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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.

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Hendrick's

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This isn't hard. What I'm saying is that who ever produces more will sale more, that's all there is to it because supply have not met demand. The "All these Xboxes" are mostly Series S that's easier to produce and thus more available for the past few months. PS5s are still sold out, thus any boasting of sale numbers are indicating a Supply problem NOT a lack of Consumer Demand incomparison to its competition. This is Basic Economics.
Why keep ignoring my point that the why is meaningless? Better supply chain equaling greater sales is an absolute win with lasting impact.
 
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DaGwaphics

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Yup. It means good value for the customer.

Not too many industries have the key product being break even or a loss leader. Typically every company wants to make profit off you from the very first purchase.

Even a variety store selling you a single Ju jube for a nickel would rather make 3 cents profit off you then give you a free bag of it hoping you come back another day for purchases.

That's why I've always found making a criticism out of the fact that MS hasn't historically turned a profit on the console units to be a weird flex. Like okay, you wanted them to charge you more?
 

StreetsofBeige

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That's why I've always found making a criticism out of the fact that MS hasn't historically turned a profit on the console units to be a weird flex. Like okay, you wanted them to charge you more?
If you really want to see giant losses on console hardware sales, check out the PS3 era profitability of Sony's gaming division. It basically wiped out all the profits the gaming division made during PS1 and PS2 eras. Even selling it at $599 had them losing money on it.
 

DaGwaphics

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I mean, ps3 + psvita sales or wii + nds sales or PC + steam handheld sales are separated.

But this is different. Cause they can just put a line between the letters ...

PS3 and Vita were entirely different ecosystems, as were Wii and DS. Xbox Series X & S are more like X1/X1X and PS4/PS4 Pro, where the systems have different performance levels but the library/ecosystem are identical.
 

DaGwaphics

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If you really want to see giant losses on console hardware sales, check out the PS3 era profitability of Sony's gaming division. It basically wiped out all the profits the gaming division made during PS1 and PS2 eras. Even selling it at $599 had them losing money on it.

That's an extreme example for sure. Saddest part is that they had an extra year and were spending more to build it and yet the older/cheaper to produce 360 was right there with it in performance. That was a weird one for sure. Much different from the previous gen where Xbox came in a year later and had a decent performance boost to show for it.
 

DarkMage619

Report me if I continue to console war
Oh I agree. I just don't know if I agree with the general notion that people will pay hundreds for a video game console simply because it's the one that's available. I just can't see someone saying "I really want a PS5, but I can't find one so I guess I have to buy this Series console" or the other way around. Consoles are toys. It's not like there is a downside to waiting to buy why you want. But I guess for some people it's something they can't live without.

The Series S has proven itself to be a solid utility player and a good fit for a lot of people. I got one for free after I bought my PS5 and XSX and it's great for what it is. I spend a lot of time with it despite also having the more powerful boxes upstair so I can understand why the average person would like it.
It was always silly for anyone to believe the XSS sold simply because it was available. Some people spent hundreds of dollars extra to scalpers to get a PS5 if that is what they really wanted. MS made the right move making two different SKUs for different audiences.

Agreed. People need to understand that everything is relative and based on user cases. For example, people coming from a base One S to a Series S will see a difference.

I can say that a Series S is not for me. Now, for my four year old? Absolutely. Thinking of buying one for her actually and keeping it attached to my 1440p PC monitor.
Yeah I'm an enthusiast with an OLED 4k set with VRR. I prefer high end consoles but I still think the XSS is fantastic even if I don't want one personally. I accept not everyone cares about top of the line graphics and I'm glad that demographic has an option for a console too.

I mean, ps3 + psvita sales or wii + nds sales or PC + steam handheld sales are separated.

But this is different. Cause they can just put a line between the letters ...
Do all the systems you've named play the same game library like the XSX|S does? This isn't that complicated. The Series consoles are counted together because they play the same games.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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It was always silly for anyone to believe the XSS sold simply because it was available. Some people spent hundreds of dollars extra to scalpers to get a PS5 if that is what they really wanted. MS made the right move making two different SKUs for different audiences.
When it comes to consoles, I think there's only a small number of people who will buy a system based on it being readily available. I think most know what they'll get and wait for it.

If it's something like PS5 disc vs PS5 digital, that might be close enough to grab the one that pops up first. But I dont see how someone itching for a new game system wanting to buy a Series X or PS5 will just throw up their hands and say they bit the bullet and just settled for a Series S. It can happen, but if it do that then they arent that serious for PS5/XSX to begin with.

If I need to buy a new TV and I want an LG OLED for $2000 and they are sold out everywhere, I dont think too many people are going to bite the bullet and buy a Vizio for $1000 because it's there. Or forgo buying that sold out $180 steel Panasonic microwave for a small white Hamilton Beach one for $80.
 

pasterpl

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Amount of posts where people trying to play it down it is just ridiculous. Team blue cannot cope.

I mean, ps3 + psvita sales or wii + nds sales or PC + steam handheld sales are separated.

But this is different. Cause they can just put a line between the letters ...

“Genius”, I couldn’t play all of my ps3 games on my vita (still own it), vita releases were separate games, and one was handheld other is stationary console. Same goes for wii and DS. And sorry but with pc it is impossible to split generations and establish what is the main purpose of the each machine.

I am not seeing people deducting PS4 pro sales from ps4 numbers, I don’t see people deducting Xbox one x sales from Xbox one sales.

Xbox severe x and s use the same gen of GPU (just not as powerful) use the same CPU, use the same generation and solution for storage, they use the same memory technology (just at lower quantity).
 

John Wick

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If you bothered to read the thread, which you didn’t do because you decided to just come in and snipe and bait people into arguments, you’d see the posts where it’s regularly in stock directly from Microsoft and I just checked and it still is:

At least in Southern California, retail stores have never stocked either $500 console due to them releasing during COVID and they’ve always been online only. Only the $300 Switch and Series S seem to be stocked physically on store shelves.
Anytime anyone questions MS or Xbox it becomes sniping and baiting?
So if the Series X is in such plentiful supply then MS should be ahead of Sony in sales then shouldn't they?
I never stated anything about being on shop shelves. Series X is in short supply here in the UK. Various retailers get stock then sell out. Much like the PS5.
 

Three

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There are some strange theories in here.

A key point that blows this nonsense up (and that is fact based) is that the Xbox user base very frequently outperforms PS sales wise (on a sales per console basis). This is so evident that Sony negotiated their cross-play agreement with bonuses based on Nintendo and Xbox customers outspending PS players on a per user basis, and received regular payouts, go figure. Sony wins more sales because of a more than 2:1 userbase advantage, not because their users are more frequent buyers. MS on the other hand, routinely over performs its console split on key western titles. There is less interest in some genres on Xbox, but that's been a thing from the beginning.

You have to get out of the enthusiast gamer/developer/gaming journalist bubble and move to the general audience. People don't drop $500 on hardware they don't intend to use, or even $300.
That's not how the cross play agreement works. The cross play agreement works in a way where if playtime is more on playstation vs where they buy the mtxs then playstation gets a cut. This means epic store mobile or PC too. Nothing to do with xbox.
 
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DaGwaphics

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That's not how the cross play agreement works. The cross play agreement works in a way where if playtime is more on playstation vs where they buy the mtxs then playstation gets a cut. This means epic store mobile or PC too. Nothing to do with xbox.

We've been over this already. LOL

It's basically for when PS averages less $ per minute than the other platforms. You can say it any way you want, the end result never changes.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think one time there was a retweet or something. They didn't directly reply to the numbers provided though, just made a statement about it being the fastest selling Xbox.

Oh yeah I know exactly what tweet they're talking about, but John Wick John Wick has brought it up half a dozen times already, they must have some other source where MS is using VGChartz numbers to promote sales figures somewhere.

Surely they're not just pulling it out of their butt right ? Surely..

I have both XSX and PS5. 🙂

And look where that got you

 
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Xdrive05

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I like that Series S is the baseline of the generation, and Series X covers the high end.

Series S for 1080p and X for 1440p-4K, but otherwise identical experiences apart from a few exceptions where the S doesn’t get ray tracing or certain performance modes, etc.

Having Zen2 be the baseline is a big effing deal going forward. A 4TF GPU just means S pushes fewer pixels. That’s acceptable.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah the people who have been thinking there was going to be another Sony 2:1 advantage are delusional, ever since the hardware strategy reveal and the zenimax acquisition It was very clear that Xbox is very competitive.

Sales numbers are secondary, just the PR and messaging turnaround Series has had in its first two years compared to XBO is a massive victory for them.
 

Sosokrates

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if you are nervous now just wait till Cod goes Exclusive :messenger_kissing_smiling:

This is why Jim Ryan is actually a good leader, and no I'm not being sarcastic

Sony has already proven they can make plot-driven IPs that sell like crazy and win numerous awards

If they can just have 1/3 of that same success with MP games Sony is going to reach new heights

You're right, I too think Jim Ryan is doing a good job. I think the only thing which he could do better is playing to PlayStation strengths. They seem to going in the same direction as Microsoft with subscription services and MP games, that may work well for them but Microsoft is in a position which can support those business models better. I personally think PlayStation should do what it does best and focus on best in class first party single player games.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's a simply a case that this time they have made better products and services. PR is great but it means little if the product is bad or not competitive.

True, true. The hardware is solid and the messaging about being focused on games instead of TV TV TV is a turnaround from what Mattrick wanted to turn Xbox into.

And gamers are responding with love in kind.
 

twilo99

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Is this the first time where we have a company launch 2 SKUs of a current gen console at launch? Something tells me it won't be the last.
 

reinking

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Is this the first time where we have a company launch 2 SKUs of a current gen console at launch? Something tells me it won't be the last.
No. MS has launched two SKUs in the 360 era. IMO, this is a better implementation of launching two SKUs. The core 360 was a complete rip off in the memory card was of little use not long after launch. I was a manger of an Electronic Boutique and I had many customers unhappy when they had to come back and buy the HDD upgrade.
 
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Duchess

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Series X is in short supply here in the UK. Various retailers get stock then sell out. Much like the PS5.
This isn't in the least bit true. Both Series X and S are in stock 24/7 on Amazon UK, Argos, GAME, and plenty of other retailers.


PS5? Yeah, Amazon UK is running an invite-only system, while other retailers are issuing them bundled with a extra controllers, games, and headsets, to turn off scalpers.
 

ReBurn

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This isn't in the least bit true. Both Series X and S are in stock 24/7 on Amazon UK, Argos, GAME, and plenty of other retailers.


PS5? Yeah, Amazon UK is running an invite-only system, while other retailers are issuing them bundled with a extra controllers, games, and headsets, to turn off scalpers.
That Amazon link defaults to a used system. None of the used or new systems there are sold by Amazon, just third party sellers, so it's not in stock at amazon.co.uk. The other ones seem ok though.
 

reinking

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Some of you seem to be really vested in this comment. About the only thing I can extrapolate from it is XBS is winning in consoles sold in North America over the last three quarters and Sony must be winning worldwide during that same period. If this was not true the comment would have not been specific to North America. I'm not sure how much it matters since both seem to be selling very well.
 

Serouj2000

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While this may true, I believe the real reason is because the PS5 is still impossible to find while you can get series S especially and X everywhere almost.

I also believe sales will shift towards Xbox when COD is on game pass. That will really boost the Xbox. Especially if the deal is closed and they can get COD MW2 in time for game pass
I've seen quite a few PS5s at a retailer in my country.
 

Foilz

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I honestly don't get why people keep saying the x/s are not in the same gen. They have the same tools and features. The main difference is resolution. I don't know anyone with a series S that has said wow I wish I had an X or ps5 for those amazing graphics my S doesn't give me.

Also I'm in NYC there's no series X, S or Ps5 anywhere. There's literally never any stock.
 
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Maxwell Jacob Friedman

leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
While this may true, I believe the real reason is because the PS5 is still impossible to find while you can get series S especially and X everywhere almost.

I also believe sales will shift towards Xbox when COD is on game pass. That will really boost the Xbox. Especially if the deal is closed and they can get COD MW2 in time for game pass
Im going with this, MS ha sbeen ahead manufacturing their console. Where I live there are an abundance of series x/s'a in stock (not being bought btw)

But I havent seend a ps5 in stock at a standard walmart, best buy etc for 3 months etc
 

splattered

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Im going with this, MS ha sbeen ahead manufacturing their console. Where I live there are an abundance of series x/s'a in stock (not being bought btw)

But I havent seend a ps5 in stock at a standard walmart, best buy etc for 3 months etc

Yup! The Series consoles aren't being bought at all. Anywhere. That's why they're closing the gap. Cause..... wait what? Who cares WHY? Fact is they're selling well and that's all that matters. Eventually more PS5's will be on the shelf and they will pull ahead again and people will be dancing in GAF streets.
 

John Wick

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This isn't in the least bit true. Both Series X and S are in stock 24/7 on Amazon UK, Argos, GAME, and plenty of other retailers.


PS5? Yeah, Amazon UK is running an invite-only system, while other retailers are issuing them bundled with a extra controllers, games, and headsets, to turn off scalpers.
So they are in stock now. Have they been in stock 24/7 since launch? No
That or the demand for SX isn't so hot after all
 

oldergamer

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The people in this thread that are desperately trying to prove Xbox X or S is available everywhere (without considering the possibility its still supply constrained, just not as much as PS5...) as a attempt to allude to it not selling well, are well... pathetic themselves. Anecdotal evidence means jack shit and you all know it.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I honestly don't get why people keep saying the x/s are not in the same gen. They have the same tools and features. The main difference is resolution. I don't know anyone with a series S that has said wow I wish I had an X or ps5 for those amazing graphics my S doesn't give me.

Also I'm in NYC there's no series X, S or Ps5 anywhere. There's literally never any stock.

It's the extreme fanboys new narrative to downplay the Series success. I guess they figure if they repeat it enough, they can make it be true.
 

RyanEvans21

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The people in this thread that are desperately trying to prove Xbox X or S is available everywhere (without considering the possibility its still supply constrained, just not as much as PS5...) as a attempt to allude to it not selling well, are well... pathetic themselves. Anecdotal evidence means jack shit and you all know it.
Depend where you live though! my Local Target & Bestbuy have always stock of Series X.
 

Mr Moose

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That Amazon link defaults to a used system. None of the used or new systems there are sold by Amazon, just third party sellers, so it's not in stock at amazon.co.uk. The other ones seem ok though.
It's there today.
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I think one time there was a retweet or something. They didn't directly reply to the numbers provided though, just made a statement about it being the fastest selling Xbox.
The people in this thread that are desperately trying to prove Xbox X or S is available everywhere (without considering the possibility its still supply constrained, just not as much as PS5...) as a attempt to allude to it not selling well, are well... pathetic themselves. Anecdotal evidence means jack shit and you all know it.
Series S has no issue with supply, but that can't be said for the X, though things are improving a lot for X/PS5.
 

johnjohn

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Yes, buddy.
We'll talk about it when all three consoles will have no supply restrictions at all.

We will definitely come back to this :)
By the time that happens MS will own Activision and Bethesda will be releasing GOTG candidates exclusively for Xbox. Not to mention Xbox's other studios will finally be releasing heavy hitters.

Sony missed their chance to gain a big lead over Xbox at the start of the gen, now it's too late. It's going to be a very competitive generation.
 

pasterpl

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This isn't in the least bit true. Both Series X and S are in stock 24/7 on Amazon UK, Argos, GAME, and plenty of other retailers.

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PS5? Yeah, Amazon UK is running an invite-only system, while other retailers are issuing them bundled with a extra controllers, games, and headsets, to turn off scalpers.

Interesting thing with Amazon is that they show their top sellers, and in the UK in the past hour
Xbox Series X was 12th
Xbox Series S was 25th
PS5 was 56th

Seems that at least in the UK XSX is overselling XSS quite a lot.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Selle...videogames/ref=zg_bs_pg_1?_encoding=UTF8&pg=1

In the USA;

PS5 is 6th

No Xbox consoles in the top 100

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Video-Games/zgbs/videogames

Obviously because XSX is out of stock in Amazon US https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08H75RTZ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

And XSS there are only 2 units left.
 
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