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Does Microsoft share gamepass data (for every game, downloads, time spent, money spent, maintenance, acquiring new games, playtime, "market penetration", marketshare etc.) with him (NPD) or how does he come to said conclusion?
They have been tracking digital for a long time and it seems like only Nintendo and a couple other holdouts don't share.How would NPD know? Digital sales aren't shared with them by any manufacturer last I heard.
Because when it comes to claims, even though there's two sides to every situation, the status quo side has the benefit of not needing to do anything. It's up to the side wanting to prove an effect or outcome to prove it's a game changer.I mean, how did he came to this conclusion that Game pass does not affect game sales? Such a statement needs evidence to back it up. Show us the receipts then. Since he is claiming this statement, he should back it up with data and show us how did he came to this conclusion.
What is the split in the US for Outriders and MLB the show?
From what we get from the UK sales threads, the opposite is true where multi platform games sell the majority on PS5 and the ratio have increased in favor of PlayStation since last gen.
I though Game pass is the best value in gaming and that you don't need to buy games ever again. Xbox userbase are happy to wait for games to come to Game pass. Yet now people are saying that Game pass increases games sales? Like which is it? You don't buy games or you buy games due to Game pass? I'm confused by this conflicting statement.
If Game Pass increases game sales then why don't all publishers put their games on Game pass day one? Surely they saw the numbers and don't want to leave money on the table (lol).
How would NPD know? Digital sales aren't shared with them by any manufacturer last I heard.
We need more data to arrive at more conclusive analysis.
I mean, how did he came to this conclusion that Game pass does not affect game sales? Such a statement needs evidence to back it up. Show us the receipts then. Since he is claiming this statement, he should back it up with data and show us how did he came to this conclusion.
Also they sell all that info. What they share publicly is only a small snippet of the information subscribers get, which is why we used to have better sales numbers and leaks until they actively went after subscribers who leaked the info.As for said evidence being put publicly, you guys need to keep in mind these are real people with real contracts and careers here. They'd need to coordinate agreements with multiple publishers to get permission to publish their numbers publicly, and they aren't going to do that to appease people on forums.
Sea of Thieves is only $20 on steam.
Also they sell all that info. What they share publicly is only a small snippet of the information subscribers get, why is why we used to have better sales numbers and leaks until they actively went after subscribers who leaked the info.
They aren't going to publicly release numbers that they give to paying subscribers, or they lose those subscribers.
I think he's talking about overall volume of sales.The Gears 5 tweet is damning and then you can couple that with sales data out of the UK and it does not paint a pretty picture.....
I mean, he can say what he likes but the data points to a very different picture than the one he is trying to assert.
UK charts of all 230 physical copies of videogames sold per week doesn’t mean anything. The fact that Gamepass is so popular on Xbox just tells you that Xbox is a platform where nobody buys physical.I mean, how did he came to this conclusion that Game pass does not affect game sales? Such a statement needs evidence to back it up. Show us the receipts then. Since he is claiming this statement, he should back it up with data and show us how did he came to this conclusion.
What is the split in the US for Outriders and MLB the show?
From what we get from the UK sales threads, the opposite is true where multi platform games sell the majority on PS5 and the ratio have increased in favor of PlayStation since last gen.
I though Game pass is the best value in gaming and that you don't need to buy games ever again. Xbox userbase are happy to wait for games to come to Game pass. Yet now people are saying that Game pass increases games sales? Like which is it? You don't buy games or you buy games due to Game pass? I'm confused by this conflicting statement.
If Game Pass increases game sales then why don't all publishers put their games on Game pass day one? Surely they saw the numbers and don't want to leave money on the table (lol).
And that makes sense. Xbox sales heavily skew to North America and UK. Places with decent internet and GP is more available to boot. Xbox has $1 deals and more recent gen games boosting GP.UK charts of all 230 physical copies of videogames sold per week doesn’t mean anything. The fact that Gamepass is so popular on Xbox just tells you that Xbox is a platform where nobody buys physical.
Makes sense. Have no idea how people have such a hard time seeing that the Xbox is pretty much a 100% digital console at this point.And that makes sense. Xbox sales heavily skew to North America and UK. Places with decent internet and GP is more available to boot. Xbox has $1 deals and more recent gen games boosting GP.
PS is different. It has wider scope of countries it's popular in and many of those countries have sketchy internet. Also, PS Now is in fewer countries than GP. So for subscription gamers, more Xbox gamers in more countries have choice to do either discs or go digital.
No doubt the typical PS gamer globally is more inclined to go disc vs. digital.
UK charts of all 230 physical copies of videogames sold per week doesn’t mean anything. The fact that Gamepass is so popular on Xbox just tells you that Xbox is a platform where nobody buys physical.
Because when it comes to claims, even though there's two sides to every situation, the status quo side has the benefit of not needing to do anything. It's up to the side wanting to prove an effect or outcome to prove it's a game changer.
It's like in court.
If a neighbour claims the guy beside him stole his lawnmower, the default verdict is nothing is going to happen unless he can prove he stole it. The default judgement isn't the guy is guilty and it's up to him to prove he didn't.
Your whole post made no sense.I think the rumors is that Gamepass subs are around 23 million users? Those numbers are split between Xbox 360, Xbox one, Xbox Series X, and PC . Those 23 million users are small compared to the overall Xbox users base.
So this doesn't explain the huge split in game sales. Also, if you want to speculate regarding digital sales, the PS split would still be higher than Xbox due to the shear amount of console sales difference.
I think the huge difference in software split is because of the combination of console userbase and Game pass changing the Xbox userbase spending habits.
Your whole post made no sense.
^ Someone could say that some people think that water is dry, doesn't mean it is something that exists very consistently.
I don't think there could be many individuals that flipped through the GP catalog and thought that was all the software available on Xbox.
@ yazenov GP isn't a thing on Xbox 360, so you'll need to scratch that one from your list.
The burden of proof is on MS to convince publishers to put their Games on Game pass day one. And from the look of things, they are not doing a successful job at convincing them. The two large multplatfrom games are Outriders and MLB the show? That is all I can think of at the moment.
Sony is the one doing work securing timed exclusives left and right.
Timed (or full) exclusives, or to include a game on Gamepass/PS Now/PS Plus/Gold (day one or not) depends on how much do they pay to compensate the related lost sales, if it's enough for the publisher/dev.The burden of proof is on MS to convince publishers to put their Games on Game pass day one. And from the look of things, they are not doing a successful job at convincing them. The two large multplatfrom games are Outriders and MLB the show? That is all I can think of at the moment.
Sony is the one doing work securing timed exclusives left and right.
What is your point there? That Sony is out writing bigger checks or what? Timed exclusive (but paid from day one) and day on on a subscription are different things. MS has just started to dip its toes into that water recently, let's let some more time pass before we make any big assumptions there. LOL
Or maybe go post in the kids section or something. You sound like you never went to school.Sorry next time i'll dumb it down to match your level of logic.
My point is that Publishers saw the numbers and would rather take the Sony deal for timed exclusive since the majority of software sales will be on Playstation anyways, so the money gotten from Sony will more than make up for the potential lost sales on Xbox. Then a year later, they might put their game on Game Pass after getting paid by MS to put their game on the service.
Its a win win if Pubs get paid twice
Another point money hatts not withstanding, If MS convinced pubs that Game Pass increases game sales, they would have put their games on the service day one of launch. This is not the case as of yet with the majority of multi platform games not releasing on Game pass day one.