DeepEnigma
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But the sales aren't double launch aligned is my point.
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Satya Nadella: “Nearly half of the Xbox Series S buyers are new to our ecosystem”
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Its Nadella what do your think? Gamepass and Cloud gaming ofcourse
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TheGodfather07
Member
Yeah? I'm off to get some screwdrivers then.
marjo
Member
Do you think that every person who bought an Xbox One near launch must have bought a series console in the same timeframe?
... what
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes, that's exactly what I think. /s
No, that's not what I said. I would assume the adoption rate would not be "nearly half" with previous people moving over to the new gen, but they are probably waiting for XSXs or some moved on to the PC.
Issa joke.
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marjo
Member
Seems to me like you implied that if half the series S owners are new to the ecosystem, that would mean that Series sales should be double of Xbox one sales launch aligned, which is clearly wrong. If that's not what you were saying, great.
feynoob
Banned
How does that invalidate the sentence?
That sentence shuts down, the narrative that XSS was bad decision by MS. When in reality it brings new customers.
50% is not a joke number. That is 100k new customers in Japan.
It doesn't. Somebody just asked why he made a statement like that and didn't mention the Series X.
Topher
Gold Member
I knew what you meant, dude. Just messing with you.
DaGwaphics
Member
Obviously every Xbox one owner hasn't gone out and purchased a XSS.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
For shame. And they call themselves fans. Pfft.
feynoob
Banned
But the statement is about Xss. Especially when the device is under attack by social media.
They are justifying their decision.
XsX is a 500 console, and is no different than PS5. While XSS is a cheap console, which targets lower income people.
2 different audience.
MikeM
Member
I completely understand the target demographic. It does the job in the same way a base model Toyota Corolla does the job.
MOTM
Banned
Maybe. But I also don't imagine somebody wanting a PS5 and ending up ordering a Series S. Makes 0 sense.
MOTM
Banned
WTF?
Makes little sense to enthusiasts. But people just looking for something to do in the near future might be tempted by price and availability. And there will be plenty of parents, grandparents, etc., who buy the cheaper alternative as a present because of cost and/or availability.
feynoob
Banned
I dont know the point of his angle.
Gamepass is filled with casual games. And it even have kids games.
It's specifically designed for all kind of demographic players. It's not catered to 1 group.
feynoob
Banned
Those are the target for this device. People who usually have no idea about video games, and go by the price point.
I am expecting alot of kids getting this device from their parents.
feynoob
Banned
At least they have youtube, to watch the gameplay. Its less miserable.What a miserable Christmas. Imagine being a kid and not being able to play spider-man next year after Spider-verse 2 comes out
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Positive Xbox PR threads always brings out the zanies.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Exactly. MS is trying to expand the market. Having an affordable console and an outstanding value proposition with Game pass will put them in a much more competitive position than last generation.
chromhound
Member
Poor them...
reinking
Gold Member
This is why we need numbers to understand the marketing speak. We should see a significant increase in Game Pass on the console side right? Or is their ecosystem just logging in and setting up a console? Either way, it's not bad news.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Maybe the kid or someone in the house has a gaming computer so he can play the best version there.What a miserable Christmas. Imagine being a kid and not being able to play spider-man next year after Spider-verse 2 comes out
Win / win in my book.
feynoob
Banned
It should be new accounts, which is used on new xbox devices.
feynoob
Banned
If there is a gaming PC, I doubt they would buy xss, if they want to play spiderman.
It's mostly houses, which have single or few kids, and no older siblings.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
But if they still want boring open world games, they’ll have access to all the Bethesda games.What a miserable Christmas. Imagine being a kid and not being able to play spider-man next year after Spider-verse 2 comes out
Ezekiel_
Banned
OK, who's alt are you? Craig?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
That's interesting. Though, it doesn't say anything to what the ratio of total systems sold so far are Series S to Series X. Last I heard it was 40:60, has that changed?
If MS's own stated combined XBO + Series install base numbers (in that tweet they posted like a week ago) are true (the PS & Switch numbers were both wrong in that tweet btw), that would put Series at 13.16 million sold-through at the time of that tweet's data being compiled. So 40:60 Series S/Series X would mean 5.264 million for Series S and 7.896 million for Series X. And if half of Series S owners are new to the ecosystem, that equals 2.632 million.
Another way to say that, is MAYBE if it weren't for Series S existing, and MS just had Series X, they'd have a lot more Series X systems sold, but total numbers would likely be down by 2.632 million, down to 10.528 million. Which would have had Series X trending behind both the 360 and XBO time-aligned. That is a theoretical possibility though; it's also possible that if it were just Series X and more were available, those people jumping in with Series S would have picked up Series X. Maybe even more people would have bought a Series by this point if it were just Series X, as well.
Anyway, just something to think about given how MS give out this type of data.
It's basically his way of saying that 2.632 million people who otherwise may not have purchased an Xbox, did so because the Series S exists.
That's his assumption, anyway, even though it's based on data they have. Because there's no telling if those 2.632 million would have just ignored Series if only the X existed and Series X supply stayed the same (10.528 million LTD so far), or would have bought Series X units if more were available (13.16 million LTD).
There's no way to state which one of those outcomes would have came, at least not without knowing the ratio of S to X systems and what the shipped figures are at.
If MS's own stated combined XBO + Series install base numbers (in that tweet they posted like a week ago) are true (the PS & Switch numbers were both wrong in that tweet btw), that would put Series at 13.16 million sold-through at the time of that tweet's data being compiled. So 40:60 Series S/Series X would mean 5.264 million for Series S and 7.896 million for Series X. And if half of Series S owners are new to the ecosystem, that equals 2.632 million.
Another way to say that, is MAYBE if it weren't for Series S existing, and MS just had Series X, they'd have a lot more Series X systems sold, but total numbers would likely be down by 2.632 million, down to 10.528 million. Which would have had Series X trending behind both the 360 and XBO time-aligned. That is a theoretical possibility though; it's also possible that if it were just Series X and more were available, those people jumping in with Series S would have picked up Series X. Maybe even more people would have bought a Series by this point if it were just Series X, as well.
Anyway, just something to think about given how MS give out this type of data.
It's basically his way of saying that 2.632 million people who otherwise may not have purchased an Xbox, did so because the Series S exists.
That's his assumption, anyway, even though it's based on data they have. Because there's no telling if those 2.632 million would have just ignored Series if only the X existed and Series X supply stayed the same (10.528 million LTD so far), or would have bought Series X units if more were available (13.16 million LTD).
There's no way to state which one of those outcomes would have came, at least not without knowing the ratio of S to X systems and what the shipped figures are at.
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Kingfey
feynoob
Banned
I think you should be more concerned about those laughing emoji.
You seem to have impulsive behavior. Maybe a visit to therapy can help.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
feynoob
Banned
And I admit it to it.
I gave myself the help needed to recover.
It's why I am telling him that. I am not making fun of him.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The funny part is, he's a creation of team green when they used them originally to troll. He started doing it back, and they lost their collective minds. Cute, really.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Enjoy your creation, is all I'm saying.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Aye man I wasn't even posting in those days lol. I enjoy the boost in reaction score tho
saintjules
Member
Yeah I agree. In essence, the Series S has succeeded for Microsoft that way - getting more people into the ecosystem at a lower price point.
MarkMe2525
Member
This take is based at best out of ignorance, at worst out of ..... I'll stop as there is no need to be mean.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They've already got a pilot for a family plan running in a couple of countries. I have a feeling it'll get a formal reveal/release before the year is over.
Alan Wake
Member
Lol. Imagine having Game Pass during Christmas.What a miserable Christmas. Imagine being a kid and not being able to play spider-man next year after Spider-verse 2 comes out
Definitely. And my reply was not a critique towards Game Pass. I love Game Pass, have been a subscriber for over 5 years now.