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Rise of the Tomb Raider's garbage combat
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Shin-Ra
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make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
That's input lag.
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dragonzdogma
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I did play the one on ps3 , just called tomb raider, and I had no issues with the controls
does anyone know if it plays the same or similar or is the OP right on this?
does anyone know if it plays the same or similar or is the OP right on this?
ViewtifulJC
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ViewtifulJC
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^My old rival, we meet again
Memories. Hopefully Hellblade doesn't end up like that
The Bookerman
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I still don't understand how Rise of the Tomb Raider got over Witcher 3 in Giant Bomb's Top 10 of 2015 list.
TheChewyWaffles
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I was wondering why it felt "off" compared to the first game.
If you slow it down to .25 speed, you can see that you let go of the stick before the camera even begins to move.
This is actually great evidence for the existence of significant input lag. More power to you if it doesn't bother you.
EDIT: Beaten by gifs.
7DollarHagane
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I think it's a combination of input lag and dead zone.
Because you move the stick, the game does nothing for a moment, then instantly moves at the maximum speed in the direction you pressed.
There doesn't appear to be any kind of smoothness to the aiming. You constantly overshoot the target.
Because you move the stick, the game does nothing for a moment, then instantly moves at the maximum speed in the direction you pressed.
There doesn't appear to be any kind of smoothness to the aiming. You constantly overshoot the target.
synce
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Holy shit. How drunk do you have to be while playing to not notice this
apieceofstrange
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I just finished the game a few days ago. Usually I'm pretty sensitive to input lag, but it didn't bother me too much in this game. My tv has really low input lag so that might have helped. I played stealth for the most part, but fighting wolves and those heavily armored guys that rush you down were kind of a pain. Shotgun was pretty much the only viable solution in those encounters.
theDeeDubs
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Input lag usually bothers me, but I had no issues here. Head shots were super easy when I wasn't going stealth.
DeadlyParasite
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I read this and booted up my savefile. Didn't notice any input delay. Was able to beat the game 100% on survival without any issues with the combat (of which I enjoyed) so I'm not really sure what to say about this. I'm playing on an old Samsung PC monitor if that makes a difference.
Exactly. I bought a 18 ms input lag TV because 30 is too much for me but this guy says 200 ms is ok. Turn off your TV for better experience.
If I slow down Titanfall it does that, or any game, there is always input lag of some sort, consoles don't poll the controller at 0 ms and TVs and monitors don't operate at 0 MS.
You guys post gifs as if they should match up 1:1 when nothing does that.
Here, a game nobody is ever going to claim controls like shit:
https://youtu.be/ycjto4Oo2rE
Yeah, it's lower, in a game that runs at twice the framerate and I've STILL let go of the stick before it starts to move, because you're slowing shit down to the point that you think you're making a point, but you're not. Feel free to go 'scientifically' test this with any game.
kamineko
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To me it felt more like a dead zone thing. Yeah, I'm looking at the GIFs & don't dispute them, but the feel for me was too all or nothing. I lowered stick sensitivity & it felt better for me. I realize this is a highly subjective thing.
CD needs to fix it on X1, and this sure as hell shouldn't be in the PC port. I dunno if I'd call it garbage tier though. My biggest complaint about the combat is the emphasis it gets in the endgame...
CD needs to fix it on X1, and this sure as hell shouldn't be in the PC port. I dunno if I'd call it garbage tier though. My biggest complaint about the combat is the emphasis it gets in the endgame...
It doesn't have the niche titles but you can get most 360/XB1 and PS3/4 exclusives and other 3th party games (MGS V, The Witcher, AC Syndicate) relatively easily and sometimes very quickly, depending on the game. I rented the Order 1886, TLoU, and Infamous Second Son from my library to play over winter break. The loan lasts for 3 weeks. It's amazing.
I may have been a bit too harsh but I've played so many games with good controls that I just cannot tolerate this BS. Jumping from Halo 5 and CSGO on pc to...this? Ugh.
I'm playing through a capture card that has negligible amount of lag and on a PC monitor that has 100hz refresh and negligible lag. I can easily tell when there's lag in games, and this game has plenty, unlike other games I play through the capture card.
Stop blaming it on the TV as a way to deflect from the shortcomings of the game.
I thought it was super obvious just from the YouTube video you posted proving it isn't. Your bow is trailing behind your stick movement even at full speed.
It has a large deadzone, there is a difference. If it had input lag it wouldn't be relegated to people having trouble aiming in combat, you wouldn't be able to do basic shit like jump without feeling it.
Mock the video within the video if you want, but the titanfall one I posted is to prove a point: that happens in every game. It's merely a matter of how much. Just like in the DF gif - The 360 one is trailing well behind as well, because every game does, the more you slow your footage down the more it becomes apparent.
yes very video game has input lag, no one is arguing against that. the point is that the input lag in rise of the tomb raider on xbox one is worse than average and, for some people, hurts the game.
the 360 vs. xbox one gif illustrates the fact that the lag on the xbox one version is worse than the 360 version which is baffling
NullPointer
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Wowfunhappy
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Might be beyond the scope of this topic, but can anyone explain what generally causes input lag like this? Other than frame drops and TV's themselves, of course.
What developer decisions would cause one game to have more input lat than another? It essentially has nothing to do with graphics/computing power, right?
What developer decisions would cause one game to have more input lat than another? It essentially has nothing to do with graphics/computing power, right?
When the analog was flicked it was harder to tell, but as you're rotating I can definitely see the onscreen being quite behind the controller.
Again, it's a deadzone not input lag. Difference is the tender way DF pushes their sticks. Same reason you can go to any part where I'm flicking the stick in my video and it's only about 3 frames of scientific phone camera between. Or the part where I've got it pushed all the way and rotating it, it's very slight like any other game.
ugh_the_boot
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That basically is corruption, when you have to lie to serve your own agenda.
Primethius
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One of these was enough. Now there's two of you?
Good god!
One of these was enough. Now there's two of you?
Good god!
I'm not even mad. I respect a man with a feature length donkey dong avatar.
omg yes they are.....it makes the game very fucking annoying and its the reason I haven't finished it. Hopefully its fixed on PC if not, I know damn well someone will mod it.
SmoothRunningGun
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Yep.
FunkyPajamas
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Ah, so that explains that. I got through a lot of fighting in the game and was going to say I didn't notice it but I played on 360 at a friend's house.
Aiming did feel a bit off, but to be honest I didn't play with the sensitivity before sitting down with the game so I attributed that to it.
WordsintheWater
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I thought it would get better as I got used to it, but it stayed sluggish throughout. Combat never felt right in this game, unless you're going around stealth killing everything. Good thing the rest of the package was so well done.
SRTtoZ
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Wow you just read my mind. I'm probably 70% through the game and man the combat is SO bad compared to the first game. You can't aim for shit and I'm using an 8ms monitor and the lag is still bad. Another thing I'm noticing is the game is insanely easy. I don't really understand why there are medkits in the game when it has regenerating health as well? Poison arrows and the explosion ones especially when upgraded make encounters super easy. They also went overboard with the amount of collectibles almost bordering on Ubisoft territory.
I totally agree with all this, especially the part about the med kits/bandages. Survivor mode is a joke.
This is my criticism too with the combat encounters. AI is dumb, weak, and the player is overpowered. When people whine about other shooters and praise TR's combat, I assume they just want to steamroll through the enemies.
chromatic9
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You're inventing stuff here. No one is saying it has to be 1-1 0ms. The delay is excessive in the Xbox One version. It's considerably longer.
Have you not read eurogamers articles, or listened to the video?
Can you see here that the Xbox One gets a head start, stick all the way over and still lags behind 360?
All you've proven so far is you're fine with this amount of lag. All games lag from input to action, the distinction is how long.