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Wandering Leopard
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DF also mentioned that very first trailer was sub 4k @ 24fps. And while Epic did say the trailer could have been real-time, real-time on what hardware.
I'll personally wait with interest when we see an official trailer, I don't know what to make of such a super short clip.
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abacab driver
Banned
Looks good to me.
As with the initial reveal teaser, Senua's in-engine model looks convincingly like an actual person with elaborate make-up on (and costume) as opposed to just a really good 3D character model.
I mean..what can you say?
This is gonna be worth the wait.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
The tiny snippets looked great, too little though. I can see why Phil bumped this from the E3 show and it's released today like it is.
AdjudicatorHead
Member
Why are all of these new devs that Microsoft bought for XGS so slow at making games?
Wandering Leopard
Member
I'm not sure that's true, but they definitely announce new titles way too early.
abacab driver
Banned
Because almost all of Microsoft's 1st party are making actual next-gen games (not cross gen) and have to make up for lost dev time due to covid.
At least the 2nd year into this gen, we're getting Redfall and a megaton like Starfield (+ who knows what else..maybe Wolfenstein 3, Forza Motorsport?).
To put things in perspective, I remember we had to wait:
-3 years into last gen for Uncharted 4
-4 years in for Gran Turismo Sport and Horizon Zero Dawn
-5 years in for God Of War and Spiderman
-6 years in for Days Gone
-7 years in for The Last Of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima
Those are the games everyone champions when they mention quality 1st party games from Sony, last gen.
They took time. Games take time.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
yes it does , but that is a target render , finished game will look close to that
Ninja Theory in particular is quite small, 115 on LinkedIn and 120 on wiki. I also didn't know that they have worked on a couple of VR games since acquisition.
I also don't think they have been able to scale out in terms of employees.
supernova8
Banned
There's no guarantee it was even game footage. Tameem "I love myself so much it's painful to watch" Antoniades was careful to be vague with his choice of words "a montage of the kind of work we've been up to".
Silent Viper
Banned
Yes
Team Andromeda
Member
Ninja Theory is the best developer in the UK. Just such a talented group of people. Can't wait for the game had hope it can come out late next year.
Silent Viper
Banned
Development came to halt during 2020 coz of covid. Mocap was resumed this year plus transition to UE5
Raekwon26
Member
This is a bit disingenuous.
Naughty Dog took 3 years between TLOU and Uncharted 4.
Guerrilla Games took 4 years between Killzone and HZD.
Insomniac had released 2 games for the consoles before Spiderman (Sunset Overdrive and Ratchet and Clank)
Sucker Punch had released Infamous Second Son already and Naughty Dog (see above).
SSM released GOW Ascension in 2013 and Bend had been working on the Vita.
The point is, these studios were making games right up to the end of the PS3's life cycle and some had games come out right at the beginning of the PS4.
This is NOT the case in regards to the Xbox.
anthony2690
Banned
Sounds like they got some serious budget behind hellblade 2.
I hope they nail the combat, movement and puzzle design this time.
Whilst I didn't enjoy the first game that much, I do think the IP has huge potential.
I hope they nail the combat, movement and puzzle design this time.
Whilst I didn't enjoy the first game that much, I do think the IP has huge potential.
oldergamer
Member
What? Dont try to move goal posts. Realtime means it wasn't pre-rendered. Nobody claimed it was gameplay footage.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Yeah i know that. But people often don't know that it can be graphically different because in-engine always looks better than real-time gameplay.
Marvel
could never
Ditto
mejin
Member
This excuse made by him would be true IF the Xbox One had the same kind of first party as the PS4. It didn't. All gen MS never really commited to the system and people were fine with this cause they expected they were full ahead on next gen. It was a false alarm like always, the games are not ready and we have more promises again.
Spencer was the first to announce next gen and hype it. Now you have a console that was launched on 2020 and the "next gen" games will only start to appear in 2023, 2024. In 2020, Sony released an insane number of games and they still have games for 2021. Imagine if MS studios will launch all they have on 2023, 2024 they just won't have enough time to develop more big games till the end of the gen it will just a new batch of cross gens with the next xbox imo.
You think the xbox gen last 4 years? I might be read into something that isn't there.
Also we know that Xbox is getting 4 games from Bethesda in 2022 (including the two exclusives), assuming forza Motorsport personally. I suspect a couple more personally.
nekrik
Member
1st You can't see shit!This has just taken a large dump on every other game we've seen so far
2nd Nobody said that those scenes are from a real time game capture, though they could be and are runing at 20fps on an RTX 3900 on a high end pc. So lol!
3d and most important espesially for technical clueless people: IN ENGINE DOES NOT MEAN IT IS R E A L T I M E !!!
PS: Those scenes from the video are not even that great!
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Starfield, Redfall and (likely) Motorsport are next gen only coming in 2022. And I doubt we have seen the entire lineup.
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mejin
Member
No, no. I meant the studios are not prolific enough. When we see MS first party output, they're clearly taking more time than expected to produce results. Considering this pace, most will probably launch one big game in 2023 or 2024 and won't have enough time to develop another one in due time for Series S/X, so it will probably be a cross gen.
Now, Bethesda was a big cover up for the lack of first party games on Xbox. But remember as a big publisher Bethesda would launch those games (in multiplatform) even if MS didn't acquire them imho. So, those games are not really an effort from MS, they were already in development before the acquisition. So, that's what makes this acquisition a very good move from MS, they not only get "first party exclusives", but they also blocked the multiplatform.
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When you say cross gen? Which gens are you talking about? You think Avowed is going to be running on xbox one?
I would like to see team size per studio but I feel like Microsoft studios are a decent chunk small.
MS bought exclusivity and effectively tech talent from the team with idtech.
mejin
Member
I meant the next xbox gen (series SS/XX). Series S/X is current gen now.
And yep, they paid a lot for exclusivity of Bethesda and others teams of Zenimax. Although, there is still difference between Xbox Game Studios and Zenimax/Bethesda since Zenimax was not incorporated to XGS as previous acquisitions.
Cool. Can maybe see it but I also think the Project Mara and TOW2 won't come too much later than Hellblade2 and Avowed, for different reasons. Maybe 18-24 months later.
TheGodfather07
Member
they really are reluctant to show this game aint they? there isnt even teases of any gameplay at all. hasnt it been in development for years?
mejin
Member
Sure, it's all speculation always. If we were certain of things we wouldn't emit opinions, but facts. Would be rich too haha.
I think Ninja Theory has 2 more projects besides Hellblade II (Project Mara included). We can't be sure how big will they be, but since Hellblade II still is in early phases of development we can only wonder and hope for good news from Ninja Theory. Nothing would be better than see them being more prolific as they grow bigger as a team.
SirTerry-T
Member
There's also the fact that a lot of devs, regardless of who they are developing games for, be it Microsoft or Sony, use a shit ton of outsourcing, Naughty Dog in particular.
Those outsource studios can't be hired until any assets they need to produce are decided on...otherwise you are just pissing Dev time and money away.
Though it's an "easy out" at the moment, Covid WILL have an impact on this..a lot of outsource teams are based in South Asia and South East Asia.
Negotiator101
Member
Ok buddy
abacab driver
Banned
You know, I never see that same energy for Sony when people champion Insomniac for releasing 3 exclusives for them in under 3 years (Spiderman, Miles Morales expansion and Ratchet Rift Apart).
Those games were clearly in development before Sony acquired them in 2019.
The Zenimax purchase was "a big cover up for lack of first party" but let me guess..the Insomniac purchase was a "welcome addition" right?
Raekwon26
Member
mejin
Member
Ratchet PS4 was developed in less than a year. I wouldn't be suprised if Rift Apart started in 2019. Anyway, even if Morales and Rift Apart started development before their acquisition they were already games in partnership with Sony which means they were already receiving first party treatment including early PS5 development kits.
And like I said the acquisition of Zenimax was a great move from MS since they killed two birds with one stone: the lack of first party support for Series S/X in due time and killed playstation versions in the process.
rapid32.5
Member
15 people worked on Senua's Sacrifice. Even if they doubled the team size it's gonna be a demanding and ambitious project with new engine UE5.
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abacab driver
Banned
What in the hell does The Last of Us for PS3 have to do with the 3 years we waited into the PS4's generation for Sony's 1st party to start firing on all cylinders (starting with Uncharted 4, then Horizon Zero Dawn the following year, etc)?
Every generation is a clean slate and we dont know exactly how long any game is/was in development for (especially when every development cycle is totally different from one game to the next).
I remember when my PS4 was being called the 'IndieStation' because the only decent 1st party games I had for 3 years (THREE) were Killzone Shadowfall and Knack at launch..followed by Infamous Second Son, Driveclub and Journey for the next 2 years (with Journey being the best of the bunch).
Nobody who spent their money on a PS4 at launch for Knack and Killzone said "This is fine because Gran Turismo 6 and The Last Of Us just came out recently for PS3!"
We moved on and simply had to be patient for new, higher quality product(s) for the PS4, period.
Covid wasn't around back then to slow things down, either.
abacab driver
Banned
Wow. If you believe even the smallest indie game is developed in less than a years time nowadays..(much less Ratchet PS4 which was a game developed in tandem with the film its based on), I have a bridge to sell you.
Astral Dog
Member
Woah i can't believe those graphics (?)
Astral Dog
Member
This is now the best videogame ever made, Ratchet Drift Apart had a good run
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Raekwon26
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Chiggs
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Dolomite
Member
You're tripping, Heavenly Sword was a masterpiece.