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PlayStation 4 Pro Reviews
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PackAPunchedMick
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Isn't that for like 3 seconds?
Inceptional
Member
That makes sense and would also feed into what I said as well, I just think they don't want to throw the PS4 version under the bus either since that's the platform it's selling like gang-busters on. The Xbox deal makes sense too but I think it's just about sales and perception in general.
Checkerboard Render
Banned
This argument has been made before, and it's an inherent problem with a system that's often used by multiple people.
You have a conflict between the nature of a console and tying a potentially critical compatibility flag deep within the menus. Now if you make it more easily accessible, you then run the risk of it being flagged accidentally. if you try to nestle it deep within more advanced options, then you run the risk of a family member who's not aware that their brother enabled this and tries to play their game and not understand what the heck is going on when it won't run.
I wouldn't have a problem with this. Most of GAF likely wouldn't. But I think people seriously overestimate peoples tolerance for shit-not-working with respect to consoles and underestimate the appeal of not having to worry about critical settings affecting games actually running for the console crowd. It's why you get gaffers arguing that a DIY PC is such an 'obvious' choice over a console because it can get better framerates, there's an inherent bubble enthusiasts on forums like this live in with respect to the technical acumen they're willing to accustom themselves to in order to have a better entertainment experience. Most people just aren't willing to do that.
...so now you've just made Sony the QA dept for third parties (at least more than they already are).
Which is different from creating a patch, how? They have to do the same QA, and to be accepted as a Pro-enabled patch all they have to do is enable supersampling.
As devs here have said themselves, people are grossly underestimating the important/time-sink involved with QA. Regardless, these last two scenarios are just so close to the current system of requiring a patch to enable Pro support I don't see the point.
We know it's inherently more than 'possible' as Cerney has himself stated they've already experimented with this and went this route for compatibility.
I don't understand what this means. How are console games 'flexible' with regards to differing hardware? What evidence is there of this? Please don't use the Xbox S with it's 2% frame uptick in a handful of games, please no.
pixelation
Member
I think the guy you quoted was talking about the XBO S though...
Checkerboard Render
Banned
I think he knows that and his response was a snarky rejoinder to a trollish post.
What are disks?
Unless you can sell it at a good price, going from a 980 Ti to a 1070 makes little sense, even for the reasons you mentioned
Either stick with the 980 Ti or sell it to buy a Pro if you really don't wanna have multiple platforms and prefer console gaming
This just took me back to the sound and time a floppy drive would take
pixelation
Member
So what is the purpose of coming over to the Pro thread to drop logs on it?, if you're so enamoured with the other box then head over to its official thread and praise it over there.
I do not coincide with your choice... why?, games... u don't need an XBO to play most of their exclusives and if you really care that much about the IQ then you're better off building a good rig. U can't say the same about Playstation exclusives now can you?... i thought so.
Yeah, going from a 980Ti to a 1070 wouldn't really be a big gain.
I'd wait for a 1080Ti before switching.
I'm sure this is a joke post, but it should be noted that the actual scaling quality of the Xbox One S isn't really that amazing. Most high-end 4KTVs feature much better scalers. I know LG's OLED TVs scale 1080p a lot better than the XO-S, at least.
The XO-S is a beautiful machine, though. The hardware itself is just fantastic looking.
Baron_Calamity
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Installing, reading, ending moments
Only tried the Witcher 3 (press promo disk)
jabberwocker
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Lol, every single person that you don't agree with you have been bashing them. Responding with rhetoric and cherry picking comments to fit your agenda. Are the mods out voting still today? Because this is getting ridiculous.
Caayn
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Lifejumper
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Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
How does it run in Conquest and Operations? Smoother than the ps4?
The Elite
BOSS
Are we sure the PS4 Pro updated wasn't on the disc for BF1? What has EA said?
Winstano and Gamespot aren't the only ones claiming to notice a difference. Someone on Reddit mentioned there being a difference as well.
It's possible these people are just experiencing a placebo effect.
Winstano and Gamespot aren't the only ones claiming to notice a difference. Someone on Reddit mentioned there being a difference as well.
It's possible these people are just experiencing a placebo effect.
SenkiDala
Member
No it's not! Maybe it depends on consoles.
chromatic9
Member
Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
Funny you should upload that path. In the split view video I saw it as a potential difference on the ground textures but the nature of the video split made it difficult to highlight.
Mick Swagger
Member
You've spent this entire thread essentially defending your companies shoddy development techniques and how they'd be game breaking, downplaying anyone who's mentioned the XBOS' enhancements that end up negating the need for a patch.
Get a grip.
Transistor
Banned
Amazon is doing release day delivery for this right? I really want mine Thursday
Will be interesting to see what the Patch will bring
Checkerboard Render
Banned
Lol you don't even know what you're responding to. This has nothing to do with our discussion.
This was the response he was talking about, a poster extolling the virtues of the Xbox One S in a PS4 Pro review thread:
Again, lol. Calm down sonny. Really, whining to the 'mods' because I and others point out shoddy arguments is beyond sad (there isn't an irony meter explosion large enough to complain about "cherry picking quotes", btw).
get2sammyb
Member
I'm a day late (wasn't ready for the embargo) but my PS4 Pro review is now live. Please take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSEGBTRbMQ
Checkerboard Render
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Explain why they're "shoddy". In fact, explain his 'development techniques" to begin with - what are they?
They should be downplayed, as it's a minute improvement of a different system and it's ridiculous to use it as 'evidence' that another platform with far more significant differences between the models should not exhibit any issue. A slight GPU uptick, and that's it - vs a much larger CPU jump, massive GPU upgrade, different development environment, etc.
suddenlyissoon
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With the firecuda being sold out everywhere for the foreseeable future and no reviews on the advantages of dad's I guess the regular 2.5 barracuda is the disk of choice?
Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
Have to say, look at the disparity isn't as large as I would expect.
Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
Better IQ, AF and texture resolution but has the game been updated yet?
PackAPunchedMick
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Right. I've had enough of being called a liar by people publicly and privately. These are uncompressed PNG screenshots of the 40mb/s video that we exported before uploading to YouTube. Battlefield 1. On PS4 Standard and PS4 Pro.
Tell me there isn't a difference.
Fucking hell Dice, why even bother? Jesus
Its been like all this all day.
Checkerboard Render
Banned
Dunno, it's so slight it doesn't even necessarily look like 900->1080p to me. I don't know what's going on in those BF1 screenshots.
chromatic9
Member
Looks like a slight res bump as well
Not followed the game, I guessing its 900p on PS4 and they've done 1080p for the Pro. Thanks for the video stills albeit not the best of quality. Some screenshots would be great. Hardly seen any.
Not followed the game, I guessing its 900p on PS4 and they've done 1080p for the Pro. Thanks for the video stills albeit not the best of quality. Some screenshots would be great. Hardly seen any.
Straight Edge
Member
Are frame rates more stable in conquest?
Yikes.
That would just make too much sense.
chromatic9
Member
One should edit a PS4 Pro in his hands.
Checkerboard Render
Banned
I see some difference, but IME 900p->1080p is usually far more obvious.
GinoFelino
Member
I was about to. What in the name of sweet baby Christ happened here??
Yeah joke post. As an aside: you don't think the XB1S scaler is that good? Hm. It's too bad it's so hard to compare scalers. I have a 4K Panasonic from last year, but I'm not sure whether it upscales better than the XB1S.
Sony has, some say, the best 4K upscalers in the TV business. I wonder how their PS4 Pro upscaling will look.
nope, not mention in any patch-notes
yes!