thats a full on handheld tho, not just game pass.It costs £349
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PlayStation Earbuds and Project Q Announced Announced - 8 inch screen remote device
midnightAI
Gold Member
To be fair, the dual sense doesn't have $70 worth of parts in it, they make a lot of money out of controller sales.
I expect it between $100 and $150, any more than that and I doubt it would sell very well. I'd probably still buy it though as it would get loads of use in this household between me and the kids.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Hasn’t it got the power of like a Nokia 3310? It’s essentially a streaming tablet but not locked in to xCloud.
Reallink
Member
Problem is they'll be looking for similar margins on this. It's a supplementary accessory playing existing PS5 games, not a loss leader they'll make up by selling software.
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GenericUser
Member
I have a wired connection and I tried to play path of exile maybe a year ago via remote play. It was unplayable laggy. Don't know if things improved since then.
THE DUCK
Banned
Agreed, which means unfortunately probably $199. Which is unfortunate because instead of trying to make $50 on it they could make it a very popular addition to thier ecosystem. Although who knows, we can still dream......
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I tried HFW in performance mode on my Deck using Chiaki and it looks and plays great. Input latency felt like quality/30fps mode.
On my iPhone using PS Remote Play app and Razer Kishi it was playable with occasional micro stutter when panning the camera quickly. The Kishi plugs directly into the phone, so there’s not the added input latency of Bluetooth on top of the latency from streaming.
GHG
Gold Member
I bet it ends up being priced very close to the Switch OLED as well.
Anyone who buys this thing needs their head examined.
No it's fucking not.
Anyone who buys this thing needs their head examined.
No it's fucking not.
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TrebleShot
Member
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
If it's just a glorified controller with a screen then max I'd pay is about £100. Sony will rip the arse out it and want like £200-300 lol.
GHG
Gold Member
See, this is why we have the problems that we do.
For $50 more you can get a real handheld from valve. It plays pretty much everything and anything you could want it to. It will also stream from the PS5, work with xCloud etc if that's what you really need (you don't).
For the same price (or less at the right retailer) you can get a real handheld with an OLED screen from Nintendo.
And yet here you are calling some streaming focused abomination "fantastic". Ridiculous.
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TrebleShot
Member
Have you tried it?
Someone asked me of my opinion on steam deck vs G cloud and I posted this:
So in terms of streaming there are a few reasons why I prefer it.
- I feel as though I am almost cheating, I have very high FPS, around 60 and on other devices such as the iPhone and macbook pro I can go to 120 fps from games on my PC, usually with supersampling down to my devices native res.
- I love the idea of saves carrying over from device to device and streaming essentially enables that there is continuity between all of my devices I can literally play the same game on any device regardless of platform if it has a screen and the app then we are good to go.
- The screens on most of my devices are better than the SD by orders of magnitude , for example the logitech g cloud screen is absolutely incredible.
- The tech is there, I have of course a great connection but I was in cyprus recently which is almost 3k miles from home and the wifi was a bit dodgy and it was still decent enough to play Ive also had the same experience with data.
- The tech is getting better and seems to accelerating at an exponential rate.
Slicker than your average
Member
Nice idea I just don't think people give a fuck about leaving their ps5 on and going out of the house to stream games to it.
It's likely to be Wifi 6 like the PS5 which is standardised/new and actually a good thing.
If you fear the increased hops from connecting to a router just use wifi direct to connect and you have something that actually surpasses WiiU's video streaming in every way.
The PS5 can be put into rest mode when turned off. Remote play automatically turns the ps5 on and you can put it back into rest mode from remote play. It's like having access to it physically.
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Tams
Gold Member
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Everything you are saying would be true... if this thing cost anything over $200. But even then though, its debatable...being there are controllers that cost more than $200.
I do not think it would cost more than $200. And it's what I have been saying since rumors of this thing started making the rounds. But the key thing here is this...its a controller.
And I think most people, you included, are just making this thing out to be more than what it really is. It's not some sort of ecosystem-improving thing, it's not some sort of new gaming platform... it honestly is no more special than you buying a third-party or pro controller for your PS5. And this is what I have been calling it since last month or so. It's just a different kinda controller.
Some people would buy the Dualsense Edge because they want back buttons, trigger stops, and customizations... and that's pretty much it right? How is this any different from that? Some people will buy this because it means they can play their PS5 anywhere they have an internet connection.
The thing is a fucking controller with a screen, basic ARM SOC, probably like 2-3GB of RAM, a bigger battery, wifi radio... and that's it. You can use it as a normal controller for your PS5, or you can use it for remote pay when you are away from your TV or your home.
Simple.
I said this about 3 weeks ago.
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chilichote
Member
If you can only use it to stream PS5 content at home, then the thing is unnecessary. If you can stream anything with it, even without a PS5 (PS Now, Luna, etc.), then that might be interesting. On the other hand, I can also do this with my smartphone and a controller.
GHG
Gold Member
I really don't need to.
On average i get around 3 hours of battery life on my Deck, 4 hours + on the Switch OLED and you're going to tell me that's not enough?
I've also had zero heat or noise issues with either device and would much prefer to play my games on a native device without needing to concern myself with latency/connection issues. We are not the same people.
Tams
Gold Member
Ummm, you do realise that there's an entire industry out there of earbuds? Including from a leading audio brand called... Sony.
Honestly, I think the product would be more appealing if they released an official specialised Playstation screen that hooks on to a dualsense or dualsense edge for streaming. They could have released that for cheaper too so people are more likely to impulse buy it. They wanted to make money from it though so I don't see this frankenstien being cheaper than $180 with the controller and tablet together. Margin is probably higher.
TrebleShot
Member
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Have to disagree with you. What would have been a Frankenstein would be anything that remotely looks like you hooking up a screen to a dualsense controller.
This is the most elegant way to do something like this, and it's perfectly fine for exactly what it's supposed to be. As I keep saying... its just a different kinda controller.
If I am being honest, what I don't like is that I feel this is what the Dual sense edge should have been. Build in everything that they put in the edge, but add a screen to it. And then price it at $200.
Fair point about the tablet hooking up to a controller not being elegant looking at all. On the other hand though when used as just a controller I think this is far more frankenstein. Bet that the rumble will feel odd too with the hands (actuators) so far apart.
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GHG
Gold Member
Much better than what? It's an LCD screen. Other than the higher resolution (which doesn't make much difference on a device of this size) there is little difference between them (provided you're actually doing an apples to apples comparison - glossy screen vs glossy screen).
If you want to compare it to the Switch OLED's screen then it's no contest.
Better than what. The deck or the switch?
Ar¢tos
Member
Many people happily pay for that!
Spaceman292
Banned
It's fine. Just take the screens that you use the least and throw them right into the ocean. Then you can buy this.
Roxkis_ii
Member
Project q seems so pointless. Most people have cellphones, tablets or a laptop. Also, if this thing has the same analog sticks as the normal controller, look forward to drift in 6 months, expect it going to cost hundreds of dollars to replace instead of 80.
The low latency earbuds do peak my interest, but if they are priced similar to other Sony earbuds, I sleep.
The low latency earbuds do peak my interest, but if they are priced similar to other Sony earbuds, I sleep.
Kamina
Golden Boy
i know, but i really liked the new design
Chukhopops
Gold Member
But is it confirmed this thing even works with server-based Cloud gaming? Maybe I missed it but it looks like it only does remote play.To be honest, this looks nothing more than: We don't know what to do with Playstation Now + let's put in some use the returned DualSense in warranty.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
playstation q lite is utter ''console'' stupidity.
Sony Interactive Entertainment has announced a new PlayStation streaming portable device, ‘Project Q’.
Announced during a PlayStation Showcase event on Wednesday, Project Q is described as “a dedicated device that enables you to stream any game form your PS5 console using remote play over wi-fi”.
According to SIE, the device has an 8-inch 1080p HD screen and all the buttons and features of the DualSense wireless controller.
They should make a PS Vita 2 or a Psp 2.
midnightAI
Gold Member
Bulky doesn't mean large and unweildy?
Tams
Gold Member
Yes, but it's in context.
A Steam Deck is not 'big', but compared to a Switch, other handhelds, and even other handheld gaming PCs, it is.
The controller parts of Project Q, being literal DualSense controllers, will be big compared to say Logitech's offering or using a phone or tablet with a side attachment. So yes, it will be bulky.
stranno
Member
Video only talks about remote play, but I suppose it will be expanded to PSNow. It's just a video player, why not.
FrankWza
Member
They don't have dual functionality though. Getting quality wireless earbuds plus a mic to work on PS5 with low latency requires some work around and additional adapters. This would be more convenient. Plus these would pair nicely with PSVR2 so triple function really
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the PlayStation Bluetooth earbuds are coming later this year with “new wireless technology developed by SIE” to offer lossless audio and low latency
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Kadve
Member
Right. Still DOA though
midnightAI
Gold Member
But that's where comfort comes into it, a dual sense controller (heck, any regular sized controller) is a lot more comfortable than steam deck and infinitely more comfortable than the switch controls and phone attachments. So it is larger and 'bulkier' due to the controller, yes, but it.will be very comfortable to hold unlike those others.
It may look like a quick hack job to some, but to me it's the perfect solution for in home use due to it literally being a full dual sense controller with a large screen.
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Tams
Gold Member
True, true.
I still think it would have been better if the controller parts were detachable.
rofif
Gold Member
I don’t see the problem with dual sense use. It’s the best controller and they will have the features like triggers.
It’s only a device to use around the house mainly. No need to have it portable.
I think it would be awesome if games used it to display something while you play on real tv
It’s only a device to use around the house mainly. No need to have it portable.
I think it would be awesome if games used it to display something while you play on real tv
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Chukhopops
Gold Member
I agree, if it can do remote play it should be able to do Cloud. I just find it odd that it wasn't mentioned, maybe it's waiting for the official ability to play PS5 games from the Cloud?
Tams
Gold Member
I agree, if it can do remote play it should be able to do Cloud. I just find it odd that it wasn't mentioned, maybe it's waiting for the official ability to play PS5 games from the Cloud?
I have rofif on ignore so...
Chukhopops
Gold Member
My point was those are things Nintendo did already for the WiiU (the second screen) and the Switch (detachable controllers), hence the deja vu feel.