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PlayStation DualSense May be Getting Official Firmware Support on PC

jaysius

Member
Good luck getting PC developers to waste time on all the rumbly programing for a small audience. I suppose maybe the few Sony first party games could support it, if they people can be bothered to port that over.
 

Ev1L AuRoN

Member
How were you measuring the latency?

I'm just asking because I had the official DS4 dongle for PC and it gave me about 8-10ms on a DS4.v2 according to DS4Windows, the Dualsense on a generic BT apapter I bought is generally around 1-2ms using same measurement tool. If I turn off v-sync in a game with no/a minimal amount of animation blending it feels ultra responsive, more so than the DS4 but I think thats also down to the sticks having less natural deadzone with the Dualsense
I think the ds4windows have a latency monitor... I honestly never measure my latency using a cheap BT adapter and the dual sense. It's lower enough to not be an issue, so I don't bother checking.
 

cozomel

Member
What are they updating on these controllers anyway? Better battery use? Improved deadzone, less lag? What?
 

Paulistano

Member
How were you measuring the latency?

I'm just asking because I had the official DS4 dongle for PC and it gave me about 8-10ms on a DS4.v2 according to DS4Windows, the Dualsense on a generic BT apapter I bought is generally around 1-2ms using same measurement tool. If I turn off v-sync in a game with no/a minimal amount of animation blending it feels ultra responsive, more so than the DS4 but I think thats also down to the sticks having less natural deadzone with the Dualsense
I think the difference between DS4 and Dualsense is that one is BT 2.0 and the other is 5.1, and 5.1 is much better.
 

Kuranghi

Gold Member
What are they updating on these controllers anyway? Better battery use? Improved deadzone, less lag? What?

Increasing the volume of the magic bean juice ofc!

Yeah who knows man, probably improved lag and battery life I'd bet. The DZ is pretty fantastic anyway, but maybe the update accounts for drift and adjusts the DZ to compensate somehow, not sure how that would work though.
 

Midn1ght

Member
If it's a option for you, you may look into an Intel Ax210 or newer with an adaptor for pci express + usb header (bought mine on aliexpress).

I use it on my desktop and it works perfectly without issues.

Thanks, I'll give it a look.

How were you measuring the latency?

I'm just asking because I had the official DS4 dongle for PC and it gave me about 8-10ms on a DS4.v2 according to DS4Windows, the Dualsense on a generic BT apapter I bought is generally around 1-2ms using same measurement tool. If I turn off v-sync in a game with no/a minimal amount of animation blending it feels ultra responsive, more so than the DS4 but I think thats also down to the sticks having less natural deadzone with the Dualsense
I never measured it. How far are you from the BT Adapter?

Mine is a 4.0 BT Adapter at roughly 8 feet from the adapter (sofa).
Using the Series X Controller with the official dongle is a smooth experience, never felt any input delay or disconnection.
Using the Dualsense, I instantly notice input delay and also experience random disconnection. Getting closer to the dongle makes it better but not perfect.

I just didn't look further into it, I use the Series X Controller in the Sofa and the DS wired in the office.
 

Kuranghi

Gold Member
Thanks, I'll give it a look.


I never measured it. How far are you from the BT Adapter?

Mine is a 4.0 BT Adapter at roughly 8 feet from the adapter (sofa).
Using the Series X Controller with the official dongle is a smooth experience, never felt any input delay or disconnection.
Using the Dualsense, I instantly notice input delay and also experience random disconnection. Getting closer to the dongle makes it better but not perfect.

I just didn't look further into it, I use the Series X Controller in the Sofa and the DS wired in the office.

Yeah, its probably the distance then, I'm 5 feet away from the adapter with line-of-sight and its great but if my mate uses a BT connected DS4/DS one about 10-12 feet away then its laggy and disconnects even. That was with the generic adapter, the DS4 official one was fine at that distance.
 

Dolodolo

Member
Of course it is, PSVR2 is going to be for the PC also because if it's for PS5 alone it's dead on arrival. Sony understands this. They're building PSVR 2 for the PC as much as they're building it for PS5.
How does this logic even work?
Where is there any evidence that Psvr 2 will work on PC?
Did you dream something? Share it with us
 

sainraja

Member
That percentage only covers the warrant period. I don't believe for a second that only a small percentage of game pads break through the duration of a gen. I might be the case for people don't use their controllers daily.
I still have all my DS4 controllers without any issues and any of my XB1 controllers without any issues.
 

XXL

Member
I can't play games properly anymore because of the drift. The character and camera just moves all over the place. The haptics also gave me carpal tunnel.
 

Ev1L AuRoN

Member
I still have all my DS4 controllers without any issues and any of my XB1 controllers without any issues.
I had 4 DS4's, I had drift with 1 unity, the other the battery died. I only have one XB1 pad and still works fine, I did increase a bit of the dead zone on the right analog though, my original joycons had drift with only six months.
 

JaksGhost

Member
Good luck getting PC developers to waste time on all the rumbly programing for a small audience. I suppose maybe the few Sony first party games could support it, if they people can be bothered to port that over.
Or they can just port it over as an option from the PS5 version. We already played the "No Developer is Going to Use DualSense..." game at the beginning of this gen and many lost seeing how it's still being supported across a large portion of games. Take WRC10 for example the developer can just bring over the code from the PS5 version and just apply it as a setting in the menu.
 

Paulistano

Member
Thanks, I'll give it a look.


I never measured it. How far are you from the BT Adapter?

Mine is a 4.0 BT Adapter at roughly 8 feet from the adapter (sofa).
Using the Series X Controller with the official dongle is a smooth experience, never felt any input delay or disconnection.
Using the Dualsense, I instantly notice input delay and also experience random disconnection. Getting closer to the dongle makes it better but not perfect.

I just didn't look further into it, I use the Series X Controller in the Sofa and the DS wired in the office.
Dualsense uses BT5.1 if you're using a BT4.0 you're not using its full potential.
 

sainraja

Member
I had 4 DS4's, I had drift with 1 unity, the other the battery died. I only have one XB1 pad and still works fine, I did increase a bit of the dead zone on the right analog though, my original joycons had drift with only six months.
If we're counting, I've had a total of 10 controllers. Only 2 of those didn't get good use. You might wonder why in the world I would get 10 controllers but they were special edition ones/or different color and I did use them. Kinda wish I had just kept them wrapped.
 
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sainraja

Member
Bought my ds day one for pc use,got a ps5 9 months later,it's a cool gadget for pc use, currently I use ds4windows and dualsence x ,it's been awesome playing Forza 5 with adaptive triggers, though it needed alot of setup,and the radio music comes through the controller pretty neat
I love it when developers use the mic on the controller. I am hoping Bungie implements that with Destiny 2.
 
Dualsense uses BT5.1 if you're using a BT4.0 you're not using its full potential.
Is there a specs document or any other source for this?
Because I don't think that's true. Not so far anyway.
I have BT 5.1 on both my desktop PC and my mobile and the connection is still BT4 on those.
 

Paulistano

Member
Is there a specs document or any other source for this?
Because I don't think that's true. Not so far anyway.
I have BT 5.1 on both my desktop PC and my mobile and the connection is still BT4 on those.

You'll see this info everywhere stating that the BT version is 5.1, but to find the official statement from Sony is rather tricky but I did found the specifications from Peru's FCC like regulator, and they clearly say it's a BT5.1 you can see it here: https://rehusac.mtc.gob.pe/Home/OIMGEQU?nidregistro=2000631

Are you really sure your BT version is 5.1? Can you check it on Device Manager -> Bluetooth -> Select your BT adapter > Advanced and see if your firmware shows as at least LMP 9?

This is my Intel AX210 it's a BT5.2 as you can see:

LMP9 is BT5.0, LMP10 is BT5.1 and LMP 11 is BT5.2

To my knowledge you can't see what version the device currently connected is.

Just to be sure update your dualsense firmware because early ones have various problems and you are lucky because you now can update it on a Windows PC, after the firmware update try and download DS4Windows here https://github.com/Ryochan7/DS4Windows/releases install it and open and see if your controller is showing there if it is click edit and go to controller readings, here the input latency shows and you can compare it to mine (it works wonderfully here):

Latency while idle:

Latency while pressing buttons and moving analogs:
 
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You'll see this info everywhere stating that the BT version is 5.1, but to find the official statement from Sony is rather tricky but I did found the specifications from Peru's FCC like regulator, and they clearly say it's a BT5.1 you can see it here: https://rehusac.mtc.gob.pe/Home/OIMGEQU?nidregistro=2000631

Are you really sure your BT version is 5.1? Can you check it on Device Manager -> Bluetooth -> Select your BT adapter > Advanced and see if your firmware shows as at least LMP 9?

This is my Intel AX210 it's a BT5.2 as you can see:

LMP9 is BT5.0, LMP10 is BT5.1 and LMP 11 is BT5.2

To my knowledge you can't see what version the device currently connected is.

Just to be sure update your dualsense firmware because early ones have various problems and you are lucky because you now can update it on a Windows PC, after the firmware update try and download DS4Windows here https://github.com/Ryochan7/DS4Windows/releases install it and open and see if your controller is showing there if it is click edit and go to controller readings, here the input latency shows and you can compare it to mine (it works wonderfully here):

Latency while idle:

Latency while pressing buttons and moving analogs:
Bit of a late reponse, but I re-checked. Both my BT5 dongle and the mobile phone are BT5.0, not 5.1 as I remembered.

I also recall a while ago, checking for the services advertised by the controller (during a BT scan) and the fast data rates of BT5 were missing. But I'm now on the latest firmware, after updating with this new process, and I can no longer check on the advertised services. Something changed, or I'm misremembering, as I'm dealing with many BT devices as part of my work.
 
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