Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Sony could dedicate more studios to kid friendly stuff. LBP was abandoned way too early. And they let crash go when he had a chance to be their Mario
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Nintendo's operating profit for full FY 19/20 is higher than Sony(G&NS), Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Konami, and Sega Sammy (and some by a lot!)
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cireza
Member
So Nintendo does not need third parties ? WHAT A SURPRISE.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Nothing to be celebrated, charging a high fee to play their games, years after initial release and well after making profit is just anti consumer and a large part of the reason I don't buy anything Nintendo.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Isn't New Super Mario Bros 2 60$ on Switch even though it's like 20$ on Wii U? The same game, less than 1GB in size. Backwards compatibility is something that I imagine Nintendo won't be supporting anytime soon.
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Hobbygaming
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Yeah I'm not saying they shouldn't have 2-3 Nintendo like platformers on PlayStation, I think it would be great if Little Big Planet and Crash make a return exclusively for the PS5 or new platformer IPs but there's a limit
I think Concrete Genie should've gotten more marketing but that's another story
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Yeah I think 3 local multiplayer and kid friendly games like Mario kart, Mario party, and smash Bros (maybe they'd be in a better position to do a Sony smash Bros now and get real Dante and other actual characters and not do super only kills)
Thirty7ven
Banned
Not commenting on ridiculous claims that only kids can play Nintendo games and not feel bad about it.
But the thread title is objectively false and misleading, and should be fixed....
phil_t98
#SonyToo
everybody right to choose like you have but Nintendos strategy pays off for them. not defending Nintendo here because I think the game prices are to high but it is working for them
Bryank75
Banned
take a look at the cash and debt for Sony and Nintendo. Nintendo is far more healthier than Sony(whole company).
Sony Cash on Hand 2006-2020 | SNE
Sony cash on hand from 2006 to 2020. Cash on hand can be defined as cash deposits at financial institutions that can immediately be withdrawn at any time, and investments maturing in one year or less that are highly liquid and therefore regarded as cash equivalents and reported with or near cash...
www.macrotrends.net
Your source has no year on it and is completely incorrect.
Nintendo Cash on Hand 2010-2023 | NTDOY
Nintendo cash on hand from 2010 to 2023. Cash on hand can be defined as cash deposits at financial institutions that can immediately be withdrawn at any time, and investments maturing in one year or less that are highly liquid and therefore regarded as cash equivalents and reported with or near...
www.macrotrends.net
This website has full financial reports, breakdowns and other key metrics / KPI's up to date.
As you can see cash on hand is nearly 3 times more than Nintendo, also Sony's debt / equity ratio is very healthy and since debt is so cheap at the moment, if you were going to make an acquisition or make large investments, it makes sense to use debt financing.....
leo-j
Member
I have to kindly disagree. I mega finished BOTW also. Amazing experience and game. But you can argue sony has made first party that can compare.
OT:
you can expect first party software to be more expensive for a longer time because of ninty. Ps4 is still $299 and $399 for a reason also.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
One thing doesn't annul the other
@thread
What was the expenses and the income of Sony and Nintendo? I can't look at the document now
leo-j
Member
They kinda tried it with the ratchet and clank remake(which I thought was a meh game) and lbp 3(which sold a couple millions) and knack(meh game).
They have spiderman, but I hope this JAK remake rumored to come out on ps5 and the new crash bandicoot are all the real deal. I need good platformers, mario odyssey wasn’t my cup of tea especially coming from a guy who adored mario 64 and sunshine. Yookalaylee was my must anticipated game and it didn’t live up to expectations either.
Elder Legend
Banned
Looks like the Nintendo Dooooomed talk and rumors were true after all.... RIP. :/
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I really enjoyed the first yooka laylee despite it's flaws simply because it scratched an itch I hadn't had scratched by anything but ratchet and Mario for generations. I don't really enjoy super challenging 2d platformers but love collectathon 3d ones. Definitely need more of those. The PS2 Trinity of ratchet, Jak, and sly is amazing
Your comment was stupid and wrong. Trying to hide behind a less dumb comment isn't a good defense
MightySquirrel
Banned
I hope you're not calling old ladies stupid and telling how wrong they are for buying tasty chocolate cookies every time you see one?
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
I'm curious where MS would be on the graph but they don't wanna release their numbers...
Great Hair
Banned
Still bigger in volume, requires way more components, distribution costs are easily higher than switch´s (1x PS4 pack = 5x switchs?) etc. if they are making any profit on sold ps4, gotta be tangible at best.
But since Nintendo includes their scummy mobile games and Sony PS does not, this is again just apples vs oranges**. Nintendo will never lower the price tag of their 1st party games, it´s their main source income, not even when the Switch 2 is out, you will not be able to get BOTW at $10.
Pretty sure that they rely way more on physical sold copies than Sony or Microsoft, where we´re reaching 50% marketshare (digital).
for funnsies, game size comparison, PS4 vs Switch, totally offtopic
2019 Switch games file sizes
https://pastemo.com/?265546c5401a5cd4#2XmFAuAJsbq31cRgdTLK5PapRf9Spk3oGSnpYbDw3FF9
17x games over 20GB, biggest being NBA2K19 at 30GB (roughly 450GB)
81x games over 10GB to 19.9GB (roughly 1.2TB)
140x games over 5GB to 9.9GB (roughly 1,000GB) (roughly 1TB)
653x games over 1GB to 4.9GB (roughly 2TB)
1886x games over 5MB to 999MB (roughly 950GB)
Switch library around 5.6 TB heavy (2777 games, early 2019) of which
Even if the biggest pack (4) is way higher in size than the top 3 combined (close enough), doubt that it will generates as much heat, traffic as tier (2) or (3).
PS4 game size range from 0.1GB to 50GB (U4), maybe even higher (no list avaib.) Total games according the store with classics 6,197
<155 TB heavy PS library (6,197 games)
<69TB heavy PS4, PS3, Bundle only (2,765 games)
<37TB heavy PSN only (COD at 40GB, 1869 games)
https://pastemo.com/?265546c5401a5cd4#2XmFAuAJsbq31cRgdTLK5PapRf9Spk3oGSnpYbDw3FF9
17x games over 20GB, biggest being NBA2K19 at 30GB (roughly 450GB)
81x games over 10GB to 19.9GB (roughly 1.2TB)
140x games over 5GB to 9.9GB (roughly 1,000GB) (roughly 1TB)
653x games over 1GB to 4.9GB (roughly 2TB)
1886x games over 5MB to 999MB (roughly 950GB)
Switch library around 5.6 TB heavy (2777 games, early 2019) of which
- 8% are 20GB or bigger.
- 21% are 10GB to 20GB (Zelda sits at 14GB?)
- 18% are 5GB to 10GB
- 36% are 1GB to 5GB
- 17% are 0 to 1GB
Even if the biggest pack (4) is way higher in size than the top 3 combined (close enough), doubt that it will generates as much heat, traffic as tier (2) or (3).
PS4 game size range from 0.1GB to 50GB (U4), maybe even higher (no list avaib.) Total games according the store with classics 6,197
<155 TB heavy PS library (6,197 games)
<69TB heavy PS4, PS3, Bundle only (2,765 games)
<37TB heavy PSN only (COD at 40GB, 1869 games)
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Still bigger in volume, requires way more components, distribution costs are easily higher than switch´s (1x PS4 pack = 5x switchs?) etc. if they are making any profit on sold ps4, gotta be tangible at best.
But since Nintendo includes their scummy mobile games and Sony PS does not, this is again just apples vs oranges**. Nintendo will never lower the price tag of their 1st party games, it´s their main source income, not even when the Switch 2 is out, you will not be able to get BOTW at $10.
Pretty sure that they rely way more on physical sold copies than Sony or Microsoft, where we´re reaching 50% marketshare (digital).
for funnsies, game size comparison, PS4 vs Switch, totally offtopic
2019 Switch games file sizes
https://pastemo.com/?265546c5401a5cd4#2XmFAuAJsbq31cRgdTLK5PapRf9Spk3oGSnpYbDw3FF9
17x games over 20GB, biggest being NBA2K19 at 30GB (roughly 450GB)
81x games over 10GB to 19.9GB (roughly 1.2TB)
140x games over 5GB to 9.9GB (roughly 1,000GB) (roughly 1TB)
653x games over 1GB to 4.9GB (roughly 2TB)
1886x games over 5MB to 999MB (roughly 950GB)
Switch library around 5.6 TB heavy (2777 games, early 2019) of which
- 8% are 20GB or bigger.
- 21% are 10GB to 20GB (Zelda sits at 14GB?)
- 18% are 5GB to 10GB
- 36% are 1GB to 5GB
- 17% are 0 to 1GB
Even if the biggest pack (4) is way higher in size than the top 3 combined (close enough), doubt that it will generates as much heat, traffic as tier (2) or (3).
PS4 game size range from 0.1GB to 50GB (U4), maybe even higher (no list avaib.) Total games according the store with classics 6,197
<155 TB heavy PS library (6,197 games)
<69TB heavy PS4, PS3, Bundle only (2,765 games)
<37TB heavy PSN only (COD at 40GB, 1869 games)
ah didn't realise they included mobile games. I still think they massively doing something right
Pallas
Member
It’s not that shocking to me, they develop pretty good first party titles and the Switch is starting to hit their groove with third party developers, something they haven’t had since the N64 and Gamecube days. It also doesn’t hurt that they rarely go down on price for their games on the switch ... is the Switch card more expensive than the blu-Ray discs? I know the N64 carts were crazy expensive compare to the PS1 discs back in the day, so I wonder if this applies as well?
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah they make shit for cheap and sell it for high prices...
Great Hair
Banned
True, they have the current kids and their kids on "lockdown"
Sony Music FateGrand was 2019 most profitable mobile game, ppl. spending up to $4,500 a month on items (bloomberg article).Hosting that many games, has to cost sony quite a bit. Amazon charges between $0.05 to $0.10 per GB. Having your 1st party games locked at $60 for decades helps a lot.
Not sure if Sony or MS could do that.
Overall both have high expenses
Nintendo revenue with mobile at 13Bill, profit 3bill
Sony PS revenue no mobile at 18Bill., profit 2bill.
Kokoloko85
Member
Thats what happens when your fanabase pays £50 for games, games from several years ago and hd updates from last couple gen lol.
Good for them, they needed it after the Wii U.
They better keep there work up, because they could easily have a Gamecube Or Wii U issue next gen. NIntendo fans have a deep hardcore base, but they mostly do well because of commercial fans
Good for them, they needed it after the Wii U.
They better keep there work up, because they could easily have a Gamecube Or Wii U issue next gen. NIntendo fans have a deep hardcore base, but they mostly do well because of commercial fans
Ogbert
Member
But here's the thing - they can't do it.
If the could, they would. A 'kid friendly' platformer that sells millions and millions would have to have gameplay that's better than Mario Odyssey.
Just in the same way Nintendo doesn't make high fidelity melodramas where you hold down a button to trigger a climbing animation, Sony doesn't go near Nintendo's turf.
Gormless Noodle
Member
True, when a Sony game flops it's not a big deal, there is another truth here as well though: When a Sony console flops, they can't push it to success themselves, their first party output doesn't have the strength to do that (that's not a game quality judgement ofc). That's essentially the story of the Vita vs the 3DS.
Kokoloko85
Member
Fun fact, Playstation has outsold every Nintendo console apart from the Wii Lol
Ogbert
Member
Kokoloko85
Member
So you think they shouldnt keep there work up?
Or you just want to make an arguement for no reason?
Lol of course, who would of thought after Nintendo’s biggest selling console the Wii the Wii U would be such a failure....?
Who would of thought Nintendo cant sell the cheapest ever launch console at £130 console called the camcube??........ (such an amazing console too)
Watch out lads, this fan think Nintendo has been selling like the Switch since the Nes.. newbie alert
Im a Nintendo Fan, Im just hoping they Keep the current formula and make sure they add to it and keep improving like they have. Having such a great portable machine is helping them alot, are they gonna stick to a home console next gen, another hybrid?
Doubt can they can charge £50 for the witcher 3 next gen, just like Playstation and Xbox cant make as much money through there HD ports of the PS3 and 360 era
Great Hair
Banned
Sony PlayStation also reached 5Bill. software sales few months ago, before Nintendo. On half the platforms and 13 years less market time
Sony's PlayStation Family Has Sold 5 BILLION Games
If, like us, you were watching Sony's keynote presentation at the 2020 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas yesterday, you'll have noticed some astonishing numbers regarding the PlayStation 4. Jim Ryan, president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment, commented on the PS4's lifetime sales f
www.gtplanet.net
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Would've been nice if you'd have just said they're two different things but instead you decided to insult Sony's games. And yes Sony can make platformers at or near Nintendo's quality. Now obviously the brand name of Mario gets you a lot of sales and the nostalgia factor wouldn't be there to make it critic proof but they've never really invested in multiple generations for a mascot.
vito_don_corleone_
Banned
Cause he's right?Did not take long for the age comments to hit.
MaestroMike
Gold Member
lol they're not going to get their kids xbox/sony m-rated games which are many of their best games. nintendo games are going to be a natural choice when parents have to get their kids a game. sony/microsoft are locking themselves out of the kid market in this sense.
Did you even look at the charts? They are making profit And with so many games to compete they need to do it. That is not devaluing. It’s a strategic move to keep your game selling with tons of games to compete with.
Imagined $60 dollar game with more than a hundred games to choose from and you can only choose 1. Developers knows this and we as gamer should not wish for it. A lot of facepalm on your post.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I played GTA as a kid. Of course kids can have mature games.
Persian buttercup
Member
By the way, thread titles seem a bit strange to me.
Looking at the graph, anyone can see that Nintendo's profit is greater than Activision plus EA combined.
Looking at the graph, anyone can see that Nintendo's profit is greater than Activision plus EA combined.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Nintendo proved with Mario kart this gen they don't even need to make a new game. They can literally upgrade the graphics a little and the brand of the franchise will sell it. I think they've got a pretty solid baseline just releasing their usual suspects each gen. And their portables have always done well. Home consoles were certainly declining so they've all but eliminated their presence there by just going the switch route
Closer
Member
It's 'cause people are adding way more than what is stated on title and going nuts over it.
TBH i wasnt paying attentino to the thread in general. Do you have a suggestion for a title?
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MaestroMike
Gold Member
some parents will allow their kids to play M-rated games but many parents won't until they're in their teens at least. Chances are kids will spend a good amount of time/years with Nintendo games before they'll have a chance to get at Sony/Microsoft games.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Yeah true or they just stop playing games after childhood or just do mobile games
Closer
Member
Title is right. People are looking at the picture and forgetting what they just read.
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imsosleepy
Member
this game was a fucking masterpieceAnother Fun Fact
The legend of Zelda BOTW generated more revenue and profit than any Sony and Microsoft 1st party titles in the US and Japan. probably worldwide too as the current price of the title is still at $59.99 MSRP .
SO MUCH FUN GAMEPLAY
Thirty7ven
Banned
If you take out the word "combined" it will accurately reflect the information in the OP.
lukilladog
Member
Yet they manage to hold zero value to me.
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Closer
Member
If you stop adding what is not on title it will magically be accurate also.
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imsosleepy
Member
and with these sales.. you would think they would improve their digital store but they are like.. NOPE
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
At least NSMBU (not NSMB2, that is a 3DS game) was full price originally. But DKCTF released at 40€ on Wii U and now is full price on Switch...
Lionel Richie
Member
SEETHE harder.
Real talk here, you have to be objectively retarded to believe Nintendo has only done "complete shovelware, if you're over 6 years old." You're either trolling, which is bad enough, or you're actually a complete moron, no other way about it.