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It was, I could have written the same thing differently, sure. Is the outcome incorrect?
Irrelevent. The "semantics" don't change the outcome. They do change the narrative you were trying to push
It was, I could have written the same thing differently, sure. Is the outcome incorrect?
Irrelevent. The "semantics" don't change the outcome. They do change the narrative you were trying to push
I never even mentioned per console in regards to this, just per user. I could have said averages per user, or something like that. It makes zero difference.
Yes you did
Are you saying that isn't what is happening when this is triggered? This only gets triggered if players on other platforms have a higher percentage of revenue than playtime (they are spending more on average).
I'm not going off-topic. You're just not paying attention to what's going on.It was on topic, you are the one who went off topic and are projecting. not to mention you responded to me, not the other way around. So you either dind't read what you responded to and should respond properly, or you're a coward.
So you dodged the issue of PS5 stock and went right back to the OTHER argument you still haven't provided facts for, the myth that the S is the best selling SKu (in general) for Xbox Series.
So first, I take it you gave up and realized that PS5 demand isn't the issue and is indeed false since you never will directly address the post which was focusing on that.
So now that you lost that argument we go back to the Series S.
nothing you showed shows the S is ahead, it showed some instances of some shipments and select times, in certain regions that the S SHIPPED more. Then for the few that were talking about sales, the difference is marginal and does not overwrite the other regions where the X is ahead significantly (such as Germany, France, Mexico, etc, at least the most recent data from them, which was awhile ago but we have not gotten anything more recent to contradict those.)
That does not mean the S has sold more than the X overall for Xbox Series. This is the part you seem to incompetent to comprehend. You are associating shipments, and some sales in a few regions like Japan, US, and UK(?) and using those marginal differences (some countries even more marginal than japan by near 2x) as proof the S has overall sold more than the X, and yet we are seeing in the most recent reports for other region the X ahead by substantial margins.
All data we have of sales in any country/region, at least the most recent we have that split them up, primarily have the X ahead, and any time the S is ahead, the difference is marginal. Between 45-80% in it's favor depending.
Again, the belief the S is the best selling unit for the Xbox Series consoles, which was what i said from the start, not region, but entirely, is a MYTH.
Unless you have sales showing otherwise that are recent in several countries you can't possibly say this is a fact without any actual evidence. At best you're making an assumption based on shipments which aren't sales, or sales that are marginal in a few regions.
There is no PROOF that the S has passed and became the best selling SKU over all for Xbox Series, there is no new recent data that contradict the previous reports from the other regions that had the X way out in front.
We can't just make ASSUMPTIONS and say it's true without the sales proof. Like the people assuming the PS3 was 2nd place when we DON'T have 360 sales because they haven't been reported.
Your whole argument is dishonest because you are making it seem like I made a country by country, or a NA/UK argument when I didn't, I made a general statement for all Xbox Series sales, and the person who first brought up the S selling best was also talking about that, making all your tweets and other stuff useless because you're being dishonest about the premise in the first place (not to mention bringing up shipments wouldn't help your case either way)
Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.
No, that's not accurate either. PSN could have a higher revenue share than other platforms and still have a significantly higher game share percentage on PSN and this would kick in. So if PSN revenue share was 65% but the game share was 90% then this would get triggered.
Not in regards to this cross-play royalty no. In the paragraph, yes.
I'm not going off-topic. You're just not paying attention to what's going on.
Because you are, as you jumped into a discussion within the thread and now pretending that didn't happen because you know you didn't read properly.This TOPIC is about the last 3 quarters, and you're accusing me of going off-topic.
Your projecting, you first entered as well as another person screwing up on me mentioning the S leading was a myth, and misreading that as the PS5. Both of you jumped into an ongoing conversation within the thread making the same mistake, and then you changed to talkin about the S but still didn't follow the conversation directly, there is no proof that the S is the leading console of all Series sales, that was where the whole MYTH statement came form in the first place.Why are you arguing with people and you can't even remember what this conversation is about?
But for some reason you think you can. So made up your own fake ones.You can't ignore facts.
Thus I said a "higher percentage of revenue than playtime". If the other platforms have 35% of the revenue but only 10% of the playtime, they have a higher percentage of revenue than playtime. They are significantly over performing.
You made this thread and the first post you made was highlighting comments that specifically mentioned the last 3 quartersYes you are, you are forgetting you RESPODNED TO ME, no the otheray around, you are now trying to remove context from the conversation you jumped into.
Because you are, as you jumped into a discussion within the thread and now pretending that didn't happen because you know you didn't read properly.
Your projecting, you first entered as well as another person screwing up on me mentioning the S leading was a myth, and misreading that as the PS5. Both of you jumped into an ongoing conversation within the thread making the same mistake, and then you changed to talkin about the S but still didn't follow the conversation directly, there is no proof that the S is the leading console of all Series sales, that was where the whole MYTH statement came form in the first place.
Your poor reading comprehension is not relevant to the conversation you bumped yourself in.
But for some reason you think you can. So made up your own fake ones.
Over performing as a platform for buying content? Sure, I guess. At that point the platform where the content it bought is really there just as a means of convenience rather than gameplay. Which is why this probably aimed more at mobile devices and Fortnite than anything else. Guy buys some stuff on his phone and then there it is on his PlayStation later on when he is ready to play. Trying to derive some console war meaning out of all this doesn't make any sense to me though.
This is a thread about MS celebrating their recent sales figures. No gymnastics involved. Your point is disingenuous.
Exactly.First off, Microsoft WILL enforce that mandate until the end of the generation. It's not even a conversation devs will even worry about since they'll be happy to target an audience of millions of Series S owners.
But more importantly, we already have examples of beautiful games that still retain 95% of their visual quality on the Series S. Flight Sim looks spectacular there, as does Forza Horizon 5. Matrix is probably the most next gen thing we've seen running so far... And it runs on the Series S with some cutbacks.
Hellblade 2 and the Coalition's next AAA game will push Best-in-class visuals and will run on the Series S. So no need for you to wait years until the GTA6 reveal.
This whole thing seems like wishful thinking on your part. Even you must know that you're bound to be gravely disappointed when the XSS gets strongly supported to the end of the gen.
My point is a simple fact. If you believe otherwise, then maybe the issue lies with you and your rather childish need to defend plastic boxes instead of enjoying the actual games. Those things that are the entire purpose of buying a console to begin with?
Bethesda/idsoftware would have traditionally been considered AA devs IMO
AAA, AA and A is about spend and usual involves cutting edge rendering techniques, not how successful a game sells. And I said traditionally, today they presumably are a AAA spending dev, which make Starfield day 1 on gamepass an interesting situation, especially as it is a new ip
My point is a simple fact. If you believe otherwise, then maybe the issue lies with you and your rather childish need to defend plastic boxes instead of enjoying the actual games. Those things that are the entire purpose of buying a console to begin with?
If it gets strongly supported then so be it, but Xbox's gamepass strategy has been reported to be at odds with the handheld market leader and the home console market leader's strategies for game development, and other big publishers might align closer to Nintendo and PlayStation IMO. Companies like Rockstar.
I think the XsS is a cynical move and see it being most profitable for devs as MTX sales channel, so obviously I'm not a fan. But am oaky waiting to see what the market decides when GPUs with RT cores get to the £130 price point of moving up PC requirements.
Bethesda/idsoftware would have traditionally been considered AA devs IMO
It’s amazing how you’re wrong in nearly every post.
We’ve been having first party AAA games on Gamepass day 1 for quite a while now. Gears 5, Halo Infinite etc. Games don’t come anymore AAA than Call of Duty, and those are Gamepass bound day one when the acquisition closes.
Also, the bulk of costs for video game development isn’t ‘Cutting edge rendering techniques’. Hellblade looked just a gorgeous at release as any AAA game on the PS4…and it was made on an AA budget. The bulk of costs come from paying the salaries of the development team…and when you assemble a large group of highly experienced developers, writers etc as Bethesda did and develop a game over 3 years, you’re definitely on an AAA budget.
Read the bloody thread title. And before you come for me with your bait, I own everything you can conceivably game on
Quit projecting. I currently own a Series X, a Switch, and a PC. I owned a PS4 briefly last gen as well, and have a long history with Sony products.
This isn't about knocking Playstation, just discussing the industry and sales figures. Don't click on inside baseball threads if you're going to take such a preachy deductive stance.
This is an interesting turning point for the Xbox brand. It is worthy of discussion.
I've been on board ever since the Xbox One X. That thing is a BEAST.
What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?Take2's main objective is to make as much money as possible.
Xbox series consoles are on track to at least sell as well as the 360. So theres no way they skip Xbox. Especially if we consider Xbox will eventually let purchased games playable on Xcloud.
The seriesS wont be an issue for R* and GTA6, if we look at RDR2 they will probably go down a similar path but with improvements made in lighting, increased geometry, better textures and more NPCs,animals and other things. The SSD and CPU are probably the most important things for R* this gen. The seriesS version will probably have reduced texture quality,and a lower resolution, maybe lower shadow resolution and things like that, but it will still maintain all the main visual advances, but at 1080p.
As I said. Prove it. What did I say that was off topic? And no. I was not responding to you at first. You responded to me first. Just click back in the discussion until you find the first post I made that you first responded to. You’re mixing everything up, most likely because you are responding to a bunch of people.It was on topic, you are the one who went off topic and are projecting. not to mention you responded to me, not the other way around. So you either dind't read what you responded to and should respond properly, or you're a coward.
Sony fans do it all the time. Discard games on xbox. I gave my opinion. Suck it down son.I don't like GT7, so let's discard it. Let's also discard Horizon FW, because I love black girls, and GOW Ragnarok because I hate snow. Problem solved!
Sony fans do it all the time. Discard games on xbox. I gave my opinion. Suck it down son.
What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?
As I've tried to discuss, the gamepass setup with all 1st party xbox games on the service at day 1 means that consoles sold may not translate to like for like with 3rd party sales success on xbox as the 360 did.
The roughly AMD RX6500XT spec of the XsS is probably a little below the desired target hardware Rockstar would want to show their next-gen credentials with their next game. It is harder an harder to wow people with improved visuals - which has been the method of new gens - so I think they will need more than that to discern the look of their next game from GTA5/RDR2 on a X1X/Pro, to incerase the chances of it being super successful too.
Gta6 started dev in 2014. It is most likely a last gen game.What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?
As I've tried to discuss, the gamepass setup with all 1st party xbox games on the service at day 1 means that consoles sold may not translate to like for like with 3rd party sales success on xbox as the 360 did.
The roughly AMD RX6500XT spec of the XsS is probably a little below the desired target hardware Rockstar would want to show their next-gen credentials with their next game. It is harder an harder to wow people with improved visuals - which has been the method of new gens - so I think they will need more than that to discern the look of their next game from GTA5/RDR2 on a X1X/Pro, to incerase the chances of it being super successful too.
Both consoles play the same games. They should be added together just like PS4 and PS4 Pro.Iove how they pretend it's not two consoles sales added together lol
Oh ms.
Is it really as clear cut as that? Mid-gen refreshes usually resulted in the original consoles getting traded or given to someone else - without the base console - thereby expanding the audience buying 3rd party A-AAA games that is the metric of the userbase that matters in regard of market share to platform holders.Both consoles play the same games. They should be added together just like PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Yes.Is it really as clear cut as that?
NA is at least 3 countries.How did this reach 18 pages?
Xbox managed to ship more units than PS5 in a single country for 3 quarters.
This is a FACT. There's no way around it.
We already know all 3 os them are close as fuck this year so far anyway...
The same way CP2077 started dev in 2013. I bet they dont have more than 3-4 years of dev.Gta6 started dev in 2014. It is most likely a last gen game.
Still doesn't have any games.
I love the smell of a ban in the morning.
What? Switch is old tech. Not even manufacturered on the latest nodes. It is easier to get parts for it.Exactly. The argument that no one wants a Xbox because they're easy to find, despite them outselling the PS5, doesn't work in this case especially when you look at the Switch. You can easily find Switch consoles on the shelves, yet it continues to outsell both the Xbox and PS5. No one is screaming that no one wants a Switch because you can find consoles. The logical explanation is that both Nintendo and MS have solved their manufacturing and logistics issues and can regularly get stock to consumers, while Sony hasn't. And if I were a Sony shareholder, I'd be demanding answers why the newly-installed head of SIE cannot get product on store shelves when his two direct competitors are able to.
Actually yes. I see Series S on shelves all the time.Clearly you must live somewhere where they are sitting on shelves?
But MS employees use VGchartz as a source when they want to show sales instead of their own figures?Both sources in those two tweets are full of crap, so no. Neither is likely true.
Hopefully you can elaborate more on this when you come back in 2 weeks time.
You've completely dodged the SX eh? The one you can hardly find anywhereActually yes. I see Series S on shelves all the time.
How is this news worth 18 pages of "discussion" ..?
If you bothered to read the thread, which you didn’t do because you decided to just come in and snipe and bait people into arguments, you’d see the posts where it’s regularly in stock directly from Microsoft and I just checked and it still is:You've completely dodged the SX eh? The one you can hardly find anywhere
But MS employees use VGchartz as a source when they want to show sales instead of their own figures?
At least 4 by my mathDo we have an idea of how many series consoles have sold worldwide?