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[Erkuza]

This thread is the reason this pronoun crap is

 

[mitch1971]

If there was a mod that turned all characters (including NPCs) into white people would people claim loudly that Nexus had an obligation to host it?

If someone made a mod that made everyone black and they only hosted that, then to answer your question, yes they should host it. Balance and double standards are the key words here.

 

[Deaconstanjesusman]

Remove gender from all of society. Have biological sex only. Then no one can get butt hurt

 

[Solidus_T]

Is Disney racist when they race swap their storied characters?

From their own story? They can make it how they want, given that they have already released the Little Mermaid before (if that is what you're referring to). Comparing it to someone changing it or modifying it is dishonest.

 

[IDKFA]

My pronoun is "Godemperor". And I insist on it.

Lol.

My company are encouraging staff to use pronouns on our emails. I was sooooo tempted to put mine as "Dominus".

 

[DeepEnigma]

From their own story? They can make it how they want, given that they have already released the Little Mermaid before (if that is what you're referring to). Comparing it to someone changing it or modifying it is dishonest.

If they took a black character and race swapped them white "to their own story," do you honestly sit here with a straight face and say that is "kosher" or "gravy," and no outrage?

 

[Shodai]

It is a political tool and its presence takes me out of the game. If they want to disclose their political beliefs in a game then so be it, but I’ll have nothing to do with the cult.

 

[Senua]

Remove gender from all of society. Have biological sex only. Then no one can get butt hurt

 

[Montauk]

Yeah, this thread is going to really well. Might as well lock it now.

 

[RoadHazard]

I mean, that's stupid, but being so scared of pronouns that you need to mod them out is even more stupid. Who gives a shit, it's not like the game forces you to be a "they" right?

 

[KrazyKrelian]

Nexus Mods can host whatever mods they want, shouldn't even be a discussion.

I will say their website layout, review system, mod managers, account requirements all seem clunky and archaic. I wouldn't mind another mod site stepping up and offering a better product.

 

[Solidus_T]

If they took a black character and race swapped them white "to their own story," do you honestly sit here with a straight face and say that is "kosher" or "gravy," and no outrage?

Using quotation marks for things I never said? Nice!
Anyway, no, I would not be upset, especially about a children's story like The Little Mermaid. I see you gave away your hand here though. I didn't know it was that important to you.

 

[Montauk]

It is a political tool and its presence takes me out of the game. If they want to disclose their political beliefs in a game then so be it, but I’ll have nothing to do with the cult.

The “political belief” that people use pronouns? I’m pretty sure the reality of their usage isn’t down to political beliefs.

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

Remove gender from all of society. Have biological sex only. Then no one can get butt hurt

Yes, “let’s change all of society so that I don’t have to be sad about something that doesn’t affect me.”

Or just, you know, click “next” and live your life.

 

[Rayderism]

I identify as a 70 year old retired guy, where's my Social Security check?

 

[docchicken]

Is Disney racist when they race swap their storied characters?

Why does anyone on this entire board care one bit about this?

 

[BlackTron]

Holy hell this thread will be nuked to high heaven.

 

[LectureMaster]

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Imagine if you were in a position where you felt differently about that.

Strain as hard as you can, if you will, to have empathy with others.

No, don't drag me into this, it has nothing to do with me. If someone prefers a pronoun I will address that way because of courtesy. But you don't know me, don't tell me what to think what to empathize.

And speaking of empathy, yes, this is how the big corps empathize, absolutely not just barebone pandering at all.

 

[DrFigs]

Holy hell this thread will be nuked to high heaven.

don't make it political. this is clearly just a thread about mods.

 

[Erkuza]

This thread is the reason this pronoun crap is all over the media. It just another tool the powers that be use to make us argue among ourselves and further divide us so we're too distracted to notice them fucking us in the ass.

Let's not argue about the real issues like the mass printing of our currencies that is causing mass inflation, inflated home prices because multinational corporations like Black Rock are buying up all the homes and keeping them vacant, and stagnant wages while at same time you have all these corporations bringing in record profits. As well as an obesity pandemic, drug/opioid pandemic, increase homelessness, mass unchecked illegal immigration, and a drop in testosterone and IQ. No, lets not come together and argue about these problems but let's fight among ourself about something as insignificant as gender pronouns. Both people are on both side of the argument are brain dead morons.

 

[BlackTron]

don't make it political. this is clearly just a thread about mods.

lol

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Well part of the problem here is that woke means everything and nothing at the same time.

If people just said “I hate the game because there’s a gay character “ then most people would just think oh another homophobe and move on.

But if you say woke then, well, you’re off to the races.

 

[Montauk]

No, don't drag me into this, it has nothing to do with me. If someone prefers a pronoun I will address that way because of courtesy. But you don't know me, don't tell me what to think what to empathize.

And speaking of empathy, yes, this is how the big corps empathize, absolutely not just barebone pandering at all.

Of course it’s to do with you, I responded to your opinion. Your opinion is a product of you. You said that having pronouns is pathetic, but when asked to maybe consider somebody who might find it more important than you do, you respond with “it’s not about me”

If it’s not about you and your opinion, why are you opining in this thread?

As for you next point about barebones pandering that is a laughable comeback.

You can’t be serious? If they’d made characters throughout the game use your selected pronouns, you’d also be angry about that and you’d be in here calling it pathetic too.

 

[SLoco]

We are in middle of culture war in Usa and fact is "woke" side is starting to lose ground,studios shut down,sales going down big time,and even beloved games losing 50 percent of fans.
So even do prounouns in starfield seem silly ,reallity is its just another battleground until one side wins.

 

[Soodanim]

One of the reasons I'm laughing so hard is because, for those who severely dislike multiple pronoun labels in games, it takes merely a few seconds of critical thinking to realize that removing all of the pronouns would be just as gender fluid as having all of them.

It makes this even more of a clown show once that group realizes this.

While I have no horse in this race, this is the type of argument I see on Reddit in the circlejerk comment threads.

Everyone on both sides of the argument knows full well that when people talk about pronouns in this context they mean choosing pronouns outside of the standard two sex pronouns that apply to all sexually reproducing animals on this planet. I'd call it petty point scoring but it's not even that, it's a made up point of view that's being torn down. It's why these discussions never go anywhere.

Not that this will go anywhere, it's an ideological split and I doubt this thread is making anyone change sides.

 

[Whitecrow]

It's sad and pathetic no matter which side you pick.

I dont think you look as good as you think by saying that

 

[Honey Bunny]

Nexus are such fucking snowflakes lmao

 

[Red5]

Nexusmods are a private entity and not public services, they do not owe you anything, if they don't want to host your files or do business with you then tough luck.

 

[BlackTron]

This thread is the reason this pronoun crap is all over the media. It just another tool the powers that be use to make us argue among ourselves and further divide us so we're too distracted to notice them fucking us in the ass.

Let's not argue about the real issues like the mass printing of our currencies that is causing mass inflation, inflated home prices because multinational corporations like Black Rock are buying up all the homes and keeping them vacant, and stagnant wages while at same time you have all these corporations bringing in record profits. As well as an obesity pandemic, drug/opioid pandemic, increase homelessness, mass unchecked illegal immigration, and a drop in testosterone and IQ. No, lets not come together and argue about these problems but let's fight among ourself about something as insignificant as gender pronouns. Both people are on both side of the argument are brain dead morons.

Exactly, they want us bickering over stupid shit like this to gloss over the real issues, as apparently people fall right into the trap en masse. The entire culture war divide was encouraged by much smarter forces to take advantage of the teeming masses. But I'm stepping away from the thread before it gets worse. Have fun guys.

 

[proandrad]

The lack of tolerance is just weird. It’s just a character creator. It’s like thinking Skyrim is trying to push being a furry on you because you can make a cat person.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

These icons of tolerance and diversity are the same pieces of shit banning hijab in France. So much for diversity and inclusion!

The most intolerant ideology in the world.

 

[Montauk]

I dont think you look as good as you think by saying that

Yeah. Like both sides are equal, or stand to lose the same as the other.

This conversation is basically about a tiny minority, and between a tiny minority and a huge majority it’s obvious who is more vulnerable.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Nexusmod has always been trash.

This is true but much like Reddit everyone uses it so you basically have to also. If there was a mod hosting site that didn't actively censor everything that didn't agree with a political viewpoint I would use it

 

[Portugeezer]

The most "oppressed" people have the most power. Strange, isn't it?

 

[Montauk]

These icons of tolerance and diversity are the same pieces of shit banning hijab in France. So much for diversity and inclusion!

The most intolerant ideology in the world.

Bethesda banned the hijab in France? Didn’t realise they could do that.

Someone better update their wiki.

 

[bitbydeath]

Pronouns are basically like the tags people get on GAF right?

Mine would be (Ha/Ha)

 

[Last Hearth]

I didn't really care until I saw this, now I'm definitely downloading the mod and installing it out of spite.

( I hadn't bought the game yet because still playing BG3, but will install the mod when I get this game in a couple of months)

 

[darrylgorn]

haven't played game but thought programmed in such a way that need have pronouns

 

[xrnzaaas]

Just abandon nexusmods, you can get mods elsewhere. It's not the first time they've done this so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[Red5]

I didn't really care until I saw this, now I'm definitely downloading the mod and installing it out of spite.

( I hadn't bought the game yet because still playing BG3, but will install the mod when I get this game in a couple of months)

Just wondering and not to nitpick but who's going to know? The mod isn't going to be on Nexus so you're not going to be boosting the mods popularity, more likely from some unknow webpage or discord channel sure, but that's so lowkey that it practically defeats the purpose of spite.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Montauk]

I didn't really care until I saw this, now I'm definitely downloading the mod and installing it out of spite.

( I hadn't bought the game yet because still playing BG3, but will install the mod when I get this game in a couple of months)

Yeah and ultimately that’s what this is all about, isn’t it? Spite. Pure spite.

Let’s just hope that the people endorsing this spite aren’t displaying that same spite to certain minorities that cross their paths.

Again it’s funny; I don’t think you’d pop up in here proudly saying you were going to download the “remove all gay dudes from the game” mod, because now people most people largely accept that gay dudes are gay and they have gay dude friends and gay dude family members and want them to able to live normal lives and you’d be embarrassed to look like you were seething and full of hatred for gay dudes.

 

[Virex]

There is only a He and a She. A He can never be a She and a She can never be a He. Neither can anyone be any of the pronoun bullshit to be honest. It's mental illness that's not being treated.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

No, he was definitely wrong.

Can I ask what your reaction would be if he’d been ranting like this after talking to a gay character?

Whats a gay character got to do with it? This was about pronouns? And lets be honest, it was shoe horned in to appease. If they were serious about pronouns they would have been far more than what was offered.

Do you feel there was enough? If so, you're not taking into consideration the Ze/Zems, biggot.

 

[Montauk]

Whats a gay character got to do with it?

And there’s the expected swerve away from the difficult question.

No point saying anything else.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

And there’s the expected swerve away from the difficult question.

No point saying anything else.

Sorry, not today.

 

[GHG]

And this is why you're better off not bothering.

 

[Clear]

Nexus Mods can host whatever mods they want, shouldn't even be a discussion.

Absolutely. But the problem is that it demonstrates the point that a particular cultural standard is being unilaterally imposed top-down that not everyone agrees with.

It shows the "culture war" is undeniably a real phenomenon with clearly drawn battle-lines. Which in turn leads to the unpleasant conclusion that it will only end when one side is defeated.

Which if you think about it, is inevitably going to fail the driving principle of any sort of philosophy of "inclusion" because it resolves to eliminating or beating into submission one side or the other. It becomes about suppression, not integration.

 

[Js562]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

There is only a He and a She. A He can never be a She and a She can never be a He. Neither can anyone be any of the pronoun bullshit to be honest. It's mental illness that's not being treated.

Never on GAF has a post so perfectly matched the posters tag