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Scorpio presentation pictured within AMD's Vega/Ryzen booth
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Who said that? Hopefully no one, and no one should expect that. Visual and preformance upgrades is pretty much all you are going to get.
Which isn't a bad thing.
The fucking CEO of AMD said that custom SoC designs were not happening until Q1 2018 (if I remember correctly). The Scorpio would be using a custom SoC. It's not happening.
JonathanPower
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He said he spoke to an actual insider who works for MS. So I wasn't referring to SenjutsuSage as the insider, but to the person he actually to spoke to at E3. And, I also remember a confirmed NeoGaf insider suggesting the same thing earlier, but I can't find the post. As I said, maybe Zen was the original plan, and maybe it still is. We will know for sure only when Scorpio will be revealed.
LostDonkey
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VR.
Bobnob
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AMD's 2018 starts.....
A brand new CPU arch is not necessary for 4K at all. However, it'd still be a huge benefit for open world games.
Jaguar Victory
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Stable frame rates. You see what a minor unlock did for the One S. Imagine more beef.
TheGreyHulk
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My bet is on it having zen. The whole phrase from the ceo about custom chips based on zen coming in 2018 did not specifically say anything. it was vague and not specific at all.
All signs seem to point to them using a custom chip with vega and i bet zen is involved in it.
Scorpio launches just right before 2018 and it's not farfetched to believe that scorpio would be zen based. We're talking about a billion+ $ contract for millions upon millions of chips. AMD would bend over backwards for that $.
All signs seem to point to them using a custom chip with vega and i bet zen is involved in it.
Scorpio launches just right before 2018 and it's not farfetched to believe that scorpio would be zen based. We're talking about a billion+ $ contract for millions upon millions of chips. AMD would bend over backwards for that $.
In 2018. Their actual fiscal year is similar to the traditional
MS's money is not different from anyone else's. If the semi custom designs are not going to be ready they are not going to be ready.
JonathanPower
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He would not be allowed to talk about Scorpio without MS permission even if it were to release tomorrow with a custom SoC design. Also, we already saw AMD tech coming earlier to consoles, e.g. unified architecture in the Xbox 360 GPU that was introduced much earlier than its PC counterpart.
Well, irrespective of anything else, that's a terrible argument. AMD has the CPU contract with or without Zen.
TheGreyHulk
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Read up on the AMD Ryzen cpu that's launching next wk. That is zen. It's a powerful CPU architecture that will be competing with intel's i7 class cpus.
Zen is magnitudes more capable than the shit tier jaguar cores which are cpus made for cheap netbooks. They're not even in the same league.
Custom SoC literally has nothing to do with PC. Unless the CEO of AMD is lying, it's not happening.
TheGreyHulk
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They didnt say they wont be ready. Just that custom solutions into 2018. Go look up her statement. Im on mobile. Lol
Yautja_Warrior
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I don't think Zen is needed, as long as they can stick in a Jaguar or Puma that isn't clocked at a low speed.
PS4 Pro has seen a nice bump with it's 2.1GHz CPU (up from 1.6GHz) so as long as MS stick in a CPU that is clocked at something like 2.5GHz - 3GHz, it should produce decent performance, without the extra cost that Zen will add.
PS4 Pro has seen a nice bump with it's 2.1GHz CPU (up from 1.6GHz) so as long as MS stick in a CPU that is clocked at something like 2.5GHz - 3GHz, it should produce decent performance, without the extra cost that Zen will add.
Jaguar Victory
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Jaguar doesn't clock that high from what I recall
"We can look to see semicustom designs going into the 2018, 2019 timeframe"
That means = not ready
Forza already gets 60fps on normal XB1. The GPU is only needed to get higher res
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Similar thought has been suggested by people who would be more in the know than you or I.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228989509
EDIT: Switched source since original source was GAF.
Dee Dah Dave
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Sure, that's what you would get which is nice. But it isn't going to make the Scorpio an entirely different machine like some seem to believe.
I know exactly what it is. As I said, if it did have one it would be one of the weakest ones possible most likely. Comparing it to the high end desktop parts is pointless.
But most games are being designed with Playstation 4 in mind, which is using Jaguar. Who would go out of their way to create a big open world game that doesn't work well on PS4?
If it's 60fps on og XB1 it'll be 60fps on Scorpio even if it had the exact same CPU with no upgrades.
Jaguar Victory
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The same people that release on PC?
Uhhhhhhh, you'd give each platform it's own development goals and make it the best you can for each platform.
Like most multi-plat games are made? What do you think they're doing with the PS4 Pro vs. the PS4?
The term next generation machine is nebulous in itself when your only talking in terms of power metrics, to say nothing of hyperbole, the guy said pro was half assed as well, which implies some sort of confrontational bias on his part in regards to MS and Sony
Yautja_Warrior
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I'm not sure either, maybe Puma does ? But I'm sure they could make a custom chip that is designed to run at higher clock speeds.
ALLseeingEYE
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One S had a GPU boost, not a CPU boost. If anything, your point supports the fact that a Scorpio that relies a lot more on a GPU than a CPU boost, is a solid choice.
Also, unless you are trying to push framerates past 60fps, which I sincerely doubt Scorpio will be aiming for outside of VR (which will be running at resolutions far lower than 4k anyways), then a CPU upgrade, while nice, is much less of a concern for Scorpio. If you look at PSVR on PS4 Pro, even that meager CPU upgrade is working out fine. We can at the very least expect Scorpio to have a faster CPU than PS4 Pro, and if anything, not moving to completely new CPU architecture could be the factor that allows Scorpio to still release at a great price point, if true.
I'm quite interested to see how this actually pans out.
JonathanPower
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Since when does AMD use consoles to illustrate their roadmap with regard to their upcoming tech?
Jaguar Victory
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You're right, it was only a GPU and ESRAM boost. I was thinking it was both.
LightOfTruth
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It would be pretty insane if they got Zen in this thing. Would definitely make it a monster that completely outclasses the Pro. But they'd have to eat shit on the cost to sell it at a reasonable price, I suspect.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
He clarified his Pro comments later, and Mahler always seems reasonable. He's not necessarily an unbiased source given Ori, but you're not going to find that when talking about Scorpio given little details we know. We do know that the rumors point to it being more powerful than even some originally thought.
My point was that there was evidence of the Scorpio being more of a next gen leap than the PS4 Pro.
Here are his comments clarifying the PS4 Pro comment. I tried to pick a source that didn't give much spotlight on those comments as I felt it may take away from the intention of his original post:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229101641&postcount=1009
Thank you
I really shouldn't post in this thread anymore and I definitely should have picked my wording more carefully... You never quite know which sentence a journalist might pick up on and might turn into a saucy headline that might infuriate fans of some platform.
This is the second time already that I took part in some discussion on GAF only to then see something I thought was a somewhat innocent comment (again, calling a platform half-assed definitely wasn't the nicest way of putting things, I know. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes my wording can come off as a bit rude) to blow up in my face after the press picked up on it. I'm just a dev who loves games and take part in these passionate discussions
Sorry if I offended anybody, wasn't my intention!
Do you think console SoC design is just some independent department at AMD that works in secrecy to develop these products?
Custom SoC are console territory. CEO of AMD said not until Q1 of 2018. Just stop.
clearly this guy is trolling
Didn't Spencer say all games on Scorpio except VR will run on the original Xbox One?
I'm just saying all games targeting Xbox and Playstation are with Jaguar in mind, so it's not like we'd see a new class of open world games if Scorpio did include Zen.
Scorpio is likely to have the least amount of market share of all the consoles. My gut instinct is that most devs will reuse as much as they can from what they're doing on PS4 Pro and leave it at that.
OdysseusVA
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JonathanPower
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Actually, they do work in secrecy; in fact, I am positive the all sign NDAs for not disclosing information about what they are developing for MS, and thus the CEO would not be allowed to talk about it.
LostDonkey
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No, he didn't.
I wish people wouldn't spread this. He said that Xbox One games and accesories will be compatible with Scorpio. That's it.
Electret
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This might be the tenth time I've seen this argument. Bit of a useless bump just to retread the same stuff.
So what did he mean by nobody left behind?
LostDonkey
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That by upgrading to scorpio none of your library or peripherals cease to work.
Don't expect to win over a lot of people with that quote is all I'm saying. If there is any other insiders with better track record and not second hand sources saying to expect Zen, then sure.
Jaguar Victory
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I don't think you have to leave people behind. Forza and GOW ran on xbox one fine and on PC @ 4k.
I meant secrecy in regarding to other departments in AMD. It's ridiculous hyperbole because Zen is not happening for Scorpio.
No matter how hard you wish it, it's not happening.
Well...yeah, but that says nothing about Zen is my main thrust, and more about Scorpio being stronger than Pro, which we already knew.
JonathanPower
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Are you dense? He isn't the actual insider I wasn't referring to. But you can keep pretending that's the case, if it better fits your narrative.
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