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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.

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Umbasaborne

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I've been on board ever since the Xbox One X. That thing is a BEAST.
Yep, it sure was. People who loved to beat their chest about how much stronger the ps4 was in df game comparisons got real quiet after it came out. The one x is still a pretty great console too, the fact that it can kinda hang with series x in terms of resolution for some games still shows how much of a beast that thing is.
 
Kind of related didnt want to make a new thread on it

The company’s games business underwhelmed in the April-June quarter with 47.1 million PlayStation 4 and 5 titles sold, down from 63.6 million a year earlier. Play time across PlayStation products plunged 15% in the quarter, Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said, and PlayStation Plus members fell slightly to 47.3 million.

 

Deerock71

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Yep, it sure was. People who loved to beat their chest about how much stronger the ps4 was in df game comparisons got real quiet after it came out. The one x is still a pretty great console too, the fact that it can kinda hang with series x in terms of resolution for some games still shows how much of a beast that thing is.
It's still my entertainment hub downstairs.
 

DarkMage619

Report me if I continue to console war
Now if we look at series X sales alone...

But no, that would be disingenuous. And paint a much more truthful and sad picture. Not to mention purely speculation and conjecture since we don't have sales numbers. Wait-
Not sure what you are talking about. The truth is the XSS|X are in the same generation and play the same games. What is sad is people twisting themselves in knots to downplay the success Xbox is having. Even Sony fans should be happy with a successful Xbox because Sony will work harder to provide value to their customers too. Competition is a good thing.
 
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oldergamer

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Gamepass is not going to efffect games which are not on the service. People will still buy games if they want to play them.

The only chance GTA6 is timed exclusive is if sony pays like $500 million, and MS would probably counter.

Theres as much chance in Microsoft infiltrating Naughty dog and convincing all the ND employees to come make a new studio for ms called "cheeky cat"
Rockstar makes the majority of money through online after sales of the game. No chance in hell they would accept money to be exclusive and miss out on boatloads of cash from online gaming.

Also no chance sony would give them half a billion. Its a laughable thought
 

johnjohn

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Now if we look at series X sales alone...

But no, that would be disingenuous. And paint a much more truthful and sad picture. Not to mention purely speculation and conjecture since we don't have sales numbers. Wait-
Why would you look at the Series X alone? Xbox has two SKUS just like the PS5, Xbox just made a smarter decision with their pricing and hardware specs than Sony did.

It's actually wild how well Xbox is doing right now even before their heavy hitters from Bethesda and Activision have released. The next few years are going to be pretty insane for Xbox, and NeoGaf will be extremely entertaining to read if this thread is an indication of how some of you are going to react to Xbox's success lol.
 

ManaByte

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Yep, it sure was. People who loved to beat their chest about how much stronger the ps4 was in df game comparisons got real quiet after it came out. The one x is still a pretty great console too, the fact that it can kinda hang with series x in terms of resolution for some games still shows how much of a beast that thing is.

Resolutiongate immediately didn't exist as soon as the One X arrived.
 

MacReady13

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thats some statement, do you have any scientific data actually confirming it, or any data showing how long it takes to sell single unit of each platform? if not, its another case of tales from your ass. My advice, take a break from this thread and please 🙏 stop making up shit based on your personal feeling on how the market operates.
Personal feelings? It's based on me trying to find a console for my kids and my brothers kids. Series X is far easier to find ONCE IN STOCK IN AUSTRALIA. PS5 is real hard to find, and once it is in stock it disappears real fast. Maybe it's stock allocation, or possibly higher demand, but in MY OWN SCENARIO it is far far FAR easier to pick up a Microsoft series console over a PS5 IN AUSTRALIA.

And the post just below your post claiming PS5's are easy to find cause they're in the UK- well, if I wanted to import 1 to Australia, I may as well buy a PS5 off a scalper here such would be the cost to get it down under.

By the way (and not that it needs mentioning or should concern anyone) but I own a Series X and PS5 myself. Probably game more on my Series X as well (without using a shitty sub service to play my games). But console warrior and all that shit...
 

PaintTinJr

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For it to be tracking higher than 360 it has to be over 16 (16.3 if I recall correctly.) We have that as the base, because they still reported numbers back then.
Weren't those old 360 numbers shipped - rather than sold through? I'm not sure how many hundreds of thousands or millions the large retailers or middlemen like CDUK were able to hold stock for, so the question might be irrelevant, but going by how many 360s were still in stores after they'd stopped shipping, and the final number estimated I would expect there to be somewhere around 1M capacity in the supply chain that isn't sold through for each console when they are all readily available on shelves.

It would be interesting if anyone has an estimate, rather than my guesstimate ,though...
 
You made this thread and the first post you made was highlighting comments that specifically mentioned the last 3 quarters

How can you not understand that he was talking about supply issues during these last 3 quarters?


Because you said the Xbox Series X was also out-of-stock and failed to mention Xbox Series S, which had healthy stock during these last 3 quarters.


Not misreading anything.


You called it a myth that Xbox Series S was leading in sales. This entire conversation has to do with the last 3 quarters.



I showed you the last 3 quarters from Japan.

Here is the statement from the UK.

This topic is about the last 3 quarters. His comment was about the last 3 quarters.

Did you highlight the last 3 quarter statements from Satya Nadella? Yes, you did. Will anyone reading that and the topic at hand reply to it? Yes, they will. If this topic has to do with the last 3 quarters, will they talk about overall sales? No, they won't.

So at this point, you have to admit that the Xbox Series S was the leading SKU for MS these past 3 quarters, and it's a big reason why they had a lot of success in North America.

Whole post is off-topic, you're trying to switch the topic of discussion from when you misread and screwed up.

Again S leading in Xbox Series sales generally, which was the whole reason why I brought up the term myth in the first place, is in fact a myth, until we get recent figures showing otherwise. Anyone can go back and follow the discussion, you're being dishonest about what the dscussion is about.

The conversation was responding to someone making a general claim, you are trying to skip that and my response to that with a general answer, and claim that they were talking about the last 3 quarters of the US specifically, when they clearly where not.

The only person who is spinning is you. Unless your reading comprehension is so bad you didn't understand the discussion you jumped into. Oh wait, you didn't because you thought I was talking about the PS5 at first and not the Series S.

And as i said to him in that conversation in response to his claim, it's a MYTH the S is the overall leader of the Xbox Series Skus, and still is a MYTH until we get more recent sales numbers split between the two for countries that haven't reported sales in awhile, Until then any claim of such is an assumption based on limited data from the US, UK, and Japan.

You're attempt to distort what i was responding to is pointless, you jumped into a conversation without reading.
 

Bojanglez

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Why is this thread still so lively? It is a fact, great, move on. Both consoles are a success and all have some form of supply constraints and differing demands from various regions.

MS is doing well, it is good for all concerned, not a zero sum game.
 

John Wick

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Strange for a company (according to some) that isn't interested in numbers sold MS love to boast. Why say you outsold the competition but then don't disclose numbers. Or yet still use VGChartz to make a point about sales. I thought it was just all about GP and MAU?
 

Ozriel

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Strange for a company (according to some) that isn't interested in numbers sold MS love to boast. Why say you outsold the competition but then don't disclose numbers. Or yet still use VGChartz to make a point about sales. I thought it was just all about GP and MAU?

Satya informing shareholders that his hardware business is thriving isn’t boasting. That’s just your insecurities putting that in your head.
Nobody cited VGChartz in the earnings call, so that’s delusion too.
 
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DaGwaphics

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* On console sales. They didn't say they made no money (profits) on gaming, software, subscriptions or accessories.

Pretty misleading to try to twist it like that.

That's really a positive. The company that is not making a lot of profit on each hardware unit is giving the most performant hardware they can for the $. If there is profit there the hardware could have been better or cheaper in that scenario, pick one.
 

DForce

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Whole post is off-topic, you're trying to switch the topic of discussion from when you misread and screwed up.

Again S leading in Xbox Series sales generally, which was the whole reason why I brought up the term myth in the first place, is in fact a myth, until we get recent figures showing otherwise. Anyone can go back and follow the discussion, you're being dishonest about what the dscussion is about.
(Don't know why my post disappeared)

You made this thread about the last 3 quarters. His comment wasn't about the entire generation.
The conversation was responding to someone making a general claim, you are trying to skip that and my response to that with a general answer, and claim that they were talking about the last 3 quarters of the US specifically, when they clearly where not.

The only person who is spinning is you. Unless your reading comprehension is so bad you didn't understand the discussion you jumped into. Oh wait, you didn't because you thought I was talking about the PS5 at first and not the Series S.
He wasn't making a general claim. You literally mention the last 3 quarters in your first post and he replied to it. That means the supply issues was in direct reference the last 3 quarters, not the entire generation.
And as i said to him in that conversation in response to his claim, it's a MYTH the S is the overall leader of the Xbox Series Skus, and still is a MYTH until we get more recent sales numbers split between the two for countries that haven't reported sales in awhile, Until then any claim of such is an assumption based on limited data from the US, UK, and Japan.

This is a lie. The only thing he said is that the PlayStation 5 has supply issues and you want to pretend like you had a conversation.
You're attempt to distort what i was responding to is pointless, you jumped into a conversation without reading.
No, it's as simple as this.

You literally created this thread that clearly says Xbox won the Last 3 Quarters in North America. You quote this in your initial post. The person who replied to you is talking about the Last 3 quarters.

You're simply being disingenuous. You highlighted the last 3 quarters in your first post and you want to pretend like you were talking about the entire genreation.

Not buying it.
 
(Don't know why my post disappeared)

You made this thread about the last 3 quarters. His comment wasn't about the entire generation.

Sorry man this is indisputable, the first post where I mentioned myth was directly responding to the post before that made a general statement clear as day, you didn't read it, and went on multiple posts of imagining he posted something else. He wasn't even the only ones, multiple posts in that thread positioning the S as the best selling SKU despite no recent evidence of sales we have showing this outside a small few countries, the ONLY countries that have provided current data or close to current.

This is a lie. The only thing he said is that the PlayStation 5 has supply issues and you want to pretend like you had a conversation.

The only lie is this post.
 
Not surprised, you can't go wrong with either console, they are both amazing

But in terms of user friendly I give it slightly to Xbox for having 1440p + VRR support out of the box and quick resume feature, I really hope they continue to put up a strong competition this gen
 
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DForce

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Sorry man this is indisputable, the first post where I mentioned myth was directly responding to the post before that made a general statement clear as day, you didn't read it, and went on multiple posts of imagining he posted something else.

False.

Did you or did you not make this post about the last 3 quarters and was he responding to that specific point?
He wasn't even the only ones, multiple posts in that thread positioning the S as the best selling SKU despite no recent evidence of sales we have showing this outside a small few countries, the ONLY countries that have provided current data or close to current.
We're not talking about other people. We're specifically talking about WHY he responded.

Again, did you highlight multiple times Microsoft has won the last 3 quarters in North America? Is this thread about the Last 3 quarters.?
 

Ozriel

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Not surprised, you can't go wrong with either console, they are both amazing

But in terms of user friendly I give it slightly to Xbox for having 1440p + VRR support out of the box and quick resume feature, I really hope they continue to put up a strong competition this gen

I’m happy as a clam that everyone executed well this gen. Strong competition is the best for consumers.

Now all I need is a new Switch in 2024
 
False.

Did you or did you not make this post about the last 3 quarters and was he responding to that specific point?

No he wasn't, you're lying about which posts I'm talking about, which doesn't matter because everyone else is smart enough to go back and read from the start of this conversation, which you randomly jumped into. It's only you having this problem.
 

DForce

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No he wasn't, you're lying about which posts I'm talking about, which doesn't matter because everyone else is smart enough to go back and read from the start of this conversation, which you randomly jumped into. It's only you having this problem.

Look at what you quoted and highlighted in your first post.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella in an earnings call with investors has stated the Xbox Series X|S continues to be the fastest-selling Xbox generation as it is tracking ahead of the Xbox One, Xbox 360, and original Xbox.

He also revealed the Xbox Series X|S has been the market leader in the next-generation market in North America for three straight quarters.

"In Gaming, we’ve sold more consoles life-to-date than any previous generation of Xbox and have been the market leader in North America for 3 quarters in a row among next-gen consoles," said Nadella.

The Xbox Series X|S was the best-selling next-generation console in North America for the quarters ending December 2021, March 2022, and June 2022.

You highlighted the part in red.

The last quote is what you quoted in your first post.

Both referencing the 3 quarters.

He replied by saying.

Doesn’t mean much since ps5 is supply constrained.

Moving the goalpost isn't going to work.
 

John Wick

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Satya informing shareholders that his hardware business is thriving isn’t boasting. That’s just your insecurities putting that in your head.
Nobody cited VGChartz in the earnings call, so that’s delusion too.
Maybe you've been asleep under a rock but some MS employees pointed into the direction of VGChartz before. When in fact they could release actual figures.
 
Look at what you quoted and highlighted in your first post.

You're literally lying about what posts are being referenced. the person I responded to didn't even have the word "quarter" in their post and never mentioned the PS5. You can't read and there's no longer a need to continue coddling you here, you are just trying to create enough confusion so people think the posts you're making up exist, the post I responded to was not talking about the OP at all and was specifically about the leading SKU of the Xbox Series in general. You're just taking random sentences out of context and pretending there's a timeline that doesn't actually exist, or picking random users taking their sentences out of context who I wasn't even responding to on that subject.

Just like you were wrong when you jumped into the conversation and brought up the PS5 when we were talking about the Series S SPECIFICALLY, which is why I brought up the Series S myth in the first place, and then you pretended that didn't happen when you shifted your posts to the Series S afterward, so you've already proven you don't read before you jump into a conversation. Now you're trying to pretend none of this happened, and are going back to the OP, yet the conversation was about bringing up the S as the leading consoles which is what I was responding to before you jumped in.

You're desperately trying, and failing, to push BS and erase posts and pretend some invisible poster was referring to the OP, and you keep quoting what I said in the OP, which had nothing to do with his post, or what I responded with, nothing.

No ones falling for it so there's no point in even pretending you even have an argument. Read properly next time before diving into a conversation, instead of trying to change what happened because you messed up. Just some advice.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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That's really a positive. The company that is not making a lot of profit on each hardware unit is giving the most performant hardware they can for the $. If there is profit there the hardware could have been better or cheaper in that scenario, pick one.
Yup. It means good value for the customer.

Not too many industries have the key product being break even or a loss leader. Typically every company wants to make profit off you from the very first purchase.

Even a variety store selling you a single Ju jube for a nickel would rather make 3 cents profit off you then give you a free bag of it hoping you come back another day for purchases.
 
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JimRyanGOAT

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if you are nervous now just wait till Cod goes Exclusive :messenger_kissing_smiling:

This is why Jim Ryan is actually a good leader, and no I'm not being sarcastic

Sony has already proven they can make plot-driven IPs that sell like crazy and win numerous awards

If they can just have 1/3 of that same success with MP games Sony is going to reach new heights
 
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MacReady13

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Now if we look at series X sales alone...

But no, that would be disingenuous. And paint a much more truthful and sad picture. Not to mention purely speculation and conjecture since we don't have sales numbers. Wait-
Lets look at it objectively though- it really shows to me that the vast majority of console gamers will buy not based on power. If PS5 is available it will sell. If Series X is available it sells. Series S is widely available and people just don't really give a damn about resolution or frame rate, so it is selling real well. Just look at Switch sales as proof of that.
 

MikeM

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Lets look at it objectively though- it really shows to me that the vast majority of console gamers will buy not based on power. If PS5 is available it will sell. If Series X is available it sells. Series S is widely available and people just don't really give a damn about resolution or frame rate, so it is selling real well. Just look at Switch sales as proof of that.
In all fairness, the difference between both consoles using your eyeballs is basically not noticeable. You need 4x zoom or framegraphs to tell the difference (excluding the few outliers). The majority of console gamers could not give a crap. They just want to play what they are familiar with.
 
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DForce

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You're literally lying about what posts are being referenced. the person I responded to didn't even have the word "quarter" in their post and never mentioned the PS5.

Doesn’t mean much since ps5 is supply constrained.
I quoted it 3 times and you're telling me he never mentioned it?

You can't read and there's no longer a need to continue coddling you here, you are just trying to create enough confusion so people think the posts you're making up exist, the post I responded to was not talking about the OP at all and was specifically about the leading SKU of the Xbox Series in general.

No, what you're trying to do is pretend like you never mention the last 3 quarters in North America when that's what the title of this thread says AND it was directly highlighted TWICE in your first post. You do every time I mention this.

You're just taking random sentences out of context and pretending there's a timeline that doesn't actually exist, or picking random users taking their sentences out of context who I wasn't even responding to on that subject.

Just like you were wrong when you jumped into the conversation and brought up the PS5 when we were talking about the Series S SPECIFICALLY, which is why I brought up the Series S myth in the first place, and then you pretended that didn't happen when you shifted your posts to the Series S afterward, so you've already proven you don't read before you jump into a conversation. Now you're trying to pretend none of this happened, and are going back to the OP, yet the conversation was about bringing up the S as the leading consoles which is what I was responding to before you jumped in.

I wasn't wrong. The topic is about how Microsoft won the last 3 quarters and he said the PS5 has supply issues. You replied by saying So does the Xbox Series X and I told you that you ignored the Xbox Series S. I didn't drop the Xbox Series S from the conversation. You're literally trying to tell me that you

You're desperately trying, and failing, to push BS and erase posts and pretend some invisible poster was referring to the OP, and you keep quoting what I said in the OP, which had nothing to do with his post, or what I responded with, nothing.

No ones falling for it so there's no point in even pretending you even have an argument. Read properly next time before diving into a conversation, instead of trying to change what happened because you messed up. Just some advice.
I don't need to be desperate or erase posts. Many people here are talking about MS winning the last 3 quarters in NA but you want to say, "No, this topic is about the entire generation."

Here's some advice: Don't make a topic that's about the last 3 quarters in North America and then complain when people talk about it.
 

ReBurn

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Lets look at it objectively though- it really shows to me that the vast majority of console gamers will buy not based on power. If PS5 is available it will sell. If Series X is available it sells. Series S is widely available and people just don't really give a damn about resolution or frame rate, so it is selling real well. Just look at Switch sales as proof of that.
This reminds me of the "Series S is selling so well because nobody wants it" meme we had going here during the holidays. Good times!
 

MacReady13

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This reminds me of the "Series S is selling so well because nobody wants it" meme we had going here during the holidays. Good times!
I'll put it this way- for myself, I care for power and resolution and frame rates. For me the Series X is the way to go. My kids are not even concerned with stuff like that. They want to play Minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite etc... and don't see frame rates and resolution as any type of issue. Series S would be the console I would buy for them (although having no disc drive is a bit of a turn off especially since I have purchased a few physical games for them).
 

DarkMage619

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In all fairness, the difference between both consoles using your eyeballs is basically not noticeable. You need 4x zoom or framegraphs to tell the difference (excluding the few outliers). The majority of console gamers could not give a crap. They just want to play what they are familiar with.
My friend recently got an XSS for him and his kids and the first thing he said was "these games look amazing!" The opinions of some of the biggest XSS detractors here are thankful not the majority. It's great gamers have a multitude of console options at prices people can afford. More people gaming is good for the industry some of us love.
 

ReBurn

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My friend recently got an XSS for him and his kids and the first thing he said was "these games look amazing!" The opinions of some of the biggest XSS detractors here are thankful not the majority. It's great gamers have a multitude of console options at prices people can afford. More people gaming is good for the industry some of us love.
Oh I agree. I just don't know if I agree with the general notion that people will pay hundreds for a video game console simply because it's the one that's available. I just can't see someone saying "I really want a PS5, but I can't find one so I guess I have to buy this Series console" or the other way around. Consoles are toys. It's not like there is a downside to waiting to buy why you want. But I guess for some people it's something they can't live without.

The Series S has proven itself to be a solid utility player and a good fit for a lot of people. I got one for free after I bought my PS5 and XSX and it's great for what it is. I spend a lot of time with it despite also having the more powerful boxes upstair so I can understand why the average person would like it.
 
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MikeM

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My friend recently got an XSS for him and his kids and the first thing he said was "these games look amazing!" The opinions of some of the biggest XSS detractors here are thankful not the majority. It's great gamers have a multitude of console options at prices people can afford. More people gaming is good for the industry some of us love.
Agreed. People need to understand that everything is relative and based on user cases. For example, people coming from a base One S to a Series S will see a difference.

I can say that a Series S is not for me. Now, for my four year old? Absolutely. Thinking of buying one for her actually and keeping it attached to my 1440p PC monitor.
 
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It's really great to see how Microsoft and Phil Spencer have turned the Xbox brand around.
Everyone in gaming should be happy to see this. If you arnt happy, then you need to have a deep look inside yourself.

So many people wrote of Xbox. Microsoft were going to shut it down. No way MS was going to spend money on it, Xbox would only have what profit it made to reinvest.
Now one generation later we have Xbox outselling Playstation in key markets. We have MS with the more powerful console. Xbox has far more studios and first party resources than Sony have. Xbox Gamepass has changed the industry and Sony by their own admission are 5 years and hundreds of millions of dollars away from being able to replicate it.
Then we have Sony playing catch up and spending investment money on buying PC porting studios to bring their games to PC, instead of that money going into new IP development. Meanwhile MS has rolled in PC and xbox development into to the same dev kit making it super simple for developers.

Now of course none of this spells doom for Sony. The PS will still sell millions and Sony will continue to invest in it.
But all the hard work and decisions made by MS have paid off.
 
It's really great to see how Microsoft and Phil Spencer have turned the Xbox brand around.
Everyone in gaming should be happy to see this. If you arnt happy, then you need to have a deep look inside yourself.

So many people wrote of Xbox. Microsoft were going to shut it down. No way MS was going to spend money on it, Xbox would only have what profit it made to reinvest.
Now one generation later we have Xbox outselling Playstation in key markets. We have MS with the more powerful console. Xbox has far more studios and first party resources than Sony have. Xbox Gamepass has changed the industry and Sony by their own admission are 5 years and hundreds of millions of dollars away from being able to replicate it.
Then we have Sony playing catch up and spending investment money on buying PC porting studios to bring their games to PC, instead of that money going into new IP development. Meanwhile MS has rolled in PC and xbox development into to the same dev kit making it super simple for developers.

Now of course none of this spells doom for Sony. The PS will still sell millions and Sony will continue to invest in it.
But all the hard work and decisions made by MS have paid off.

I think Xbox currently has great potential, but they have been making idiotic choice after idiotic choice. They buy up all these companies, produce very little of any value with them (thus far, but that is only fair given the timeframe of when they were bought and how far into development their games already were or what just released), continue to focus on cancerous GAAS design, completely and utterly fail to manage their flagship IP (Halo), keep teasing games that are 4-7 years out, and have on at least two occasions, shown that their games CANNOT be played OFFLINE. Which is absolutely fucking asinine and regressive.

I want to see more games like Gears Tactics and less Halo Infinite. Games that are great, standalone experiences that don’t need to be tied to online infrastructures, pointless and manipulative MTX design, or always online connectivity. The OG Xbox and first half of the 360 are still the best the brand has ever been and I want to see that return. But I genuinely don’t think the current leadership is worth a damn - unless they have a lot of stuff int he works that will blow me away.
 

truth411

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So all these people buying Xboxes are going to abandon the ecosystem once PS5s are more readily available? What an idiotic take. Every Xbox sold where a PS5 is not brings the install base closer together. That means everything.
This isn't hard. What I'm saying is that who ever produces more will sale more, that's all there is to it because supply have not met demand. The "All these Xboxes" are mostly Series S that's easier to produce and thus more available for the past few months. PS5s are still sold out, thus any boasting of sale numbers are indicating a Supply problem NOT a lack of Consumer Demand incomparison to its competition. This is Basic Economics.
 
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