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[S0ULZB0URNE]

My XBL Gold ran out just in time.

Now gotta do something with these consoles.

 

[adamsapple]

MS doesnt have the yearly option, unless they are doing specifically for this service.

All of this is rumor and hearsay at this point, let's wait for an official announcement.

 

[balls of snow]

Yep this is the way. I thought of just going xbox live and stopping my gamepass sub because of a torrent of shit to play this year but if they only offer gamepass basic with online play and I get upgrade to ultimate whenever I want, sure.

 

[fatmarco]

So what happens to the collection of Xbox One "Games with Gold" games that required you maintain your Xbox Live Gold account to access?

Are they now held hostage through your Gamepass subscription?

 

[CrustyBritches]

What would this mean for the 1:1 or 3:2 Gold conversion?? Fuck, my Ultimate expires this December.

I believe if you're new or lapsed you get the 3:2. For currently subscribed users they have a chart. You'll need to review the chart and find the best bang-for-buck with Gold/Ultimate deals found around the web.

Chart:

***That's assuming that this rumor is real, and that Gold is being done away with along with the conversion deal. This is still just a rumor.

P.S.- I'm assuming something like this will happen once the Activision deal goes through.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

That is nice and dandy, except this new service is basically that.


MS is essentially doing what they decided to do 2 and half years ago under different name.

Exactly what they are doing.

 

[aliadiere25]

So Microsoft is copying Sony’s PS+ tiers

Pretty much. To be honest, I said Game Pass was much better for value 18 months ago.... but I honestly feel that PS Plus, especially extra offers you better value. Game Pass may give you day 1 releases, but most of them aren't even that appealing for the most part. PS Plus do need to improve their Premium service, but I'm impressed with how much they've improved their service as a whole.

 

[twilo99]

But what happens if I buy Gold from a prepaid card today and activate on December?

That should still work.. there is a lot of gold codes out there that they would need to honer somehow

 

[jroc74]

Dude stop quoting a 2 year old article.

I can post a screen shot if you like?

This is from Xbox Live website...And anyone with an Xbox console can try and see if they can get a yearly sub.

If you dont think its real.....try it yourself.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

That would really suck for folks who are only want to pay $60/year so they can play online.

'- "Core" will cost the same as "Live Gold" ($9.99 per month / $59.99 per year).'

Looks like they'll still be able to

 

[Topher]

'- "Core" will cost the same as "Live Gold" ($9.99 per month / $59.99 per year).'

Looks like they'll still be able to

That's good. Bringing it into a Game Pass tier with the same pricing structure makes perfect sense.

 

[64bitmodels]

finally
Xbox Live has been an outdated service for a while ever since they went all in with the gamepass thing. Glad to see it's gone for good now.

All tiers should have console multiplayer though.... infact you shouldn't need to pay for it at all.

 

[93xfan]

So Microsoft is copying Sony’s PS+ tiers

Who copied the Xbox Live tier back in gen 7.

Full circle, huh?

 

[graywolf323]

it’d be interesting if this tier was just first party games? from the list that kinda appears to be what it is plus some select indies

 

[twilo99]

If you are doing the VPN thing, it might be time to preemptively get a few years of gold for future conversion.. or it might be too much of a gamble I dunno

 

[adamsapple]

That's good. Bringing it into a Game Pass tier with the same pricing structure makes perfect sense.

And lets them instantly increase the game pass subscriber count by million(s).

 

[clarky]

Wait....... so console tier doesn't come with online play? What if I want Gamepass and online play but I don't have a pc? I buy Core and console? That's more expensive than ultimate. Why do you need to pay for pc Gamepass if you'll never use it? Can't see this being correct.

 

[adamsapple]

Wait....... so console tier doesn't come with online play? What if I want Gamepass and online play but I don't have a pc? I buy Core and console? That's more expensive than ultimate. Why do you need to pay for pc Gamepass if you'll never use it? Can't see this being correct.

Console GP has never had online since the service started, for that you need either Live Gold (now core), or Ultimate. The only thing that's changed is the name, functionally it operates the same as it was before.

 

[clarky]

Console GP has never had online since the service started, for that you need either Live Gold (now core), or Ultimate. The only thing that's changed is the name, functionally it operates the same as it was before.

Really? I wouldn't know as I have ultimate (and a PC). Seems stupid not to include online with gamepass, actually its fucking stupid paying for online full stop.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Really? I wouldn't know as I have ultimate (and a PC). Seems stupid not to include online with gamepass, actually its fucking stupid paying for online full stop.

It’s not stupid, it’s a very calculated move that people will eat up. Microsoft and other big companies love doing this price laddering shit. Propose a very reasonable spectrum of options and tweak the offerings/price to skew things so the best value option most people will pick is a higher priced one, while offering a low cost shit option so you can advertise “beginning at X price”.


Microsoft always does shit like this to their enterprise software customers, it’s only natural they would try this as soon as they capture a gaming audience with game pass. It’s the only thing they know how to do.

 

[AJUMP23]

Probably the right move as Gold offerings has been less than stellar.

 

[sainraja]

Console GP has never had online since the service started, for that you need either Live Gold (now core), or Ultimate. The only thing that's changed is the name, functionally it operates the same as it was before.

The point he is trying to make is still a fair one; given that they are making changes, they should include online play with the console game pass tier. Tiers should build on the benefits offered by lower tiers... the game pass console option is just an odd way to do it.

 

[adamsapple]

The point he is trying to make is still a fair one; given that they are making changes, they should include online play with the console game pass tier. Tiers should build on the benefits offered by lower tiers... the game pass console option is just an odd way to do it.

No objections from me, if they ditch paid online, I'll welcome that with open arms.

 

[ZehDon]

.., That is nice and dandy, except this new service is basically that...

Ok, so you know you're wrong, but you won't admit it. Let's try it this way: this "new service" doesn't exist yet, but assuming it does, the rumour you're twisting up over lists an annual price that wouldn't be much different than the current one. So, if the rumour is correct, you're wrong. If the rumour is wrong, you're also wrong. Have a nice day.

 

[Antwix]

So what happens to the collection of Xbox One "Games with Gold" games that required you maintain your Xbox Live Gold account to access?

Are they now held hostage through your Gamepass subscription?

hopefully they'll do what the 360 games did... just add them outright to your account

 

[Kakax11]

This is some Ubisoft bullcrap

 

[ReBurn]

Finally putting games with gold out of its misery.

 

[93xfan]

You will need to start to pay for aquisitions my friend. The party is over.

Just begun, the party has.

 

[tusharngf]

I remember subscribing to gold just to play gears 2 MP but then i switched to PC full time. They gave me shitty indie games for free at that time.

 

[Robb]

About time they changed it.

 

[Sweden85]

Nice, no more free games only pure rentals. Awesome, hail Phil our supreme leader. We want less, give us less and it's more expensive for MP, looove it

 

[Jigsaah]

Information reportedly comes from Xbox's Korean website and a Windows Central article which has promptly been deleted.

Below summary via Era.




- 21 years after its creation, the term "Xbox Live" will be retired.
- "Xbox Live Gold" will be replaced with "Xbox Game Pass Core" on September 1, 2023.
- You will need to subscribe to the "Core" service to get online multiplayer and other benefits.
- "Core" will cost the same as "Live Gold" ($9.99 per month / $59.99 per year).
- All existing Live Gold subscribers will be converted to Core.
- The "Core" service offers 25+ Game Pass games: Among Us, Descenders, Dishonored 2, DOOM Eternal, Fable Anniversary, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, Forza Horizon 4, Gears 5, Grounded, Halo 5: Guardians, Halo Wars 2, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, Human Fall Flat, INSIDE, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Psychonauts 2, State of Decay 2, and The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited. (MS says this list will grow in the coming months)
- Free Games with Gold will also end on September 1.
- Free games previously earned with Live Gold will remain in users' accounts.
- "Core" subscribers will still receive the same discounts on purchases as Game Pass subscribers.

Think I'm gonna downgrade to PC Gamepass. Didn't realize it was so much cheaper.

Edit: Done.

 

[yurinka]

So basically MS copied the PS Plus Collection and the PS Plus+PS Now merge turning Live Gold into their own PS Plus Essential.

Finally putting games with gold out of its misery.

Seems that they are killing games with gold and replacing them with their own PlayStation Plus Collection

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Fucking lol that this new Core garbage is the same price as PC Game Pass.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Fucking finally!

Great news and a good deal. More growth incoming.

 

[Godot25]

Considering how bad GWG were for last year I would say that this is a good change.
Having chance to play Gounded, FH4 and Doom Eternal instead of...Darkwood and When the Past Was Around?

Yeah? Sounds like no-brainer.

 

[adamsapple]

Fucking lol that this new Core garbage is the same price as PC Game Pass.

It's Live Gold's replacement with the same price. PC Game Pass was the same price when Core was Live Gold.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

It's Live Gold's replacement with the same price. PC Game Pass was the same price when Core was Live Gold.

Even bigger oof that Gold was the same price as full Game Pass on PC. Microsoft treating Xbox owners as second class citizens.

 

[mrmustard]

Gold games are dead anyways, that's a good choice.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The devil is in the details. This is a sneaky price increase.

Xbox Live Gold does not have a yearly option on the Xbox website.

Amazon etc. sells older inventory of 12-month cards.

Game Pass just does not have a 12-month yearly option at all - for either Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate.

So at $10 per month, Game Pass Core will become $120 per year. This is the same thing as upping the price of Xbox Live Gold to $120 p/y, which Xbox did previously try and fail.

Another point to note is the new 3:2 conversion ratio.

If you buy Game Pass Core for $120 per year and then convert it into Game Pass Ultimate using the 3:2 conversion ratio, it turns out to be almost $180 per year for Game Pass Ultimate.

People will soon realize that it is not a good deal for those who use XBLG to upgrade to Game Pass

 

[Valkyria]

What kind of Stockholm syndrome has the people happy about this news? Instead of making Microsoft accountant for the shitty games the have releasing on the service (4 per month) they cheer the saving of those games paying the same and having a few bones throw are them.
With this kind of response Microsoft it’s gonna nickel and dime all of you for the Activision acquisition.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Dude stop making MS look bad.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Banjo64]

9.99 is terrible but if the 12 month subscription is staying at that price point it’s miles better than Gold.

 

[bender]

Game Pass Core will become $120 per month.

Still the best deal in gaming.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I'm assuming something like this will happen once the Activision deal goes through.

“Consolidation will totally be pro consumer, we will not start squeezing customers for it right away” … juicy…just juicy…

 

[Heisenberg007]

9.99 is terrible but if the 12 month subscription is staying at that price point it’s miles better than Gold.

Yeah, but will it? No Game Pass plan offers a yearly purchase, not even at the same price, let alone at 50% of the monthly price.

 

[Klosshufvud]

Fucking finally!

Great news and a good deal. More growth incoming.

Yes what a great deal, pay $10 a month just to access peer-to-peer online multiplayer on your $70 game. Meanwhile phone games sold for $5 has all free online.

I can't believe how long these greedy assholes have gotten away charging for basic online multiplayer. It's a crucial part of a game being tied to an arbitrary, poorly excused pay wall. This is a joke.

 

[Banjo64]

Yeah, but will it? No Game Pass plan offers a yearly purchase, not even at the same price, let alone at 50% of the monthly price.

If there is no yearly option, Xbox have really fucked up what should be quite a simple, streamlined offering.

9.99 for online and free games. 10.99 for no online and free games.

 

[Fredrik]

So the same price on everything and they can say that a sub starts at $10/month and they will automatically add all the subscribers from XBLG so they can now claim that Game Pass™ without detailing the tiers now have 120+ million subscribers?

Clever.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Worst service ever finally coming to an end.