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Nintendo's operating profit for full FY 19/20 is higher than Sony(G&NS), Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Konami, and Sega Sammy (and some by a lot!)

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OliverKahn

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108.7 yen = 1 USD
1 euro = 1.1028 USD

Sources:
Nintendo: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2020/200507e.pdf
Sony G&NS: https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/19q4_sony.pdf
EA: https://s22.q4cdn.com/894350492/files/doc_financials/2020/q4/FY20-Q4-Earnings-Release-(1).pdf
Activision Blizzard: https://investor.activision.com/static-files/fafbcb7a-0ddd-44ae-acf3-7f5aec4ea3ea
Take-Two: https://ir.take2games.com/static-files/15f375ba-76b8-471d-a0ca-f2561b86c4a8
Ubisoft: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-US/company/investor_center/key_figures.aspx
Capcom: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/result/2019/full/result_2019_full_01.pdf
Bandai Namco: https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bin/releases/index.cgi/file/view/9797?entry_id=6622
Square Enix: https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/pdf/20q4slides.pdf
Konami: https://www.konami.com/ir/en/financialinfo/sales.html
Sega Sammy: https://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/finance/operating_profit/

Thanks to Celine(resetera best sales data provider)

Funfact
- Sony(G&NS) has the highest revenue out of all companies but their profit margin is too low
- Konami is more profitable than Capcom despite Capcom output with Monster Hunter World, RE2R, DMC5, RE3R, RE8 and etc. Pachinko > Capcom.
- Nintendo's operating profit is the highest record by a console maker in the current generation of consoles.

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Nintendo 1st party games strategy generated more profit than 3rd party games strategy adopted by Sony and Microsoft.
 
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OliverKahn

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KeiichiInafune said:
Wouldn’t Sony have lower profits due to heavily investing in ramping up to PS5???
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Not even close, Nintendo last FY is the highest ever recorded for current gen consoles makers. Sony relied heavily on 3rd party games, their profit margin isn't gonna reach the same tier as Nintendo as Nintendo 1st party generated more profits than 3rd party games.

Nintendo less revenue more profit - 1st party strategy
Sony and Microsoft more revenue less profit - 3rd party strategy
 
TTOOLL

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Good for them! Their games are always at full price, right? Good strategy.

Also, who's gonna buy 3rd party games to play on the Switch? If you have the choice, of course.
 
DunDunDunpachi

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Good for Nintendo, but their weird pet-projects are certain to follow financial success. For better or worse, we're gonna get more Gamecube-era and early 3DS era titles instead of "boring" mainstream Nintendo titles until the end of the Switch's lifespan.
 
Great Hair

Great Hair

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Doesn´t Sony have a higher expense due having more than twice the amount of consoles out there, two platforms with the PSVR? and due selling over 1.2Bill. sold software titles (and the cost of hosting, licensing back, low to no revenue on some and having 1st party title cost below $20 few months after release vs. $60 tag on nintendo games even years after the game has been released?).

Always wondered why Sony´s net profit was so low to their brutto earnings.
 
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MightySquirrel said:
Honestly this is super shocking to me. Theres maybe one game that was any good from nintendo in the last 10 years or so - Zelda: BOTW, the rest of the pack is complete shovelware, if you're over 6 years old.
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They have a very high revenue and very low little costs. Great for them, find it odd still seeing consumers celebrating profit margins (Apple consumers most of all)...
 
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OliverKahn

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King Harkinian said:
Doesn´t Sony have a higher expense due having more than twice the amount of consoles out there, two platforms with the PSVR? and due selling over 1.2Bill. sold software titles (and the cost of hosting, licensing back, low to no revenue on some and having 1st party title cost below $20 few months after release vs. $60 tag on nintendo games even years after the game has been released?).

Always wondered why Sony´s net profit was so low to their brutto earnings.
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3rd party softwares' cut didn't generate as as 1st party software games of Nintendo as Nintendo games are retaining the value even after many years on the market which contributed more toward profits of the company.
 
DGrayson

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MightySquirrel said:
Honestly this is super shocking to me. Theres maybe one game that was any good from nintendo in the last 10 years or so - Zelda: BOTW, the rest of the pack is complete shovelware, if you're over 6 years old.
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The fact that you can even keep a straight face while saying this is a fucking joke. Stay out of Nintendo threads if you are going to troll. And this is coming from someone who doesnt even own a Switch. WTF
 
Thirty7ven

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Combined?

That doesn’t seem to be supported by any of the data presented in the OP?

Also saying Nintendo 1st party generates more profit than Sony/MS “third party” is also weird framing. PS4 sells a lot more software than Switch.... so let’s not blurr meanings.

Nintendo makes a fuck ton of profit from hardware because they always sell it at good profit, and their games have small budgets and sell a fuckton. They also keep prices high because there’s less competition in their ecosystem, and people buy Nintendo to play Nintendo.
 
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geordiemp

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Of course Nintendo will always be more profitable, they can make lower spec hardware, and games that have a lower budget and use cell shading, and sell them at prices that make eyes water...and the dedicted fan base is happy to spend that money.

Nintendo fanbase is unique in that gamers get equally excited for older ports, I dont see this anywhere else in the gaming space. Personally I dont get it but people can spend their money how they like, its a free world.

Good for Nintendo I guess, as to quote that famous line " Nintendo like profits".

Problem is investors will always expect those profits and as such Nintendo will always be expensive and paying for the same games 2 or 3 times will not go away soon.
 
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KingT731

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Nintendo operates in their own little bubble. Cheap product, high price, high profit. Other developers couldn't get away with some of the stuff Big N does like selling ports/remasters for a full $60 like Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition.... which I actually want to play. Not to mention how expensive their controllers etc are.
 
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Great Hair

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OliverKahn said:
3rd party softwares' cut didn't generate as as 1st party software games of Nintendo as Nintendo games are retaining the value even after many years on the market which contributed more toward profits of the company.
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In other words, Sony can compete (close enough 3bill vs 2bill.) with Nintendo even with their 1st party games costing only $10 to $20/ea, while Nintendo relies heavily on maintaining a $60+ price tag for their games. ;)

If Nintendo games flop commercially= "Big trouble in Japan"
If Sony games flop = Sony ain´t gonna cry much, as 3rd party is where the dough is at (well it would still suck balls, but at 30% cut (like Valve) for each sold 3rd party title would ease the pain quite a bit, having reached 1.2bill. there´s a lot of $$ to be had)

Does Nintendo include their highly successful mobile games? What about Nintendo´s other revenues like playcards (kiyru´s buddies love them)? Or is this strictly video games (console, no mobile)?
Sony PlayStation
more employees than Nintendo, more need to get paid?
more expensive hardware components for PS4, PS4 Pro, PSVR
renting&hosting&maintenance cost for all those 3rd party games on PSN (GTA on PS4 > GTA on Swtich (game size would be smaller, substantially)
licensing, low share cut? below Valve´s 30%?

Sony´s profit should be on-par or even higher than Nintendo, one would assume having sold way more in every aspect, even in the mobile if im not mistaken.

Guess hosting GTA5 for so long as PS3, PS4 version on their PSN servers must cut big time in their revenue ;)

On a serious note though, what´s the biggest game on the switch in terms of gamepack-game size pre installation? Does that maybe play a role?
 
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OliverKahn

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Thirty7ven said:
Combined?

That doesn’t seem to be supported by any of the data presented in the OP?

Also saying Nintendo 1st party generates more profit than Sony/MS “third party” is also weird framing. PS4 sells a lot more software than Switch.... so let’s not blurr meanings.

Nintendo makes a fuck ton of profit from hardware because they always sell it at good profit, and their games have small budgets and sell a fuckton. They also keep prices high because there’s less competition in their ecosystem, and people buy Nintendo to play Nintendo.
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take out a calculator and do the math
 
martino

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I see it seems some people have hard time to find values in games if it's not in story and presentation....
when in fact it should be easily understandable since we're talking about games.
it's probably why Nintendo find a huge public willing to pay for that.
so don't let you own fanboyism make you think others are dumb and fanboys because they have different values than you.
 
Ass of Can Whooping

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OliverKahn said:
Not even close, Nintendo last FY is the highest ever recorded for current gen consoles makers. Sony relied heavily on 3rd party games, their profit margin isn't gonna reach the same tier as Nintendo as Nintendo 1st party generated more profits than 3rd party games.

Nintendo less revenue more profit - 1st party strategy
Sony and Microsoft more revenue less profit - 3rd party strategy
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Am I understanding this right.?

You think Sony's profit and revenue have a wider gap because the profit margins for third party games are lower?
 
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OliverKahn

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King Harkinian said:
In other words, Sony can compete (close enough 3bill vs 2bill.) with Nintendo even with their 1st party games costing only $10 to $20/ea, while Nintendo relies heavily on maintaining a $60+ price tag for their games. ;)

If Nintendo games flop commercially= "Big trouble in Japan"
If Sony games flop = Sony ain´t gonna cry much, as 3rd party is where the dough is at (well it would still suck balls, but at 30% cut (like Valve) for each sold 3rd party title would ease the pain quite a bit, having reached 1.2bill. there´s a lot of $$ to be had)

Does Nintendo include their highly successful mobile games? What about Nintendo´s other revenues like playcards (kiyru´s buddies love them)? Or is this strictly video games (console, no mobile)?
Sony PlayStation
more employees than Nintendo, more need to get paid?
more expensive hardware components for PS4, PS4 Pro, PSVR
renting&hosting&maintenance cost for all those 3rd party games on PSN (GTA on PS4 > GTA on Swtich (game size would be smaller, substantially)
licensing, low share cut? below Valve´s 30%?

Sony´s profit should be on-par or even higher than Nintendo, one would assume having sold way more in every aspect, even in the mobile if im not mistaken.

Guess hosting GTA5 for so long as PS3, PS4 version on their PSN servers must cut big time in their revenue ;)

On a serious note though, what´s the biggest game on the switch in terms of gamepack-game size pre installation? Does that maybe play a role?
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Fun Fact Nintendo made more operating profit in FY 19/20 than the entire PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3 total operating income.
 
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Thirty7ven

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OliverKahn said:
take out a calculator and do the math
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Based on:


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Profits:

- Nintendo: $3.241
- Sony G&N: $2.193
- Activision Blizzard: $1.607
- EA: $1.445

Should I keep going?

Sony + AB + EA = $5,245

You telling me to pull a calculator, but do we really need to? Look at the chart. Now explain to me how Nintendo's profit is bigger than the rest combined???

OliverKahn said:
Fun Fact Nintendo made more operating profit in FY 19/20 than the entire PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3 total operating income.
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I'm sorry, what? You really need to support that with some facts please. Show the data.
 
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yurinka

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Normal.

Sony had more revenue, but less profit because they are working on a console release very soon, and have more big games in the works. Just when they release a console it's the lowest point of a console cycle because a lot of money goes to R&D and marketing while console sales are in the lowest point. But this time they still have solid hardware and software sales and services working great.

Nintendo had their operating profit because they merged their handheld an home console markets and this year has been the peak of the console performance, which traditionally is around its 3rd year of the console cycle.

OliverKahn said:
The legend of Zelda BOTW generated more revenue and profit than any Sony and Microsoft 1st party titles in the US and Japan. probably worldwide too as the current price of the title is still at $59.99 MSRP .
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Bullshit.

We don't know which profit generated BotW, and you don't know the revenue, profit or even units sold of the Sony and MS games. And from US and Japan you only know the retail sales that appear in the sales rankings, not the numbers from digital sales, revenue for putting them in services, DLC/IAP revenue, etc. And if we look at their global digital revenue (we don't have per game numbers) is way bigger in MS and specially Sony than in Nintendo's case.

As an example, from MS we only have the Minecraft numbers: this month they announced that it sold over 220 million units, while in October 2014, more or less when purchased by MS, they were at 60 million units. On top of that its F2P version for China has another 300 million users. Even if we don't count the chinese F2P revenue and the units sold before being bought by MS, it generated way more revenue than BotW.

In Sony's side, we know that The Last of Us (cross gen game like BotW) sold over 20 million units and Uncharted 4 (released on a single platform) sold over 16 million units as of last year, so should be higher now. Spiderman, released only a year and a half ago (october 2018), should be also way above 15 million units since in August was over 13 million, which means that probably already outsold Zelda. God of War, released on April 2018, achieved 10 million units sold on its first year so it should be way higher than that number as of now. In this case I don't think it may have outsold Zelda but also was released a year later than BotW and on a single console, so it may do it in the long run. Regarding Horizon, we knew at its 2nd anniversary (Feb. 2019) that it achieved 10M sales. At least as I know, we don't have more recent data about these games.
 
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OliverKahn

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Thirty7ven said:
Based on:




Profits:

- Nintendo: $3.241
- Sony G&N: $2.193
- Activision Blizzard: $1.607
- EA: $1.445

Should I keep going?

Sony + AB + EA = $5,245

You telling me to pull a calculator, but do we really need to? Look at the chart. Now explain to me how Nintendo's profit is bigger than the rest combined???




I'm sorry, what? You really need to support that with some facts please. Show the data.
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Perhaps you should learn how to read the title first?


Nintendo's operating profit for full FY 19/20 is higher than Sony(G&NS), Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Konami, and Sega Sammy combined

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Nintendo Operating Profit for the FY ending March 2020: ¥352.37 billion yen and please do the math from the graph properly this time.
 
Hobbygaming

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Melfice7 said:
Of course the PROFIT is gonna be higher, when you make much cheaper hardware and the games cost alot less to make, yet they still sell as much/more
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I came to say this. Less graphically demanding games and less expensive tech in their hardware = more savings

They spend less but make more and that's good for them, they have their own market in gaming
 
MaestroMike

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why does Sony/Microsoft cut the prices of its first party games and not keep it the full $59.99 ??? If Nintendo can do it, I'm sure they can. Their games cost more to make, too.
 
Ass of Can Whooping

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King Harkinian said:
In other words, Sony can compete (close enough 3bill vs 2bill.) with Nintendo even with their 1st party games costing only $10 to $20/ea, while Nintendo relies heavily on maintaining a $60+ price tag for their games. ;)

If Nintendo games flop commercially= "Big trouble in Japan"
If Sony games flop = Sony ain´t gonna cry much, as 3rd party is where the dough is at (well it would still suck balls, but at 30% cut (like Valve) for each sold 3rd party title would ease the pain quite a bit, having reached 1.2bill. there´s a lot of $$ to be had)

Does Nintendo include their highly successful mobile games? What about Nintendo´s other revenues like playcards (kiyru´s buddies love them)? Or is this strictly video games (console, no mobile)?
Sony PlayStation
more employees than Nintendo, more need to get paid?
more expensive hardware components for PS4, PS4 Pro, PSVR
renting&hosting&maintenance cost for all those 3rd party games on PSN (GTA on PS4 > GTA on Swtich (game size would be smaller, substantially)
licensing, low share cut? below Valve´s 30%?

Sony´s profit should be on-par or even higher than Nintendo, one would assume having sold way more in every aspect, even in the mobile if im not mistaken.

Guess hosting GTA5 for so long as PS3, PS4 version on their PSN servers must cut big time in their revenue ;)

On a serious note though, what´s the biggest game on the switch in terms of gamepack-game size pre installation? Does that maybe play a role?
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They include mobile too unlike Sony

Don't tell him about Fate/Grand Order lol
 
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OliverKahn

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Grinchy said:
I'm glad for them, but I'd also love to see them spend more. Putting out ancient hardware and having low budgets on their first party output is great for profit, but not quite as great for us consumers.

I guess it's exciting to watch their piggybank grow on some level.
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Overprice hardware? Nvidia Shield TV with the same SOC bar the screen as Switch is around Nintendo Switch price
 
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OliverKahn said:
Another Fun Fact

The legend of Zelda BOTW generated more revenue and profit than any Sony and Microsoft 1st party titles in the US and Japan. probably worldwide too as the current price of the title is still at $59.99 MSRP .
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With 17m I think that sold more than Sony and Microsoft 1st party traditonal games, so what's actually the point?
Games that sell better generate more money?

I said traditional games bc of Minecraft and Fate that aren't Microsoft and Sony main strategy regarding gaming (Fate isn't even counted in SIE, but in Sony Music division iirc), even if they generate an incredible amount of money.
 
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