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[GHG]

Can't deny it is unorthodox and shady as hell that these agencies are shilling so hard for Sony. Corrupt as hell.

Forget to switch accounts?

 

[jm89]

In the same way Sony was in a unique position to spend Sega out of business? What's the deal with these threads lately?

Put it on ignore if it bothers you.

 

[Hendrick's]

Forget to switch accounts?

Prove I have an alt and I will give you what you really want. You are obviously obsessed with me.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yeah. I just feel like if we were looking at all of Sony’s internal emails we’d all be surprised at what we saw, too. So we’re really just putting Msoft under the microscope because we’re being shown all these emails written multiple years ago.

We got a taste in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit and it was juicy. They REALLY didn’t want crossplay to become popular.

 

[Dane]

You clearly don't understand how this works.

There is nothing against saying you're going to push the competition out by outperforming them.

Pushing them out by buying them out? That's when regulators get involved.

I mean, I'm sure you understand the difference and you're being purposefully obtuse...

Difference of what? That's what can do with the extra money they have, big entertainment companies like Disney, Paramount and Warner got a massive fast growth on their subscription services because of their money and IP arsenal + removing content from Netflix in a blink of an eye. Its nothing new in the industry

 

[GHG]

Prove I have an alt and I will give you what you really want. You are obviously obsessed with me.

Hey I'm just asking you if you like talking to yourself.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

In the same way Sony was in a unique position to spend Sega out of business? What's the deal with these threads lately?

Not sure that Sony significantly outspent Sega at any point.

Sega manufactured their own hurdles namely by releasing a lot of hardware in short succession and alienating 3rd party developers.

Seems like revisionist history here.

 

[Hendrick's]

Hey I'm just asking you if you like talking to yourself.

It's the only way to have an intelligent conversation around here.

 

[LordCBH]

We got a taste in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit and it was juicy. They REALLY didn’t want crossplay to become popular.

To be fair, Microsoft didn’t either until it benefitted them to change the stance for PR reasons.

I’m really glad it is a thing now though

 

[nowhat]

Can't deny it is unorthodox and shady as hell that these agencies are shilling so hard for Sony. Corrupt as hell.

Protip: when you find yourself quoting yourself, stop posting.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Difference of what? That's what can do with the extra money they have, big entertainment companies like Disney, Paramount and Warner got a massive fast growth on their subscription services because of their money and IP arsenal + removing content from Netflix in a blink of an eye. Its nothing new in the industry

LOL, that's literally the purpose of antitrust regulation.

They owned their content, they didn't buy significant content to remove from Netflix. The biggest purchase they let through was Disney buying Fox and even that faced regulators and criticism.

 

[Hendrick's]

Protip: when you find yourself quoting yourself, stop posting.

Nah, I'm good. Thanks for your concern.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Ooof.. caught with the hand in the cookie jar.

Outspend yet still get outsold. Doesn't that say more about the power of Sony, that despite Microsoft having more money they have the industry weight of being bigger in ratio to gain better deals?

Of course not. The only results you have from Bethesda's acquisition are HiFi Rush and Redfall which are small fry. You can only infer the results of that acquisition when they get Starfield, Doom and Wolfenstein out for xbox and not playstation.

 

[Kdad]

Huh. I guess nobody told the Xbox folks (at MS) that the only reason the Windows OS monopoly was allowed and exported to the ROW was because it gave the USGovt a backdoor into foreign offices. There's no such card here for a gaming console.

There isn't? You don't think Putin's grandkids are xbox шоколадное молоко дети?

 

[DForce]

The same email again... from 2019 (neither Bethesda nor Zenimax were an option) Anyone who stops to read it can see that it is only describing the business opportunity in the face of the competition... Goggle was lagging behind, Amazon showed no intention of entering the market and it highlights how Sony is the great competition...

That the CMA and the IP judge herself already knew about it and did not take it into account should say everything.

Because they believed making games exclusive wouldn't hurt Sony..

THey did in fact say Microsoft could make xcloud games exclusive which would hurt competition.

 

[ToadMan]

Yeah. I just feel like if we were looking at all of Sony’s internal emails we’d all be surprised at what we saw, too. So we’re really just putting Msoft under the microscope because we’re being shown all these emails written multiple years ago.

MS is the one trying to buy ABK and doing it against the wishes of regulators in their two major markets for xbox.

They could have just backed out and avoided this PR disaster - they chose to press on all the way to court.

We all have a right to know what the court process produces.

 

[Dane]

LOL, that's literally the purpose of antitrust regulation.

They owned their content, they didn't buy significant content to remove from Netflix. The biggest purchase they let through was Disney buying Fox and even that faced regulators and criticism.

99% of what Disney had to disinvest was stuff they didn't want in the first place and had to "own" because News Corp didn't find a buyer at the time or didn't want to be bothered with that, and the entire thing was towards TV channels because that's a regulated media by FCC.

 

[K2D]

This is going to end in a settlement at best, isn't it..?

I'm honestly more surprised that the EU didn't manage to find a reason to block this deal.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How many times has Phil face palmed and said the words..."God dammit booty!" ?

This guy.....

 

[Crayon]

DUDE.

How is anyone still cheering on this company? Is it not a red flag to anyone that era is constantly up ms' butt? You know? The forum that thinks amber heard should have won?

 

[DeepEnigma]

DUDE.

How is anyone still cheering on this company? Is it not a red flag to anyone that era is constantly up ms' butt? You know? The forum that thinks amber heard should have won?

The forum that pretends to be commies in drag. Ironic.

They do have Xbox influencers on their mod staff.

 

[NeonGhost]

Loose lips sink ships

 

[tmlDan]

Maybe the FTC will come to court wearing PS t-shirts this week. Last week it was console in hand and badgering MS to agree to deals with Sony. How much is Jim paying these clowns? The way they are working for Sony instead of consumers is baffling .

did you hit your head? what are you on about

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe the FTC will come to court wearing PS t-shirts this week. Last week it was console in hand and badgering MS to agree to deals with Sony. How much is Jim paying these clowns? The way they are working for Sony instead of consumers is baffling .

 

[Nydius]

DUDE.

How is anyone still cheering on this company? Is it not a red flag to anyone that era is constantly up ms' butt? You know? The forum that thinks amber heard should have won?

What I’ve never understood about their support of this is they have a not-insignificant number of members who proudly describe themselves as pro-labor anti-capitalists.

So why the hell would they be in favor of THIS, a mega merger, one of the biggest kinds of capitalist moves that almost always ends up harming labor down the line?!?

 

[nowhat]

I'm honestly more surprised that the EU didn't manage to find a reason to block this deal.

Not commenting on this deal in particular, but when it comes to the EU, it seems that it can either be very proactive when it comes to deals like the ABK merger. Or just ignore them altogether.

(And this is not about non-EU companies vs. EU companies, both can get hit with similar scrutiny. And sometimes they don't. I'm not saying it's bribery, may be just the bureaucrats sorting through all this shit, the human factor and all that.)

 

[DeepEnigma]

Topher
Remember the thread last week where the "email wasn't real?"

 

[lh032]

i find it very ironic that, Microsoft keep talking about games should be accessible to everyone, yet they kept mentioning about exclusivity....

 

[Represent.]

And people were laughing and giving JIM Ryan shit for trying his hardest to get this deal stopped. Acting like him and Sony should just lay down and let it go through without putting up a fight. I hope you realize how dumb that sounded now.

This whole "MS are the good guys" "Play everything, everywhere" Kumbaya nonsense is nothing but fluff.

 

[Darsxx82]

I think you're assuming she didn't take it into account in the people's case against microsoft means that she won't take it into account in the FTC's case against Microsoft.

I think you're jumping to conclusions

Of course, and the people who are saying that this email (which I remember is from 2019) is sufficient proof for the judge to decide against MS-ABK is not jumping to conclusions....

 

[jm89]

Well I'm ready for MS to dip out so we can get a different 3rd platform holder again.

 

[Kilau]

Loose lips sink ships

Flappy Bootys lose Call of Duties.

 

[Banjo64]

Topher
Remember the thread last week where the "email wasn't real?"

Yo adamsapple you kept saying you wanted to see the full un-redacted email before condemning Booty.

Well, here it is.

Have you been fed a line yet?

 

[Kilau]

Yo adamsapple you kept saying you wanted to see the full un-redacted email before condemning Booty.

Well, here it is.

Have you been fed a line yet?

 

[nowhat]

This whole "MS are the good guys" "Play everything, everywhere" Kumbaya nonsense is nothing but fluff.

I mean, I think you take things overboard sometimes. For which you have been (quite rightfully) banned.

...but I think you should change your name to "Testify!", because, preach brother.

 

[Banjo64]

Great stuff this, Booty is not coming off great I can only imagine what happens to him when/if this falls through.

You can’t separate Booty from Xbox as much as you want to. He is in the senior leadership team. The view he is repeating here is Xbox’s position. He’s not some rogue maniac.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This is going to end in a settlement at best, isn't it..?

I'm honestly more surprised that the EU didn't manage to find a reason to block this deal.

The EU doesn't block deals like this because they like to fine US tech companies for billions of dollars every violation. For EU, it's a revenue stream. They aren't going to jeopardize this valuable revenue stream by blocking future violations like this acquisition.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

And that, right there, is exactly why I’m against this merger and why everyone who can think critically should be as well.

Straight from the horse’s mouth: It’s never been about expanding gaming, it’s never been about better experiences for gamers, it’s ALWAYS been about Microsoft leveraging their vast finances to SHUT DOWN competitors.

Which is the absolute reason anti-trust laws exist.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Bootys are so good!


This booty....is a stinker!

 

[hinch7]

Microsoft being anticompetitive. And water is wet.

At least we can, the public see their true intentions as they air their dirty laundry out lol.

 

[SteelCurtain 59]

And people were laughing and giving JIM Ryan shit for trying his hardest to get this deal stopped. Acting like him and Sony should just lay down and let it go through without putting up a fight. I hope you realize how dumb that sounded now.

This whole "MS are the good guys" "Play everything, everywhere" Kumbaya nonsense is nothing but fluff.

Gamers who have access to Xbox First party games: Anybody with an Xbox, PC, or device with a web browser

Gamers who have access to Playstation First party games: Anybody with a Playstation, and some games at a later date on PC

Of all the things to bitch about you picked the category where Xbox is clearly the good guys.

 

[Snake29]

Phil sending out the influencers as we speak to change the narrative with

"What Matt really meant was"

Messaging.

 

[ulantan]

Somehow this will be spun as Sony's fault. I'm just trying to figure out the spin.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

You’re right that all corporations are scum and shouldn’t be regarded as our friends. But this is under the microscope because Microsoft is trying to make good on their plans of buying up the industry and regulators are looking into it, as they should.

As others have pointed out, the critical difference is Microsoft has more cash on hand than Sony’s entire company is worth. Or, put another way, Sony is worth 0.12T, Microsoft is worth $2.6T (or was the last report $2.8T?).

This email isn’t just scummy, it proves they’re leveraging that massive difference to stifle competition.

I've seen people talking about how is morally correct for Ms to buy as many studios as they want because they can't compete against Sony in the "high end consoles market"
Like it was some sort of David vs Goliath situation
Sony's market value is just 4,62% of Ms market value ffs

 

[pasterpl]

No lies detected.

 

[zeroluck]

Damn... sound like some book burning type shit, Microsoft is bad for gaming.

 

[Gobjuduck]

2019

really dont see the importance of this. Sony and Xbox would gladly kill each other, dont see how this is a suprise at all.

 

[nowhat]

Of all the things to bitch about you picked the category where Xbox is clearly the good guys.

When thinking about the ABK deal, previously: all platforms (well, perhaps not Switch). After: XBox and PC. So... everyone wins, right?

 

[envyzeal]

talk about emails that should've been a private meeting ffs how dumb can this guy be

 

[ChiefDada]

Yikes. The optic is bad. Really bad. Before I was thinking the email was more hyperbolic in nature. But no, the email is very detailed and methodical. And that word "spend" is the real stinger. Forget about the gaming industry, this type of language should've been banned decades ago under Microsoft's internal corporate policies, considering their history with regulators. Regardless of whether you're for or against the merger, there is no logical defense or reasoning for this.