just couldn't find a way to make Luke's father work in a way that was satisfying - presumably because as yet one more mentor character for Luke, in a film where Yoda was already being introduced, he probably came off as utterly unnecessary. Yet it's hard to just excise the concept of Luke's father when that's one of the primary motivations for the character's journey to becoming a Jedi. While Vader stood well as a menacing villain, but lacked any particular connection to the cast - it could work functionally, but it meant there was less substance to the overall confrontation between him and Luke. Merging the two killed two birds with one stone - lose the redundancy, gain the most iconic scene in cinema.
Vader and Anakin were originally separate characters as mentioned in ANH, and Luke's sister was Nellith who was away in another part of the galaxy. In the Leigh Brackett ESB draft, Anakin's ghost appears on Dagobah and knights Luke with Yoda ("Minch" at the time) and Ben's ghost.
Lucas' original broader ideas for Star Wars as a single movie were split into three as they were developed. It's also probably part of the reason you have the Death Star at the end of the first film and the end of the trilogy as a whole.
But ideas were introduced along the way or reworked. Luke's sister was supposed to be someone else entirely. The third film wasn't really supposed to be what it was, and rumors are that it was supposed to solely be a chase to find Han Solo and little-to-none of the Emperor stuff. It maybe explains why the first third of Return of the Jedi is so wildly divorced from everything else in that movie. It's also why you sometimes hear talk that there was supposed to be a 7, 8, 9 that continued on and brought us back around to the finale we're mostly familiar with.
But it's hard to know how much of that was true at all.
NullPointer
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Thank you for this, because that was exactly my first thought. Will keep a more open mind now.
dragonyeuw
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This all plays into what I said several posts above, about on the fly storytelling that my initial respondent classified as 'not remotely' correct( you guys have gone into much deeper detail). I'm aware that Lucas, in some 'making of' shorts said that he had the whole thing mapped out or something to that effect, but I've read plenty of stuff contrary to that in response and it's pretty clear that there was retconning some plot-points from the first movie( like Obiwan speaking to Anakin and Vader being two separate people in ANH, only to change that to 'from a certain point of view' in ESB).
CamHostage
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Heh, are those as mutually exclusive? As long as everybody dies who is present when Vader uses is crew as cannon fodder, the story can be written to make their deaths as heroic as need be.
As it pertains to Inferno Squad and the BF2 Campaign, I'm not sure how I feel about the buddy-buddy version of Vader and his troopers (you DO want something of Anakin to be twisted into the character, him bonding with soldiers is better than him sadding over Padme in a meditation chamber...), but it would be best if Iden Versio and her team had at least an understanding of Vader, if not a direct connection. (And I figure they will, as not only have they been Guildensterning major events of the Saga, but also we fans primarily know the story through the lens of the films and maybe the TV series, so that connective tissue is important.)
Whether the whole Empire knows of Vader (or how many other Inquisitors and "Emperor's Hand" or whatever other badasses are out there working one side of the galaxy with their troops while Vader haunts another,) somebody might know current-canon better than me. As long as forces of the Empire are enraged and desperate after the Emperor's death, though, that's enough to make them dangerous.
I read the Spec Ops mumbo jumbo. I just highly doubt it's going to make that much of a significant different. And also, I just don't care.
BattleMonkey
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The whole having a massive contingency plan and operation cinder stuff was so out of character for Palpatine.
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"If i die all must die with me", because Sheev is EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL