HerjansEagleFeeder
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You really believe the existence of Sony in the gaming space has any impact on the total market demand?
It's the other way 'round
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Sony have done it. PlayStation 5 has had the Biggest Q1 for ANY console in HISTORY shipping 6.3 Million Units!
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It's the other way 'round
NikuNashi
Member
Sony have sprinted off into the distance like Usain bolt while MS is sitting on the start line eating energy bars and telling everyone how expensive their running shoes are.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
so big they are number 3. it seems like there is a disconnect with the real world.
bluecowboys
Banned
Except MS is bigger than Sony in gaming as well. Window PCs has more gamers and sells around 300 million a year. Sony might hit 120 million PS5 sales in 7 years at best lol.
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Poltz
Member
Oh man...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
bluecowboys
Banned
Maybe Xbox console, but not MS or its eco system
number 3 baby.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe Xbox console, but not MS or its eco system
Xbox is their gaming division. Why would they factor in Windows, Office and Azure into Xboxs numbers?
Ronin_7
Member
Facts.
Ronin_7
Member
The delusional takes you read online are something else.
Windows is just something where you install a client to play games from.
Microsoft doesn't make money because people are using Steam on Windows and you don't evaluate businesses based on their user count but their revenues and as we speak PlayStation completely dwarfs Xbox.
TLZ
Banned
makaveli60
Member
Well yes, I am. And I never see any valid arguments from fanboys besides laughing emojis and drooling over the current leadership making money from what the ps4 dreamteam earned with their incredible work.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Zheph
Member
this is quality content and I needed that to start my day with a bright smile, cheers
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
No. Because Steam and Epic use Windows, it means Microsoft also owns Steam and Epic, and they are a part of the "Xbox ecosystem."
Baki
Member
Why aren’t MTX and Subs revenue not sustainable? They’ve been growing it for the past 15 years and 3 console generations.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You do use Windows when you remember how they used their monopoly to drive growth in other product lines and how they can use it in the future again for the same purposes. You use Windows numbers when you know that can happen (and for some they are fully ok with that
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Cant wait to see their showcase....last gen is over. Time to see what Sony can do this year. We've known about spiderman for almost two years now...let's get that new shit for 2023!
FunkMiller
Member
And Sony sells millions of TVs that people play games on. Not to mention everything else they sell.
You can’t just specify PlayStation sales, but then not specify Xbox.
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Rebootizing
Banned
thats insane
sell lot of consoles -> potential of quality games
sell tiny amount of consoles -> low potential of quality games
difficult?
bluecowboys
Banned
Microsoft doesn’t make money on windows? Microsoft made around 130 billion dollars in profit in 2022.
That is more than what Sony is worth as a company lol.
Captain Toad
Banned
Lol only when they want to spin the numbers that way. When they are trying to get Activision Sony is 5x more popular.
When they want their MAU numbers high, they force all Minecraft players on Switch, PC and PS4 to create Xbox accounts to count those for their MAU. Sony has games on PC, Switch and Xbox, but they don't count those as PlayStation MAU.
Microsoft spins their numbers to fit whatever narrative they want to spin. And when they can't, (like actual sales) they simply won't share those numbers, unlike Sony and Nintendo.
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Imru’ al-Qays
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Why exactly is DJ Khaled this sub's mascot
Ronin_7
Member
You shouldn't go back to school lad.
Hero_Select
Member
The console warriors on both sides are out in full force here it seems lol
Captain Toad
Banned
That's not how this works. It's more like a snowball. Success breeds more success.
It was Microsoft who infamously stated, "the first to 10 million will win".
The only exception I can think of is PS3 very slowly overtaking Xbox 360 right at the end. Every other generation, there's been an obvious and clear winner from the jump and that gap just grows larger.
Topher
Gold Member
MasterCornholio
Member
I think what he needs to ask is how much of that money Microsoft sees.
Topher
Gold Member
That would require intellectual honesty.
MasterCornholio
Member
No doubt that Microsoft owns Windows. But not every revenue stream that goes through that platform comes to them.
For example. Sure they receive sales from software in the Windows store. But if a game is sold on steam and Microsoft doesn't own it they probably don't see any income from it. Heck PC also has emulators and roms those dont mean Jack to Microsoft.
Topher
Gold Member
Yep. Microsoft gets zero money from the sale of anything on Windows that isn't their own software or sold on their store. Equating Windows overall with Microsoft gaming is simple false. Valve is the king of PC gaming. Not Microsoft.
X-Wing
Member
And Miele sells more dishwashers than Sony. PlayStation is doomed.
MasterCornholio
Member
It's also why the MAU arguments bother me. Not every MAU is going to give you income. Sometimes simply turning on your computer can trigger it. It's why I don't really like looking at MAUs to determine how successful something is.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It’s so much bigger that their revenue numbers are 3rd behind both Sony and Nintendo. But good for them for having a broader eco system. Clearly it’s working out for them
Captain Toad
Banned
Are you being serious?
Microsoft does not "own" PC gaming.
Microsoft gets 30% cut for every (third-party) game sold on Xbox. Just like Nintendo gets 30% for every Switch game and Sony gets 30% for every PS game.
Tell me, what does Microsoft get for games selling on PC? Hint - it's the same Sony and Nintendo get.
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Tams
Member
Cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope...
bluecowboys
Banned
They sure do get a cut because it promotes windows which means more money for Microsoft.
It’s like saying NVIDIA or AMD doesn’t make a profit on gaming.
Captain Toad
Banned
Lol, ok then count every Xbox and Switch player who has a Sony tv or speaker hooked up as a PlayStation user.
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Cyber_hunter026
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bluecowboys
Banned
Sony only has 10% of the TV market share. Windows pretty much has 100% of the computer market share.
Captain Toad
Banned
Someone should inform Apple.
To touch on this again....right now there are rumors that Rockstar is about to end DLC support on last gen GTA V Online. Its almost ended now, there's a mish mash of recent DLC updates where some features aren't on last gen. And performance on last gen is just getting worse.
They did this for the PS360 in 2015. That's in a quicker time vs now.
The more current gen console sold, the quicker we can move on from cross gen, last gen.
So that alone should be reason enough to celebrate. PS5 selling like hotcakes is helping to end cross gen faster.
"A rising tide lifts all boats"
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thatsafakewebsitebro
Member
I think this is the biggest reason for the sales bump. I don’t see Sony selling these many consoles until the winter holiday. Or a slim refresh.
John Wick
Member
Wow, amazing. I think this is about the games console divisions. So I don't get what MS making 130 billion has to do with anything?
Apple made 170 billion profit...........